huma Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 28 minutes ago, dasari4kntr said: i am not following the entire thread context... just responding to your underlined text... 6 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said: Is a different interpretation possible of that stanza? do you want Hinduism to move past the baggage of caste? then its only possible by reinterpreting these stanzas to give it a modern and more palatable meaning. or do you want Hinduism destroyed? This is will create a lot of reactionary blowback. Gunaanni batti varnalu, puttuka valla kaadu aa okka statement chaalu bhagavadgita ardham kaavataaniki, Meeru Hinduism ni inta digajaarchalanni kudaradu, It is divine and it will exists forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambhalheart Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 33 minutes ago, dasari4kntr said: i am not following the entire thread context... just responding to your underlined text... Bhagavad gita is written in Sanskrit & please try to understand meaning of it (intermediate lo chadhivi vuntaavu ga Sanskrit language ni) instead of relying on the interpretations given by authors who don’t understand verses properly this is the verse u quoted (word to word translation vundhi) Chapter 3, verse 35: Now tell where does it talk about caste ?? If u read chapters 2 & 3 , u will understand that the context was arjuna says ‘I can’t kill my relatives hence I won’t fight & I will give up my duties as king’ then Lord Krishna says ‘it’s ur duty as a king to fight & u shuld not give up ur dharma (meaning duty) as king to fight for truth’ Where did u find cassette here ?? It only talks about varna system not caste system In fact if u read chapter 4, verse 13 lord krishna said he divided human race in 4 divisions or varnas NOT by birth but by quality, activities & aptitude The four divisions of human order were created by me according to differences in quality, activities, and aptitude; although the creator of this, know me as the non-doer being immutable. Source : https://bhagavad-gita.org/Gita/verse-03-10.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huma Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Raven_Rayes said: em comment chesa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven_Rayes Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, huma said: Gunaanni batti varnalu, puttuka valla kaadu aa okka statement chaalu bhagavadgita ardham kaavataaniki, Meeru Hinduism ni inta digajaarchalanni kudaradu, It is divine and it will exists forever. ilaage maatladtha undu, evaru Hinduism ni digajaarchakkarla.. nuvvey chaalu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven_Rayes Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 4 minutes ago, Jambhalheart said: Bhagavad gita is written in Sanskrit & please try to understand meaning of it (intermediate lo chadhivi vuntaavu ga Sanskrit language ni) instead of relying on the interpretations given by authors who don’t understand verses properly this is the verse u quoted (word to word translation vundhi) Chapter 3, verse 35: Now tell where does it talk about caste ?? If u read chapters 2 & 3 , u will understand that the context was arjuna says ‘I can’t kill my relatives hence I won’t fight & I will give up my duties as king’ then Lord Krishna says ‘it’s ur duty as a king to fight & u shuld not give up ur dharma (meaning duty) as king to fight for truth’ Where did u find cassette here ?? It only talks about varna system not caste system In fact if u read chapter 4, verse 13 lord krishna said he divided human race in 4 divisions or varnas NOT by birth but by quality, activities & aptitude The four divisions of human order were created by me according to differences in quality, activities, and aptitude; although the creator of this, know me as the non-doer being immutable. Source : https://bhagavad-gita.org/Gita/verse-03-10.html that you think this is some gotcha, says a lot about the era you live in. modern societies don't care for bs like varna, duh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulkapresident Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 40 minutes ago, dasari4kntr said: i am not following the entire thread context... just responding to your underlined text... Lol, this is not even the phrase that refers to caste system. Dharmam means what you follow. What this phrase is saying is, your own dharma is better to follow than someone else's dharma that was executed better than your dharma. In order words, it's telling you not to copy others. There is no reference to kulam in the actual phrase in Sanskrit, don't know who or what this translation is from. This phrase doesn't not refer to the caste system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huma Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said: ilaage maatladtha undu, evaru Hinduism ni digajaarchakkarla.. nuvvey chaalu. Arey missionary lo chillara dabbula kosam matam maarchukunna edavalaki mariyu oka illiterate gaadi sollu nammi cut mirchi la maarina vaallaki em cheppina labham ledu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulkapresident Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 19 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said: Is a different interpretation possible of that stanza? do you want Hinduism to move past the baggage of caste? then its only possible by reinterpreting these stanzas to give it a modern and more palatable meaning. or do you want Hinduism destroyed? This is will create a lot of reactionary blowback. sometimes I feel atheists live in their own constructed world, where reason trumps faith. unfortunately reality is different. people respond to incentives, and its the responsbility of everyone to not stir up too much bs, in the name of rationality, without anything to replace the one that they are attacking. Use language to inflict change. not to make tired points that were made 100yrs ago. That's the problem, there is no reference to kulam in the Sanskrit phrase, don't know who translated it to Telugu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven_Rayes Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 haha @dasari4kntr indukey anavasaranga ilanti thread lo vachi standard dialogues kottakudadhu. let Hindus believe what they want about bhagavad gita, who cares. its not bhagavad gita that is used to enforce caste in India. Its a million factors, many of them have nothing to do religion too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulkapresident Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 This is the actual phrase in Sanskrit. Don't bring up stupid Telugu translations. https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/chapter/3/verse/35 If in doubt listen to Ghantasala true Telugu translation, it is more accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven_Rayes Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 Just now, Pulkapresident said: That's the problem, there is no reference to kulam in the Sanskrit phrase, don't know who translated it to Telugu. It must have been done in a different era where political/social realities demanded it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulkapresident Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 śhreyān—better; swa-dharmaḥ—personal duty; viguṇaḥ—tinged with faults; para-dharmāt—than another’s prescribed duties; su-anuṣhṭhitāt—perfectly done; swa-dharme—in one’s personal duties; nidhanam—death; śhreyaḥ—better; para-dharmaḥ—duties prescribed for others; bhaya-āvahaḥ—fraught with fear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulkapresident Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 Just now, Raven_Rayes said: It must have been done in a different era where political/social realities demanded it. Dharmam means duty, it is basically saying your duty is your responsibility. Do not copy someone else's duty. Where is reference to caste here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven_Rayes Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 ikkada okadu @veerigadu aney great person, direct ga caste ni ethhi mosthunnadu vaadu bhagavad gita ni quote chesthunnada or is he quoting science to justify his caste superiority? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven_Rayes Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 8 minutes ago, Pulkapresident said: Dharmam means duty, it is basically saying your duty is your responsibility. Do not copy someone else's duty. Where is reference to caste here? I remember this from Swarna Kamalam song shiva poojaku chigurinchina.... I'm totally pissed off with people bringing up one particular interpretation and arguing as if its the only one. language can be interpreted in a million ways. I just want the secular non controversial interpretation to get mileage, not the incendiary one. these are peace times. there are other battles to fight. religion is mostly tamed. everywhere. even in India. Best to let people enjoy their respective religions without bombarding them with crap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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