11_MohanReddy Posted May 13 Report Posted May 13 2 hours ago, DonnyStrumpet said: Total 5th gen air crafts: USA has 1150 China has 200 Russia has 20 India 0 Pakistan 0 So, Pakistan will get around 25 fifth generation aircraft’s delivered in 2027. Chinese mfs will be delivering this. Also Turkey is developing one called KAAN. It will be ready by 2030. Turkey will probably deploy this on behalf of pakis. India will not have a fifth generation until 2030 at the earliest. We never placed a single order so far. WTF!!! My question is. What will we do from 2027 to 2030 if there is a full blown war? They can play football with us after 2027. Our Rafaels are 4.5. There are already reports that Rafaels are potentially vulnerable. Again it’s subject to debate. But Stock market doesn’t lie. Rafael stock has been going down. It lost around 10% in 5 days. It’s not a coincidence by any means. Is it? Ticker is DUAVF....see for yourself Quote
Android_Halwa Posted May 13 Report Posted May 13 19 minutes ago, citizenofIND said: Edge Lo unna ne lanto lang@ gallu gap Dorikithe ne amm@ ni 10gatiniki ready ga untaru. Andhuke basic level tho maintain chesthunna. i don’t take support like to u to hit. Amma ni 10getodivi nuvu kada ? Theatre la amma ni 10getodivi….niku support kavalamma…you need experts like dasari… Quote
DonnyStrumpet Posted May 13 Author Report Posted May 13 1 hour ago, 11_MohanReddy said: Ticker is DUAVF....see for yourself Okay, it’s approximately 8% in 5 days. Quote
CanadianMalodu Posted May 13 Report Posted May 13 14 hours ago, DonnyStrumpet said: Total 5th gen air crafts: USA has 1150 China has 200 Russia has 20 India 0 Pakistan 0 So, Pakistan will get around 25 fifth generation aircraft’s delivered in 2027. Chinese mfs will be delivering this. Also Turkey is developing one called KAAN. It will be ready by 2030. Turkey will probably deploy this on behalf of pakis. India will not have a fifth generation until 2030 at the earliest. We never placed a single order so far. WTF!!! My question is. What will we do from 2027 to 2030 if there is a full blown war? They can play football with us after 2027. Our Rafaels are 4.5. There are already reports that Rafaels are potentially vulnerable. Again it’s subject to debate. But Stock market doesn’t lie. Rafael stock has been going down. It lost around 10% in 5 days. It’s not a coincidence by any means. Is it? Fifth generation aircraft is NOT battle proven at all. It's being thrown around as Bizz words say like "BIG DATA". F35 itself is NOT battle proven. Even in Syria they didn't use it due to S400 batteries. Eventually stealth will come up. F35 is a total dud, if stealth breaks. It can't even dog fight. If batteries were able to counter stealth somehow, then it's game over. War is never going to be symmetrical going forward. Countries are deploying swarm of drones. Its difficult to counter drones even for fifth generation fighters. Quote
CanadianMalodu Posted May 13 Report Posted May 13 2 hours ago, jobkastalu said: S400 already detects fifth generation aircraft ani claim undi. Anduke China Vadu kuda konnademo to test their fifth generation against it lol This is true. S400 Syria lo deploy chesina time lo F35 ni bayatiki teeyaledhu. When they did they communicated it to Russia so that they turned off the S400 batteries. Quote
DonnyStrumpet Posted May 13 Author Report Posted May 13 10 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said: Fifth generation aircraft is NOT battle proven at all. It's being thrown around as Bizz words say like "BIG DATA". F35 itself is NOT battle proven. Even in Syria they didn't use it due S400 batteries. Eventually stealth will come up. . F35 is total dud, if stealth breaks. It can't even dog fight. If batteries were able to counter stealth somehow, then it's game over. War is never going to be symmetrical going forward. Countries are deploying swarm of drones. Its difficult to counter drones even for fifth generation fighters. Are you saying they are irrelevant? Why are the big players spending billions of dollars if that is the case. Are they all stupid? I sometimes wonder if our theories are just a coping mechanism to make feel good about ourselves. We are clearly lagging behind. Why can’t we just admit this and start focusing more on defense R and D atleast now. Quote
11_MohanReddy Posted May 13 Report Posted May 13 23 minutes ago, DonnyStrumpet said: Okay, it’s approximately 8% in 5 days. See the stock since march 1 Quote
