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2 hours ago, Sachin200 said:

Air Deccan e-ticketing policy Ani someone wrote a blog , WhatsApp lo circulating 

For the next couple of decades or so, whenever I travelled by air, air tickets meant a booklet of multiple pages each leaf of which could be for one leg of the journey and with one copy left behind for the passenger. These booklets had self-carbon (with the back of each page enabled to copy contents onto the next one) mechanism and could be either handwritten or printed through typewriters or printers. The International Air Travel Association (IATA) supplied these booklets to airlines in its network and being printed on specialised paper these booklets cost US$9 per ticket. Air travel was a luxury till about 2 decades ago and a colourful paper booklet added to the aura of such a journey, starting with the ticket itself. Last of the paper booklet tickets were printed and used by IATA and airlines a decade ago in 2008 after which airlines switched en-masse to e-ticketing enabled over the web. 

Credit for saving INR 600 (in today’s US$ exchange rates) on every Indian airline ticket surely goes to Air Deccan. When it launched operations in 2003, Air Deccan introduced several novel features in its flights. Tickets could be booked over the phone and a printout of it collected from Air Deccan’s kiosk at the airport. Initially passengers could sit anywhere within the aircraft and would be given no free food or drink (and even cotton earplugs) with the air hostesses doubling up as salespersons selling food and merchandise; the air hostesses also had to retrieve trash from passengers and save the airline cost of housekeeping crew as also time required for cleaning an aircraft after its journey. Passengers travelling by Air Deccan would have to walk to the aircraft instead of being chaperoned on airline’s bus and had to repeat such journey on arriving at the destination. Its many innovations helped Air Deccan save costs which it passed onto passengers who could get really cheap air tickets and enabled the common man to fly, as envisioned by its founder Captain Gopinath. Air Deccan’s e-ticketing was soon copied by other Indian airlines and in 2017 the only tickets available in India like elsewhere in the world are e-tickets. 

That’s the whole story of sabotage.

Back in those days, airline ticket used to be a booklet with duplicate and triplicate. Like old time credit card machine.

To save costs, world span technologies and Interglobe entered the market and Air Deccan was the first customer...

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33 minutes ago, Pappu_Packitmaar said:

That’s the whole story of sabotage.

Back in those days, airline ticket used to be a booklet with duplicate and triplicate. Like old time credit card machine.

To save costs, world span technologies and Interglobe entered the market and Air Deccan was the first customer...

Good one though  ( e-ticket )

Naresh goyal ( jet airways ) ki D-conpany investments undevi anta ga . But government did not took any firm action thought 

Eedu kooda kotha airline company tho vastadu antunaru

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1 minute ago, Sachin200 said:

Good one though  ( e-ticket )

Naresh goyal ( jet airways ) ki D-conpany investments undevi anta ga . But government did not took any firm action thought 

Eedu kooda kotha airline company tho vastadu antunaru

Yeah, E-ticket was a good initiative back then which later became a norm and is now a standard.

Naresh Goyal’s Jet is a benami of D batch ani antaru...eedi mida laundering allegations vundevi and May be it’s true...Goyal’s prime business was completely based out of gulf and 90’s lo major investment was from gulf and mostly D mafia money..

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41 minutes ago, Sachin200 said:

Good one though  ( e-ticket )

Naresh goyal ( jet airways ) ki D-conpany investments undevi anta ga . But government did not took any firm action thought 

Eedu kooda kotha airline company tho vastadu antunaru

 

33 minutes ago, Pappu_Packitmaar said:

Yeah, E-ticket was a good initiative back then which later became a norm and is now a standard.

Naresh Goyal’s Jet is a benami of D batch ani antaru...eedi mida laundering allegations vundevi and May be it’s true...Goyal’s prime business was completely based out of gulf and 90’s lo major investment was from gulf and mostly D mafia money..

Rumors ante because Jet went down during BJpaa regime but Kingfisher and Jet airways were the best in class before they went down for similar reasons high debt and interest rates. Indian government M gudipinayi ee airlines mi. Ultimately  carriers made money on international routes only.

