How do you deal with this situation?

[Hyderabad_Developers]

5 minutes ago, Sizzler said:

Just ask them to waive the vacation days , not pay the relocation fee , and be on unpaid leave until you return. This is much easier than going through rehiring process etc.

Ask them why are they  hell bent on relocation payback since you are going to join in couple of months…. 

Still not adding up why you left PC/Badge in the office. 

HR said he will do a contractual agreement to waive off relocation if I lose accrued vacation days(Like a washout). I am not sure if he will honor that statement now because they are pushing me to repay. My manager was in that meeting when HR said that.

They prefer to exit and rehire than unpaid vacation. Its company policy ani cheppadu. I agree this is super easy process compared to rehiring.

HR is saying Repay now and you will get another relocation when rehired antunnadu. Relocation vallemo you are already at the work location so I may not be eligible for another relocation benefit anutunnaru. I feel they won't give another relocation.

PC/Badge: Irrespective, I need to go to India. Me and employer agreed that I will have to resign if I need to go to India. No other option. However, relocation chikkumudi. You will have to repay because technically its quit and rehire antadu.

[Hyderabad_Developers]

8 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Attend the interview. What's there to loose? Ask all your questions. Leaving your badge or keeping it with you wouldn't have made a difference. Whether to get rehired or quitting it altogether, depends on what you want to do. Do you have some proof of formal communication between yourself and your manager about the whole situation? If yes, then probably talk to attorney before you pay out of your pocket. Your manager can't absolve himself of his responsibility, after assuring you about time off different from your contractual obligations. Record your conversations with your manager, moving forward in case you were to litigate or pursue your legal options. Again, I'm not a lawyer, I'm just telling you what I think.

I don't have in writing but I was thinking about legal.

No body wanted to cheat or anything here but manager assuring FMLA and Parental leave and HR denying stating its company policy anedi threw me off. To be honest I did not move stuff until last Tuesday because of this. Manager b0mb Wednesday pelchadu(a day after moving) and Thursday confirm chesadu HR oppukovatledu ani.

[Sizzler]

4 minutes ago, Hyderabad_Developers said:

HR said he will do a contractual agreement to waive off relocation if I lose accrued vacation days(Like a washout). I am not sure if he will honor that statement now because they are pushing me to repay. My manager was in that meeting when HR said that.

They prefer to exit and rehire than unpaid vacation. Its company policy ani cheppadu. I agree this is super easy process compared to rehiring.

HR is saying Repay now and you will get another relocation when rehired antunnadu. Relocation vallemo you are already at the work location so I may not be eligible for another relocation benefit anutunnaru. I feel they won't give another relocation.

PC/Badge: Irrespective, I need to go to India. Me and employer agreed that I will have to resign if I need to go to India. No other option. However, relocation chikkumudi. You will have to repay because technically its quit and rehire antadu.

Just take the first option. You wont lose anything with this. You joined assuming you can enjoy the benefits. 
 

You cannot get a relocation benefit if you are in the same location unless they can justify you moved from India etc. Once the money leaves your pocket, it will be out of your control. 
 

Like @CanadianMalodu suggested, get everything in writing. Good luck. 

[fasak_vachadu]

2 minutes ago, Hyderabad_Developers said:

I don't have in writing but I was thinking about legal.

No body wanted to cheat or anything here but manager assuring FMLA and Parental leave and HR denying stating its company policy anedi threw me off. To be honest I did not move stuff until last Tuesday because of this. Manager b0mb Wednesday pelchadu(a day after moving) and Thursday confirm chesadu HR oppukovatledu ani.

first misatke you did is with out knowing parental policy leave you agreed to your manger..... comman ga ahe company kuda opukodu at least you should asked any of your friends opinion... that is fine 

now you are talented don't wait for this job, and don';t join this company find something else relax take care of your babies is it twins congratulations....

 

nothing is important than family and you kids prgancy high risk ante i can imagine your feelings... because i have passed same situation 

 

so HR tho ivanu po ani gatti ga matladu what ever buth smooth ga I mean talk to any know lawyer for free suggestions free of cost .... 

[Hyderabad_Developers]

8 minutes ago, AndhraPickles said:

Manager nunchi written documentation unte...u can divert the issue towards ur manager for misleading u into this mess...documentation lekapothey ur mistake in not familiarizing urself with company policies.......

ask for a skip level meeting with HR and ur manager's superviser...

This is also a good one. Skip level.

But since per employer I am not with the company so they may not let me talk to him.

Documentation ledu kaani, manager ivanni cheppinappudu 2 other employees unnaru who were supposed to support my projects while I am out. That's why there were there in that meeting.

[Hyderabad_Developers]

5 minutes ago, Sizzler said:

Just take the first option. You wont lose anything with this. You joined assuming you can enjoy the benefits. 
 

You cannot get a relocation benefit if you are in the same location unless they can justify you moved from India etc. Once the money leaves your pocket, it will be out of your control. 
 

Like @CanadianMalodu suggested, get everything in writing. Good luck. 

First option oppukunte picha lite. But not sure why they wanted me to repay now when the last meeting conclusion was we wanted discuss teh relocation numbers before resigning.

[Hyderabad_Developers]

4 minutes ago, fasak_vachadu said:

first misatke you did is with out knowing parental policy leave you agreed to your manger..... comman ga ahe company kuda opukodu at least you should asked any of your friends opinion... that is fine 

now you are talented don't wait for this job, and don';t join this company find something else relax take care of your babies is it twins congratulations....

 

nothing is important than family and you kids prgancy high risk ante i can imagine your feelings... because i have passed same situation 

 

so HR tho ivanu po ani gatti ga matladu what ever buth smooth ga I mean talk to any know lawyer for free suggestions free of cost .... 