DonnyStrumpet Posted May 13 Author Report Posted May 13 16 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said: Fifth generation aircraft is NOT battle proven at all. It's being thrown around as Bizz words say like "BIG DATA". F35 itself is NOT battle proven. Even in Syria they didn't use it due S400 batteries. Eventually stealth will come up. . F35 is total dud, if stealth breaks. It can't even dog fight. If batteries were able to counter stealth somehow, then it's game over. War is never going to be symmetrical going forward. Countries are deploying swarm of drones. It’s difficult to counter drones even for fifth generation fighters. Also Israel used fifth gen many times. Quote
DonnyStrumpet Posted May 13 Author Report Posted May 13 4 minutes ago, 11_MohanReddy said: See the stock since march Will do. Quote
Android_Halwa Posted May 13 Report Posted May 13 32 minutes ago, DonnyStrumpet said: Are you saying they are irrelevant? Why are the big players spending billions of dollars if that is the case. Are they all stupid? I sometimes wonder if our theories are just a coping mechanism to make feel good about ourselves. We are clearly lagging behind. Why can’t we just admit this and start focusing more on defense R and D atleast now. Like I said, its relevant now because there is no superior tech than stealth. But once if this tech gets challenged by anti-stealth tech, all these billions of dollars investment goes puff..! R and D…..it has been going on and last 30 years has yielded fruitful results. And now with private participation, products have started rolling out of assembly line already… 1 Quote
citizenofIND Posted May 13 Report Posted May 13 2 hours ago, Android_Halwa said: Amma ni 10getodivi nuvu kada ? Theatre la amma ni 10getodivi….niku support kavalamma…you need experts like dasari… Ne amm@ 10gataniki Dasari endhuku ra bad cow. My sperm leak. Neku Akkadi pani chesi pay check money vesthundhi. Quote
citizenofIND Posted May 13 Report Posted May 13 29 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said: Like I said, its relevant now because there is no superior tech than stealth. But once if this tech gets challenged by anti-stealth tech, all these billions of dollars investment goes puff..! R and D…..it has been going on and last 30 years has yielded fruitful results. And now with private participation, products have started rolling out of assembly line already… Ithe ms jawla ni pampu ra set avuthadi bad cow Quote
Android_Halwa Posted May 13 Report Posted May 13 9 minutes ago, citizenofIND said: Ne amm@ 10gataniki Dasari endhuku ra bad cow. My sperm leak. Neku Akkadi pani chesi pay check money vesthundhi. Good going….Karl Marx gadi range ki mella mella ga edugutunnav… Inka emi emi chesinav theatre la ? Quote
CanadianMalodu Posted May 13 Report Posted May 13 10 hours ago, DonnyStrumpet said: Are you saying they are irrelevant? Why are the big players spending billions of dollars if that is the case. Are they all stupid? I sometimes wonder if our theories are just a coping mechanism to make feel good about ourselves. We are clearly lagging behind. Why can’t we just admit this and start focusing more on defense R and D atleast now. US ops are different from that of India. US doctrine is "Power Projection" and employs "Shock & Awe", a rebranded Blitzkrieg. India is more into defending its own territorial integrity. So the needs are different. US pitches them to other countries as well. They will sell those jets and make monies and and, will exert control on military and trade. Works for a bloc like NATO. Advanced tech automatically doesn't mean you win. In WWII Hitler's Germany had the best Tanks, aka TIGERS. Communist USSR mass produced T35, which were way inferior to Tigers. They didn't mind loosing T35s in fight against Tigers. You know how it ended. Vietnam is another example. War prep and tech have always been asymmetrical. In a war of attrition, superior tech can be overwhelmed. Then there's a vast difference in military budgets of India and US. The gap is far too high. Even with Russia the priorities are very different. India's immediate need so to replace the existing aged MiG fleet, not a fancy fifth generation fighter. Let India build a indigenous fighter jet engine first. Quote
CanadianMalodu Posted May 13 Report Posted May 13 11 hours ago, DonnyStrumpet said: Also Israel used fifth gen many times. Many times where? Syria, Iran ? Those are mere testing grounds. They don't have advanced air defense systems, and their air force is in shambles. US used F35s in Syria during Obozo time as well. They didn't mess around S400 batteries. Quote
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