4 minutes ago, Jatka Bandi said:

You are quoting a unique case without delving into the factors of their choice. Do you know if their parents' last wish is not to see them in a compromised situation? Do you know they do not have a visa issue? You may call this case as "opportunity" but I see a case where it might be honoring the deceased parent. The parent had struggled his/her entire life, made sacrifices, to give his/her kid a life in the USA, not necessarily for that US life but for them to survive escaping a filthy, scam ridden, reservation based India. They see the kid's US life as an accomplishment of their life. So, because you want to get judgmental about the kid, the kid needs to travel to India risking everything? What is it outside dissing on the kid's parent's grave?

And because this came in the context of struggling to survive. The kid may not associate to India anymore as they lived overseas all their adult life. If they visit in such a compromised environment, they may never return to the USA and they may never survive in India compromising their ethics and compromising human rights.

My claim is that people have freedom and liberty. You decide your matters and let people decide their own matters.

I don't deny the individual choice & the freedom part. The survival part is where conditioning kicks in, as it falls more into "Opportunity part". Surviving is what a billion do in India on a daily basis. You may say, given a chance most would escape, sure but that's the "Opportunity part ", again.

Tell me, do you think any parent in his/her death bed would like to have opportunity cost as an excuse for not seeing/feeling their loved ones before their last breadth? I'd understand that, if that happens in a war zone or one is located in a territory with imminent physical or life threat.

9 minutes ago, CADNMALODU said:

I don't deny the individual choice & the freedom part. The survival part where is conditioning kicks in, it falls more into "Opportunity part". Surviving is what a billion do in India on a daily basis. You may say, given a chance most would escape, sure but that's the "Opportunity part ", again.

Tell me, do you think any parent in his/her death bed would like to have opportunity cost as an excuse for not seeing/feeling their loved ones before their last breadth? I'd understand that, if that happens in a war zone or one is located in a territory with imminent physical or life threat.

idiseyy anna...basically indentured labor system aypoyindhi H1b...slavery with illusion of freedom, best of both worlds for the slave owners

20 minutes ago, CADNMALODU said:

I don't deny the individual choice & the freedom part. The survival part is where conditioning kicks in, as it falls more into "Opportunity part". Surviving is what a billion do in India on a daily basis. You may say, given a chance most would escape, sure but that's the "Opportunity part ", again.

Tell me, do you think any parent in his/her death bed would like to have opportunity cost as an excuse for not seeing/feeling their loved ones before their last breadth? I'd understand that, if that happens in a war zone or one is located in a territory with imminent physical or life threat.

I do not agree. You call it conditioning but I call it individual choice. You may be ok with just breathing, but I do not feel like living without ethics and honor. For you my lifestyle may be opportunity. Set rules for yourself, not others.

Yes, I do think.

1 hour ago, Jatka Bandi said:

You are quoting a unique case without delving into the factors of their choice. Do you know if their parents' last wish is not to see them in a compromised situation? Do you know they do not have a visa issue? You may call this case as "opportunity" but I see a case where it might be honoring the deceased parent. The parent had struggled his/her entire life, made sacrifices, to give his/her kid a life in the USA, not necessarily for that US life but for them to survive escaping a filthy, scam ridden, reservation based India. They see the kid's US life as an accomplishment of their life. So, because you want to get judgmental about the kid, the kid needs to travel to India risking everything? What is it outside dissing on the kid's parent's grave?

And because this came in the context of struggling to survive. The kid may not associate to India anymore as they lived overseas all their adult life. If they visit in such a compromised environment, they may never return to the USA and they may never survive in India compromising their ethics and compromising human rights.

My claim is that people have freedom and liberty. You decide your matters and let people decide their own matters.

Nuvvu cheppedi nijam ee anna kani H1B unte eppatikina slave labour ee ga ikkada. Basic ga manaki two choices: India lo fresh air, basic human rights lekunda free ga batakadam. US lo avi anni unna second class citizen ga undadam. Lot of people choose 2nd option anna.

2 minutes ago, BatukuJeevi said:

Nuvvu cheppedi nijam ee anna kani H1B unte eppatikina slave labour ee ga ikkada. Basic ga manaki two choices: India lo fresh air, basic human rights lekunda free ga batakadam. US lo avi anni unna second class citizen ga undadam. Lot of people choose 2nd option anna.

India lo fresh air ledu, basic human rights levu, law ledu, value for life ledu, honor and dignity ledu. Think about it evvadanna eppudanna vachi nee meeda ooyochu, chokka pattukovachu. Evvadu emi cheyadu.

US lo GC ledu anna okka kaaranam tho baanisavi anukuntunnavu. But tell me how much is US offering you. Ninnu eppudanna insult chesinda? healthcare ivvaleda? lanchaalu adiginda? H1 gaadivani chokka pattukunda? Nee pillalani emanna chesinda?

People are free to choose and free to express. It is their individual choice at the end.

