Number of church's by jagan

[Teluguredu]

7 minutes ago, galiraju said:

It is a fact,if Hinduism was better to them ,they would have stayed as Hindus.

Even in maharastra where the Christian influence is on the lower end ,the Dalits have converted into Buddhists.

[galiraju]

1 minute ago, Teluguredu said:

It is a fact,if Hinduism was better to them ,they would have stayed as Hindus.

Even in maharastra where the Christian influence is on the lower end ,the Dalits have converted into Buddhists.

It was just the outside money and uneducated folks they are converting. In hinduism there is no way of propgating that is a minus i agree. Caste issue is also there, but converting pastors dont tell converted people to change from SC,ST to BC-C after conversion. Now, there are also caste churches...reddy church kamma church...komati church...lower caste is treated like panimanshi in upper-caste church and some cases not allowed.

With a law BJP made outside funding acountable. Also, each patron must give 10% of the earing to pastor and church. get rid of the 10% no church can survive. People belive their life changes from one religion to other but it wont ...poor stays poor and actually pastor life changing.

[jpismahatma]

3 hours ago, Teluguredu said:

Why would they consider themselves superior? Converting only gives them monetary benefits and a sense of community but their  status is still low in the society ,reservations are a different discussion.

Why reservation is different discussion ? Christians ruled Hindus. When you convert to Christians you will loose benefits. Reservation are for Hindus not for Christians.

[Teluguredu]

Just now, jpismahatma said:

Why reservation is different discussion ? Christians ruled Hindus. When you convert to Christians you will loose benefits. Reservation are for Hindus not for Christians.

Christians didn't rule over Hindus ,British have ruled over indians.

Reservations are for ethnic grps not religious grps.

[galiraju]

1 minute ago, Teluguredu said:

Christians didn't rule over Hindus ,British have ruled over indians.

Reservations are for ethnic grps not religious grps.

Reservations are for Hindu ethinc groups because of the persecution they faced and when conversion happens you are not a Hindu so, you have to change your reservation status from sc, st to BC-C

[jpismahatma]

7 minutes ago, Teluguredu said:

Christians didn't rule over Hindus ,British have ruled over indians.

Reservations are for ethnic grps not religious grps.

Ambedkar is laughing in the corner. 

[Teluguredu]

41 minutes ago, galiraju said:

Reservations are for Hindu ethinc groups because of the persecution they faced and when conversion happens you are not a Hindu so, you have to change your reservation status from sc, st to BC-C

Even BC people come under reservations ,also all Christians and muslims don't come under BC ,many are oc as well.it depends on which community the belonged to before converting..

The constitutions allows non-hindu Dalits from all religions except muslim and Christianity to continue under sc/st reservation.so reservation is based on your caste more than religion.

 

[galiraju]

1 hour ago, Teluguredu said:

Even BC people come under reservations ,also all Christians and muslims don't come under BC ,many are oc as well.it depends on which community the belonged to before converting..

The constitutions allows non-hindu Dalits from all religions except muslim and Christianity to continue under sc/st reservation.so reservation is based on your caste more than religion.

 

The Indian Constitution does not provide for reservations and special government-sponsored benefits, based on Religion. The main architects of the Constitution, in their wisdom, envisioned a reservation for a limited period of time, only for certain historically disadvantaged communities based on the practice of caste within the native culture. The temporary reservations recommended in the Indian Constitution was meant to be implemented in good faith, only among certain communities within the purview of the native faiths.

[galiraju]

1 hour ago, Teluguredu said:

Even BC people come under reservations ,also all Christians and muslims don't come under BC ,many are oc as well.it depends on which community the belonged to before converting..

The constitutions allows non-hindu Dalits from all religions except muslim and Christianity to continue under sc/st reservation.so reservation is based on your caste more than religion.

 

1. Scheduled Castes (SC): Originally, only Hindus could be considered SC. Over time, this was extended to include Sikhs and Buddhists, but not Christians or Muslims. Therefore, a Hindu SC who converts to Christianity typically loses SC status and the associated reservations.

2. Other Backward Classes (OBC/BC): Christian converts from Hinduism may still be eligible for OBC status if they belong to a socially and educationally backward community recognized under the OBC category. This varies by state and specific community criteria.

3. Reservations: The Indian reservation system provides quotas in education, employment, and legislatures to uplift disadvantaged communities. The loss of SC status upon conversion to Christianity can mean losing these quotas. However, if the person qualifies under OBC criteria, they might still access some benefits.

The interplay between religious conversion and reservation status is a complex and often debated issue in India.

[Teluguredu]

2 minutes ago, galiraju said:

The Indian Constitution does not provide for reservations and special government-sponsored benefits, based on Religion. The main architects of the Constitution, in their wisdom, envisioned a reservation for a limited period of time, only for certain historically disadvantaged communities based on the practice of caste within the native culture. The temporary reservations recommended in the Indian Constitution was meant to be implemented in good faith, only among certain communities within the purview of the native faiths.

That's what I said ,reservation is based on ethnic lines not religious lines.

Even bc-c is a reserved category .

[galiraju]

1 minute ago, Teluguredu said:

That's what I said ,reservation is based on ethnic lines not religious lines.

Even bc-c is a reserved category .

native faiths 

[Teluguredu]

5 minutes ago, galiraju said:

native faiths 

Christians lo BC vaalu untaaru ,BC kooda reserved category ne.

It makes no sense ,for some reason once you convert to Christianity you lose your caste identity but not if you convert into buddhism.probably done to discourage Christian conversions.

[galiraju]

1 minute ago, Teluguredu said:

Christians lo BC vaalu untaaru ,BC kooda reserved category ne.

It makes no sense ,for some reason once you convert to Christianity you lose your caste identity but not if you convert into buddhism.probably done to discourage Christian conversions.

doesn't matter....it is a thuglaq law....anyways...contridicting and messes everything up...also I have never seen satistics about how many utilized/utiling reservation and improved they life from 1947-2023? 

[11_MohanReddy]

10 hours ago, Teluguredu said:

It has nothing to do with YSR or jagan ,andhra always had good amount of Christian influence especially in coastal areas as they are more developed and especially lower caste people opted Christianity which has given them education and other benefits instead of a religion that denied them basic human rights .

[venkappa]

On 8/8/2024 at 12:14 AM, galiraju said:

It was just the outside money and uneducated folks they are converting. In hinduism there is no way of propgating that is a minus i agree. Caste issue is also there, but converting pastors dont tell converted people to change from SC,ST to BC-C after conversion. Now, there are also caste churches...reddy church kamma church...komati church...lower caste is treated like panimanshi in upper-caste church and some cases not allowed.

With a law BJP made outside funding acountable. Also, each patron must give 10% of the earing to pastor and church. get rid of the 10% no church can survive. People belive their life changes from one religion to other but it wont ...poor stays poor and actually pastor life changing.

Where exactly are these Reddy Kamma specific churches located? I thought they were based on denomination like Lutheran or Catholic.