Parental di ippatiki naaku and maa manager ki sarigga idea ledu. When 3rd party was involved they told me that I am not eligible until babies are born ani.

Getting another job is the easy part. However paying them $15K because manager only told me whatever he told is tooch after 1 day of relocating. Honestly my stuff is still in the truck when my manager my this.

[Sizzler]

11 minutes ago, Hyderabad_Developers said:

First option oppukunte picha lite. But not sure why they wanted me to repay now when the last meeting conclusion was we wanted discuss teh relocation numbers before resigning.

They have no leverage after you resign. They want to protect their money. You can never join them or repay it. 

[Hyderabad_Developers]

9 minutes ago, Sizzler said:

They have no leverage after you resign. They want to protect their money. You can never join them or repay it. 

How baa... can you explain? Resign chesaka they can put pressure kada. If I don't repay collections ki pamputharu kada.

[AndhraPickles]

27 minutes ago, Hyderabad_Developers said:

This is also a good one. Skip level.

But since per employer I am not with the company so they may not let me talk to him.

Documentation ledu kaani, manager ivanni cheppinappudu 2 other employees unnaru who were supposed to support my projects while I am out. That's why there were there in that meeting.

We don't remember antaru vaallu.....

[fasak_vachadu]

1 hour ago, Hyderabad_Developers said:

How baa... can you explain? Resign chesaka they can put pressure kada. If I don't repay collections ki pamputharu kada.

Don’t be get afraid of collections if it goes you pay off half the amount settle down that is other story 

you can diiscuss with the attorney 

let me know if you need any attorney details 

you need labour lawyer not an immigration or I mean business lawyer go with Jewish 

[Hyderabad_Developers]

3 minutes ago, fasak_vachadu said:

Don’t be get afraid of collections if it goes you pay off half the amount settle down that is other story 

you can diiscuss with the attorney 

let me know if you need any attorney details 

you need labour lawyer not an immigration or I mean business lawyer go with Jewish 

Nuvvu super baa... 

I know immigration lawyer but if you know labour lawyer, please provide some details.

TIA.

[Pavanonline]

6 hours ago, Hyderabad_Developers said:

Long story but please try to be patient and read. Posting for some suggestions and also for others educational purposes.

Sequence of things happened:

• Got an offer letter in January 2024. Meeting about start date discussion with my Manager. I said I can join in May since it is a high risk pregnancy and I need to be with my wife. Wife is in India and we wanted baby in India for various reasons.
• Manager said we need you urgently, you can Join in February and be onsite for 2 weeks to get familiarized and work 5 weeks remote. So I travelled to US stayed for 2 weeks and flew back to India for 5 weeks Remote.
• During these 5 weeks I kept close conversation with Manager about my wife's due date and manager said you can take Paternity leave and FMLA etc.
• Flew back to USA after the remote work and discuss about about the strategy while I am gone.
• Doctor said due date could between April 15 to May 15th given her situation.
• When I discussed the due date with manager, he involved HR and HR said I cannot utilize FMLA(since its not been a year with company) and cannot use Parental leave because the babies are not born yet. I cannot work remotely because I already worked for 5 weeks and company policy does not allow any more.
• I did not relocate until 3 days ago since I had my current lease. Since my manager said I can use FMLA etc etc, I trusted my manager and shipped all my stuff 2 days before they denied FMLA, parental leave etc.
• Since there were no options and Job is nothing compared to the babies, I said I can resign and if you want you can rehire. My manager really liked me so setup an interview at the end of May to rehire and he said it will be a simple one call interview.

Now the problem starts:

• HR said you will have to repay the Relocation since it is going to be a quit and rehire.
• I said I would like to review the repay amount before quitting since it could be very high and will break me financially. I still wanted to travel to India and utilize my accrued vacation days while we discuss repayment numbers and come to a conclusion.
• I left my computer and badge in my office since I won't need them in India whether I resign or take vacation while the relocation discussion is going on.
• All of sudden HR sent me an email saying they accepted my Voluntary resignation and I need to repay Relocation amount. And my accrued vacation are lost because of they accepted resignation.
• This was extremely shocking to me. I know it seems some information is  missing but I feel that way too.
• Another thing that my HR said.... they can make a contract to waive off relocation payment if I lose my vacation days. MY manager was in this meeting along with me.

Next Steps:

• I am going to set up a meeting with HR and my manager and ask why they assumed I voluntarily resigned.
• Ask about the repayment waive off agreement but I am having feeling they will flip and say they cannot make any agreement now.

Suggestion and Learnings:

What are my options here and where could I have improvised?

Should I even consider attending the rehire interview or just repay the relocation(~15K) and call it a day.

TIA.

 

While your manager is at fault to suggest things he doesn't know (and not knowing how FMLA works), FMLA is not by company but by law and doesn't apply unless you work for a year, you should have researched about what it is. I think you are actually eligible for short term disability. Your HR was the right person to discuss these things. And you again took managers word about resign and rejoin without consulting HR. 

Lesson: managers don't have much power/knowledge when it comes to personnel policies and contact HR for such stuff. They're pretty helpful.

Next steps: looks like HR is doing what is supposed to be done for your rehire. Remember these are corporate policies that even HR can't simply change as they wish.

But you should seriously consider the competency of your manager before joining back. If I were you I would be open and clarify everything in the call when both HR and manager and see if you can still trust him/them.

[jaathiratnalu2]

6 hours ago, Hyderabad_Developers said:

What is this post dated cheque. Remote interview is all ki why cheque?

You did not get my point . No issues

if you don’t join the company pay the amount ? If you wanna rejoin why worry 

[usetime63]

Those policies can be worked to your favor if manager is ok with it , try convincing your manager and escalate above him if doesn't work.