Where did Kashmiriyat go when there was a genocide against Kashmiri Pandits?

[nallajamoon]

It has been said that Muslim martyrs will be rewarded with 72 virgins in heaven, or paradise. But a growing number of Quran scholars and Islamic theologians have contested its interpretation.

In the CNN special show “Why They Hate Us” in 2016, Canadian author and Quran scholar Irshad Manji said the word “virgin” in the Quran meant “raisin.”

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“Nowhere in the Quran does it promise 72 virgins, 70 virgins, 48 virgins. … The Arabic word for ‘virgin’ has been mistranslated. The original [word] that was used in the Quran was the word for raisin, not virgin. In other words, that martyrs would get raisins in heaven, not virgins,” Manji said.

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Likewise, New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof said “the Arabic language was born as a written language with the Koran, and there’s growing evidence that many of the words were Syriac or Aramaic.”

“The Koran says martyrs going to heaven will get ‘hur,’ and the word was taken by early commentators to mean ‘virgins,’ hence those 72 consorts. But in Aramaic, hur meant ‘white’ and was commonly used to mean ‘white grapes’,” Kristof said.

Christoph Luxenberg (pseudonym), a scholar who pioneered such research, said in an e-mail interview with Kristof that grapes made more sense in context because the Quran compares them to crystal and pearls and that paradise are described as abounding with fruit especially white grapes.

“But Muslim fundamentalists regard the Koran—every word of it—as God’s own language, and they have violently attacked freethinking scholars as heretics. So Muslim intellectuals have been intimidated, and Islam has often been transmitted by narrow-minded extremists,” Kristof said

[nallajamoon]

Just now, nallajamoon said:

It has been said that Muslim martyrs will be rewarded with 72 virgins in heaven, or paradise. But a growing number of Quran scholars and Islamic theologians have contested its interpretation.

In the CNN special show “Why They Hate Us” in 2016, Canadian author and Quran scholar Irshad Manji said the word “virgin” in the Quran meant “raisin.”

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“Nowhere in the Quran does it promise 72 virgins, 70 virgins, 48 virgins. … The Arabic word for ‘virgin’ has been mistranslated. The original [word] that was used in the Quran was the word for raisin, not virgin. In other words, that martyrs would get raisins in heaven, not virgins,” Manji said.

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Likewise, New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof said “the Arabic language was born as a written language with the Koran, and there’s growing evidence that many of the words were Syriac or Aramaic.”

“The Koran says martyrs going to heaven will get ‘hur,’ and the word was taken by early commentators to mean ‘virgins,’ hence those 72 consorts. But in Aramaic, hur meant ‘white’ and was commonly used to mean ‘white grapes’,” Kristof said.

Christoph Luxenberg (pseudonym), a scholar who pioneered such research, said in an e-mail interview with Kristof that grapes made more sense in context because the Quran compares them to crystal and pearls and that paradise are described as abounding with fruit especially white grapes.

“But Muslim fundamentalists regard the Koran—every word of it—as God’s own language, and they have violently attacked freethinking scholars as heretics. So Muslim intellectuals have been intimidated, and Islam has often been transmitted by narrow-minded extremists,” Kristof said

https://globalnation.inquirer.net/163694/raisins-not-virgins-quran-scholars-say

[Beardman]

1 minute ago, pottipotato said:

enthaina ra beardman, nuvvu koncham deeeeeeeeeeeeeeep ga aalochisthunnav.

naaku konni saarlu bhayam esthondi

are u muslim by birth? cheppu ra bhai. ee m gaallu emi peekuthaaru.

No

I am just exploring different views on various religions .

[nallajamoon]

1 minute ago, nallajamoon said:

It has been said that Muslim martyrs will be rewarded with 72 virgins in heaven, or paradise. But a growing number of Quran scholars and Islamic theologians have contested its interpretation.

In the CNN special show “Why They Hate Us” in 2016, Canadian author and Quran scholar Irshad Manji said the word “virgin” in the Quran meant “raisin.”

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“Nowhere in the Quran does it promise 72 virgins, 70 virgins, 48 virgins. … The Arabic word for ‘virgin’ has been mistranslated. The original [word] that was used in the Quran was the word for raisin, not virgin. In other words, that martyrs would get raisins in heaven, not virgins,” Manji said.

ADVERTISEMENT
Likewise, New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof said “the Arabic language was born as a written language with the Koran, and there’s growing evidence that many of the words were Syriac or Aramaic.”

“The Koran says martyrs going to heaven will get ‘hur,’ and the word was taken by early commentators to mean ‘virgins,’ hence those 72 consorts. But in Aramaic, hur meant ‘white’ and was commonly used to mean ‘white grapes’,” Kristof said.

Christoph Luxenberg (pseudonym), a scholar who pioneered such research, said in an e-mail interview with Kristof that grapes made more sense in context because the Quran compares them to crystal and pearls and that paradise are described as abounding with fruit especially white grapes.

“But Muslim fundamentalists regard the Koran—every word of it—as God’s own language, and they have violently attacked freethinking scholars as heretics. So Muslim intellectuals have been intimidated, and Islam has often been transmitted by narrow-minded extremists,” Kristof said

induke ra anedi chavatallara kastha chadavandi ani entha sepu heroines picturelu choosi sollu karchukotam kakunda

[pottipotato]

Just now, Chinna84 said:

Nuvvu medhaavi kadha ra - nee version seppu ra tharisthaamu!! 
 