56 minutes ago, Jatka Bandi said:

I do not agree. You call it conditioning but I call it individual choice. You may be ok with just breathing, but I do not feel like living without ethics and honor. For you my lifestyle may be opportunity. Set rules for yourself, not others.

Yes, I do think.

Individual Choice can be a result of conditioning as well. I'm not debating if it's right or wrong. You're atleast using the right words now : "Individual Choice" instead of calling it "survival".

Again, I haven't set any rules for anyone.

2 minutes ago, Jatka Bandi said:

India lo fresh air ledu, basic human rights levu, law ledu, value for life ledu, honor and dignity ledu. Think about it evvadanna eppudanna vachi nee meeda ooyochu, chokka pattukovachu. Evvadu emi cheyadu.

US lo GC ledu anna okka kaaranam tho baanisavi anukuntunnavu. But tell me how much is US offering you. Ninnu eppudanna insult chesinda? healthcare ivvaleda? lanchaalu adiginda? H1 gaadivani chokka pattukunda? Nee pillalani emanna chesinda?

People are free to choose and free to express. It is their individual choice at the end.

Avi anni US lo jarugutunnai ga ippudu. lanchalu tappa anni avutunnai ga. Repu congress lo H1B bill petti lepestaru appudu manam return vellali ga?

1 hour ago, aratipandu said:

idiseyy anna...basically indentured labor system aypoyindhi H1b...slavery with illusion of freedom, best of both worlds for the slave owners

Adhe funny part. Even for citizens or GC holders freedom is an illusion. Taxes need to be paid. Yeah I agree, H1Bs ekkuva receiving end lo untaru.

Just now, BatukuJeevi said:

Avi anni US lo jarugutunnai ga ippudu. lanchalu tappa anni avutunnai ga. Repu congress lo H1B bill petti lepestaru appudu manam return vellali ga?

vellali. Neeku vunna choices lo nuvvu free ga choose chesukovadaniki vundi. India lo ala kaadu. Nee life nee control lo vundadu. And evi anni US lo jarugutunnai? Neeku health issue vunte, US neeku fukkat lo kuda treatment chestadi. India lo dabbulu kattina nirlaksham. India lo housing societies, colony presidents, edurinti uncle, andaru karens ee. Nuvvu ela bratakaalo cheptaru. Ikkada vundadu. Akkada chokka pattukuntaru, sulligaa antu casual ga galeez ga matladataaru. Ikkada speech pakkana pedithe, personal safety issues vundavu.

6 minutes ago, CADNMALODU said:

Individual Choice can be a result of conditioning as well. I'm not debating if it's right or wrong. You're atleast using the right words now : "Individual Choice" instead of calling it "survival".

Again, I haven't set any rules for anyone.

the meaning of survival changes on an individual level.

8 minutes ago, Jatka Bandi said:

the meaning of survival changes on an individual level.

We're going in circles again. When it comes to survival, you don't have much of a "choice". When you call it a choice, you could do it either way but chose to do it one way deliberately.

6 hours ago, Sundarpichal said:

@Android_Halwa @ARYA @JANASENA1 @BattalaSathi @kevinUsa @The_Mentalist @Rendu @Bhagath_Singh @ANNA_PLEASE_PETTU

@Assam_Bhayya chala develop ainaru anna desi aada ladies father sachina povadam ledu

Vellaru so emosthadi bro? Covid time lo 99% poledu so?

What diff it makes you saw in skype or real?

But velli raledu anuko adi yentha kastamo telidu, imagine their GC is current and about to get it and now this situation.

Evarikina povalane vuntadhi, we never know the situation that girls are going through, all we wish it wont happen to any near dear known ones.

14 minutes ago, ANNA_PLEASE_PETTU said:

Vellaru so emosthadi bro? Covid time lo 99% poledu so?

What diff it makes you saw in skype or real?

But velli raledu anuko adi yentha kastamo telidu, imagine their GC is current and about to get it and now this situation.

Evarikina povalane vuntadhi, we never know the situation that girls are going through, all we wish it wont happen to any near dear known ones.

Mee friend valla friend valla friend evaranna ilaa chesinaraa?

6 hours ago, Sundarpichal said:

vellu sachipothe evadu vastadu anna

Sachinanka evadu ostadu ani how we know and why we care. Andaram poyaka pyna velli kalavadame inka.

16 minutes ago, ANNA_PLEASE_PETTU said:

Vellaru so emosthadi bro? Covid time lo 99% poledu so?

What diff it makes you saw in skype or real?

But velli raledu anuko adi yentha kastamo telidu, imagine their GC is current and about to get it and now this situation.

Evarikina povalane vuntadhi, we never know the situation that girls are going through, all we wish it wont happen to any near dear known ones.

One last time chustavu bro malli chance radu. Ee year rakapote next year vastavu US leda thatha vellaka ravochu. GC current iythe AP already untundi ga.