Indian government regulation has not helped in facilitating a competitive international environment, maintaining a 5/20 rule until only recently. This rule stipulated that an airline must be flying a domestic fleet of at least 20 aircraft and have been operating for a minimum of five years before it can begin international flights. Of course, with hugely increasing domestic demand, this has led to a flooding of supply from low-cost domestic carriers. The Indian domestic passenger market is very price-sensitive, and so margins remained very low. kingfisher and Jet airways lost in this mad rush

When companies raise cash to expand they can either look to debt or equity markets. when Kingfishers financial situation began to worsen, the airline was forced to convert some of its debt to preference shares. The airline saw a rapid erosion of its equity value, and in such a situation, if the company has no value, then raising cash through loans and debt will endure crippling interest rates. That is what happened to Kingfisher, but not before the company took out a loan with their brand value as collateral. An unusual step certainly, but catastrophic when the loan was valued at three times the valuation of the company.

the airline could not keep up with high-interest payments on the debt, and after failing to receive support from the government in the form of fuel and tax reductions.

 

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9 minutes ago, hyperbole said:

 

Rumors ante but Kingfisher and Jet airways were the best in class before they went down. Indian government M gudipinayi ee airlines mi. Ultimately  carriers made money on international routes only.

Indian government regulation has not helped in facilitating a competitive international environment, maintaining a 5/20 rule until only recently. This rule stipulated that an airline must be flying a domestic fleet of at least 20 aircraft and have been operating for a minimum of five years before it can begin international flights. Of course, with hugely increasing domestic demand, this has led to a flooding of supply from low-cost domestic carriers. The Indian domestic passenger market is very price-sensitive, and so margins remained very low. kingfisher and Jet airways lost in this mad rush

When companies raise cash to expand they can either look to debt or equity markets. when Kingfishers financial situation began to worsen, the airline was forced to convert some of its debt to preference shares. The airline saw a rapid erosion of its equity value, and in such a situation, if the company has no value, then raising cash through loans and debt will endure crippling interest rates. That is what happened to Kingfisher, but not before the company took out a loan with their brand value as collateral. An unusual step certainly, but catastrophic when the loan was valued at three times the valuation of the company.

the airline could not keep up with high-interest payments on the debt, and after failing to receive support from the government in the form of fuel and tax reductions.

 

But ED question chesindhi ga Naresh Goyal ni in March 

ED raids ex-Jet Airways chief Naresh Goyal's residence, statement recorded

Naresh Goyal was summoned for questioning at the ED office where he was questioned for around four hours and then taken to his Mumbai residence by ED officials around 9 pm.

 
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22 minutes ago, hyperbole said:

 

Rumors ante because Jet went down during BJpaa regime but Kingfisher and Jet airways were the best in class before they went down for similar reasons high debt and interest rates. Indian government M gudipinayi ee airlines mi. Ultimately  carriers made money on international routes only.

Indian government regulation has not helped in facilitating a competitive international environment, maintaining a 5/20 rule until only recently. This rule stipulated that an airline must be flying a domestic fleet of at least 20 aircraft and have been operating for a minimum of five years before it can begin international flights. Of course, with hugely increasing domestic demand, this has led to a flooding of supply from low-cost domestic carriers. The Indian domestic passenger market is very price-sensitive, and so margins remained very low. kingfisher and Jet airways lost in this mad rush

When companies raise cash to expand they can either look to debt or equity markets. when Kingfishers financial situation began to worsen, the airline was forced to convert some of its debt to preference shares. The airline saw a rapid erosion of its equity value, and in such a situation, if the company has no value, then raising cash through loans and debt will endure crippling interest rates. That is what happened to Kingfisher, but not before the company took out a loan with their brand value as collateral. An unusual step certainly, but catastrophic when the loan was valued at three times the valuation of the company.

the airline could not keep up with high-interest payments on the debt, and after failing to receive support from the government in the form of fuel and tax reductions.

 

Market conditions are completely different, Indian civil aviation is tougher and competitive ones compared to other countries. until mid 2000's, it was a luxury category. Either you claim government's policies or nature of mindset or high interest rates or fuel prices but overall a good market but needed a tailor made solution rather than just a copy paste model from other countries. This is what it has happened. Its a volume based business than per seat based business. You need to fly more and more people to make margin money, kind of what Indigo and Spicejet do, something what Deccan used to do.

Jet, Kingfisher indeed were best in class but Indian skies did not had the market for these best in class services or perhaps, in the entire south east Asia which was evident in later years.

If not for Etihad, Jet would have collapsed long back. Etihad wanted to be a player and Jet was a strategic partner in their plan. 

 

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Before Jet and Sahara, there was ModiLuft which wrapped up services as well..

then Sahara..then Jet..Kingfisher..

Spicejet collapsed almost twice but rescued later, thanks to political interventions.

Only Low cost carriers and Ultra Low cost will survive the Indian market...any policy by the government will only make this category attractive but regular flying is now thing of a past...