Nee guddh@lo seppey antha dhammu lekapothe India/Hindus gurinchi kuda sollu kaburlu 10gamaaku ika paiana!! 

I care about justice in the current. 

if you have an argument that can convince me to listen to grievances of the past, I'm willing to listen.

but first you must get past your clown act. no one is going to take seriously what you say, when you talk like an insecure fcukng clown obsessing about things he doesn't have a clue about.

atleast learn something, anything before you open your mouth. hehe..

[nallajamoon]

ippudochi nenu muslim ani edvakandi ra. nenu upper caste hindu half pulka half kaapu already cheppa ikkada naa background gurinchi

[pottipotato]

1 minute ago, Beardman said:

No

I am just exploring different views on various religions .

ok

[Chinna84]

So basical ga, heaven ki 72 raisins kosam velthaarh but not for virgins ani kavi bhaavana ?? 
 

[pottipotato]

Just now, nallajamoon said:

ippudochi nenu muslim ani edvakandi ra. nenu upper caste hindu half pulka half kaapu already cheppa ikkada naa background gurinchi

time waste. veellu antha kalisi muslim ni reform chesthunnattu cutting.

mana religion lo reforms kay dikku ledhu akkada. vaalla badha vaalley padatharu 

[nallajamoon]

3 minutes ago, nallajamoon said:

It has been said that Muslim martyrs will be rewarded with 72 virgins in heaven, or paradise. But a growing number of Quran scholars and Islamic theologians have contested its interpretation.

In the CNN special show “Why They Hate Us” in 2016, Canadian author and Quran scholar Irshad Manji said the word “virgin” in the Quran meant “raisin.”

ADVERTISEMENT

“Nowhere in the Quran does it promise 72 virgins, 70 virgins, 48 virgins. … The Arabic word for ‘virgin’ has been mistranslated. The original [word] that was used in the Quran was the word for raisin, not virgin. In other words, that martyrs would get raisins in heaven, not virgins,” Manji said.

ADVERTISEMENT
Likewise, New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof said “the Arabic language was born as a written language with the Koran, and there’s growing evidence that many of the words were Syriac or Aramaic.”

“The Koran says martyrs going to heaven will get ‘hur,’ and the word was taken by early commentators to mean ‘virgins,’ hence those 72 consorts. But in Aramaic, hur meant ‘white’ and was commonly used to mean ‘white grapes’,” Kristof said.

Christoph Luxenberg (pseudonym), a scholar who pioneered such research, said in an e-mail interview with Kristof that grapes made more sense in context because the Quran compares them to crystal and pearls and that paradise are described as abounding with fruit especially white grapes.

“But Muslim fundamentalists regard the Koran—every word of it—as God’s own language, and they have violently attacked freethinking scholars as heretics. So Muslim intellectuals have been intimidated, and Islam has often been transmitted by narrow-minded extremists,” Kristof said

This also makes sense. 

Arab world lo dry fruits ekkuvaga tintaru including raisins and raisins are the sweetest of course. 

[nallajamoon]

2 minutes ago, Chinna84 said:

So basical ga, heaven ki 72 raisins kosam velthaarh but not for virgins ani kavi bhaavana ?? 
 

chadivavu kada adi kooda burraki ekka leda enti? evadu ra neeku visa ichindi 

[Beardman]

Just now, pottipotato said:

time waste. veellu antha kalisi muslim ni reform chesthunnattu cutting.

mana religion lo reforms kay dikku ledhu akkada. vaalla badha vaalley padatharu 

YES MAN

EVARI VIEW LO VALLE CORRECT

NAKU RICHARD DAWKINS VIEW KUDA CORRECT ANIPISTHUNDHI....BUT RIGHT WRONG TELIYADU

[nallajamoon]

2 minutes ago, pottipotato said:

time waste. veellu antha kalisi muslim ni reform chesthunnattu cutting.

mana religion lo reforms kay dikku ledhu akkada. vaalla badha vaalley padatharu 

ochi valla caste kanolla meeda edusthu untaru eppudu choosina veellu reform chesthara, lol 

[Chinna84]

1 minute ago, pottipotato said:

I care about justice in the current. 

if you have an argument that can convince me to listen to grievances of the past, I'm willing to listen.

but first you must get past your clown act. no one is going to take seriously what you say, when you talk like an insecure fcukng clown obsessing about things he doesn't have a clue about.

atleast learn something, anything before you open your mouth. hehe..

Arey neeku antha scene ledhu 1st of all & new comedy ki pakkana 10gi, 72 virgin nee version endho cheppu ra !!

virgin kaadhu typing machine raisin ani raasthey adhi virgin padindhi ani sebuthaava Nuvvu  kuda ?? 
 

 

[nallajamoon]

Just now, Beardman said:

YES MAN

EVARI VIEW LO VALLE CORRECT

NAKU RICHARD DAWKINS VIEW KUDA CORRECT ANIPISTHUNDHI....BUT RIGHT WRONG TELIYADU

Richard Dawkins takes one point, stretches it to suit his narrative and extrapolates it