 

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40 minutes ago, Pappu_Packitmaar said:

Market conditions are completely different, Indian civil aviation is tougher and competitive ones compared to other countries. until mid 2000's, it was a luxury category. Either you claim government's policies or nature of mindset or high interest rates or fuel prices but overall a good market but needed a tailor made solution rather than just a copy paste model from other countries. This is what it has happened. Its a volume based business than per seat based business. You need to fly more and more people to make margin money, kind of what Indigo and Spicejet do, something what Deccan used to do.

Jet, Kingfisher indeed were best in class but Indian skies did not had the market for these best in class services or perhaps, in the entire south east Asia which was evident in later years.

If not for Etihad, Jet would have collapsed long back. Etihad wanted to be a player and Jet was a strategic partner in their plan. 

 

Uncle u type all this from ur phone or lappy?

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2 hours ago, Pappu_Packitmaar said:

Market conditions are completely different, Indian civil aviation is tougher and competitive ones compared to other countries. until mid 2000's, it was a luxury category. Either you claim government's policies or nature of mindset or high interest rates or fuel prices but overall a good market but needed a tailor made solution rather than just a copy paste model from other countries. This is what it has happened. Its a volume based business than per seat based business. You need to fly more and more people to make margin money, kind of what Indigo and Spicejet do, something what Deccan used to do.

Jet, Kingfisher indeed were best in class but Indian skies did not had the market for these best in class services or perhaps, in the entire south east Asia which was evident in later years.

If not for Etihad, Jet would have collapsed long back. Etihad wanted to be a player and Jet was a strategic partner in their plan. 

 

Etihad was initially trying to partner with king fisher , but govt didn’t allow the merger at that time  . Once kingfisher closed they said mergers are allowed with foreign carriers and they had to partner with jet airways with no other options available 

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27 minutes ago, nokia123 said:

Etihad was initially trying to partner with king fisher , but govt didn’t allow the merger at that time  . Once kingfisher closed they said mergers are allowed with foreign carriers and they had to partner with jet airways with no other options available 

Sagamu daridramu my Indian GOV..a lot of dumbfcks there, they can never be competitive in international domain, all this jumla baazi will be limited to domestic only. Aa latkoor praful patel gade reason for the deal not happening 

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Cinema lo elevation kosam chesaru kaani.. Final ga financial issues ochinappudu vijay Mallya gaadi kingfisher loke kalipesaru. He knew it from before mallya was not planning to continue his poor man flying vision. Aa tarvatha evo charter ventures loki digaru but ekkada click avaledu.

 

One thing I noticed was Deccan air idea pakkana pedithe. Jet airways vaadu seriously domestic flying lo premium experience penchadu. Indigo spicejet were no way near. If you really had that extra money to fly Jet was totally worth it. BLR - HYD indigo/sjet around 1800-2200 charge cheste Jet was charging 3000 aa 800 extra pay cheygaligithe you were in a bigger flight, free in flight meal (almost international flights lo Iche snack level) and reduced flying time. But India lo aa 800 chuse chala mandi drop avtharu 

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9 hours ago, jamesbond said:

Cinema lo elevation kosam chesaru kaani.. Final ga financial issues ochinappudu vijay Mallya gaadi kingfisher loke kalipesaru. He knew it from before mallya was not planning to continue his poor man flying vision. Aa tarvatha evo charter ventures loki digaru but ekkada click avaledu.

 

One thing I noticed was Deccan air idea pakkana pedithe. Jet airways vaadu seriously domestic flying lo premium experience penchadu. Indigo spicejet were no way near. If you really had that extra money to fly Jet was totally worth it. BLR - HYD indigo/sjet around 1800-2200 charge cheste Jet was charging 3000 aa 800 extra pay cheygaligithe you were in a bigger flight, free in flight meal (almost international flights lo Iche snack level) and reduced flying time. But India lo aa 800 chuse chala mandi drop avtharu 

Domestic emo kani Jet vadi international so so ne. Moreover, due to indigo and SpiceJet, India lo domestic level flying is no more a luxury, rather it became a necessity. 45-1.5 hr journeys lo experience em chustaru Inka train or bus badulu flight faster ani velle vallu laga aipoindi. TBH some destinations ki aite flights are cheaper than bus

Now that  Jet airways is planning to come back with a new owner chudali etla chestaro Valla new pricing and services etc. 

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32 minutes ago, Dippindots said:

People are more generous now compared to previous 2 decades 

Haha ya atleast public institution wise I think. Avunu inthaki vadu initial scenes lo tent lo enduku unnadu nak ardham kaale 

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