India has great history, culture and legacy, but what is lacking to progress?

[CanadianMalodu]

4 hours ago, socrates said:

first of all it was typo on my side later i corrected it, i do agree it was happened because of british bad policies 

there is no doubt in that, all blame goes to british 

lot of new world countries are farmed after ww2 all these countries also gone through the same issues, have you seen japan and germany how badly beaten after the world wars?

they are not taking pride or blame on their past history, but what all they are doing their duty eternal కర్మ as citizens,  thats why they recovered much quicker 

but what we do is praising our ancient glory and do nothing, if any one questions that attacks him, isnt it?

what facts are you talking about? are you even talking about inequality ratio? in 150cr population and you can find hardly 100 or 1000 uber rich people, so are you saying that is progress?

are you reading newspapers at-least? is there any progress in caste hatred or religion hatred or linguistic hatred?

i can say i am open minded because i see all things without favoritism and i dont need anyone approval for that

Enna thaliva sollu thunnaav?Germany and Japan were way ahead in industrialization, before the WWII.

This is nothing compared to India whose industry was structurally dismantled over time and was reduced to mere consumers with heavy tax burden. India has largest textile and Ship manufacturing industries pre British. 

India didn't even have food security during and after the  occupation and it's transport system was primarily aimed at bringing out raw materials to the ports and moving it abroad.

[pichukgudu]

On 1/13/2025 at 3:28 AM, krishnaaa said:

Solution as to what an individual can do to. 

This is what matters most. Talking about politics or past doesn't yield much result.

What exactly do u expect from an individual bro ?? 

Primary goal for any individual is to hv food in his plate & also of his dependents, 3 times a day, if not more! Once he secures this, than comes d thot of being able to fit in a group for which he starts believing in superiority of language / caste / religion etc. Later when he grows more wiser, & realises that he doesnt need any group but needs to be socially cautious / economically disciplined / politically neutral / physically fit / emotionally stable / environmentally sensitive / responsible & accountable as a civilian, then he starts worrying abt society / country / world & everything else!

IYKYK .. Development of an individual involves so many stages .. As they say, it takes a village to raise a child .. which technically means d experiences every individual had, during their lifetime makes him / her in to whatever they become later ..

Unfortunately not everyone in this world make it to d last stage .. & out of those who do .. not everyone remembers where they started initially & just becomes impatient, to see odrs still getting stuck somewhere in d middle due to various factors!    

[pichukgudu]

8 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

The best part would be for the government to give up Tirumala temple. What's stopping them? They have no part in running it.

If they insist on running it, then they should be held accountable as well. Mere transfers for loss of life, is a joke. Just like how Baboru got him cleared from his own appointed SIT for godavari pushkaralu 😆

this might resolve d problem of negligence amongst govt / govt officials .. but hw will it solve d problem of recklessness  of people?

An article in The Hindu, described the current situation in d city due to festive rush as "Those heading to platforms are forced to elbow out others to find their way ahead in the milling crowd." 

Source: https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/andhra-pradesh/sankranti-rush-chokes-vijayawada-roads-blocked-with-traffic/article69089098.ece

Iam specifically mentioning this to point out that, this thing wont change as long as there is only limited availability of resources for a much larger set of consumers .. its not necessarily cultural as well! U can see it as either indiscipline (OR) desperation! (which i leave it to ur wisdom!)

Such stampede like situations also happen in well-equipped nations .. where-in d fault may lie wid every stakeholder involved!

Anywhere in d world, govt. / administrators can only do things to a certain extent .. beyond which it falls on individuals / mob to take care of themselves .. Govt & citizens combined can only make a better society & eventually better countries !! 

[CanadianMalodu]

36 minutes ago, pichukgudu said:

this might resolve d problem of negligence amongst govt / govt officials .. but hw will it solve d problem of recklessness  of people?

An article in The Hindu, described the current situation in d city due to festive rush as "Those heading to platforms are forced to elbow out others to find their way ahead in the milling crowd." 

Source: https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/andhra-pradesh/sankranti-rush-chokes-vijayawada-roads-blocked-with-traffic/article69089098.ece

Iam specifically mentioning this to point out that, this thing wont change as long as there is only limited availability of resources for a much larger set of consumers .. its not necessarily cultural as well! U can see it as either indiscipline (OR) desperation! (which i leave it to ur wisdom!)

Such stampede like situations also happen in well-equipped nations .. where-in d fault may lie wid every stakeholder involved!

Anywhere in d world, govt. / administrators can only do things to a certain extent .. beyond which it falls on individuals / mob to take care of themselves .. Govt & citizens combined can only make a better society & eventually better countries !! 

Tell me how are crowds controlled in trains, locals and buses. They are often overcrowded during the festival season. How come there are no multiple deaths?

Those that organize crowds, forgot or ignored to ensure crowd safety. There should always be an emergency exit or other exit mechanisms that would prevent stampede. 

[pichukgudu]

22 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Tell me how are crowds controlled in trains, locals and buses. They are often overcrowded during the festival season. How come there are no multiple deaths?

Those that organize crowds, forgot or ignored to ensure crowd safety. There should always be an emergency exit or other exit mechanisms that would prevent stampede. 

https://m.economictimes.com/news/india/nine-persons-injured-in-stampede-at-bandra-railway-station-in-mumbai/amp_articleshow/114645508.cms
 

Above article is an example of stampede situation that occurred just a few months ago!

Not exactly sure, if there was a lapse in safety mechanism in d recent Tirumala incident, but all I can say is even wid everything in place, no one can guarantee safety .. if ppl themselves do not take their safety seriously!

[CanadianMalodu]

1 hour ago, pichukgudu said:

https://m.economictimes.com/news/india/nine-persons-injured-in-stampede-at-bandra-railway-station-in-mumbai/amp_articleshow/114645508.cms
 

Above article is an example of stampede situation that occurred just a few months ago!

Not exactly sure, if there was a lapse in safety mechanism in d recent Tirumala incident, but all I can say is even wid everything in place, no one can guarantee safety .. if ppl themselves do not take their safety seriously!

Still there are no deaths. But you look at places where there is no exit mechanisms, then death is almost certain, Godavari pushkaralu, TDP meetings, AA movie screenings, now TTD. If you can't handle the crowd don't sign up for it. Simple as that 

[krishnaaa]

5 hours ago, pichukgudu said:

What exactly do u expect from an individual bro ?? 

Primary goal for any individual is to hv food in his plate & also of his dependents, 3 times a day, if not more! Once he secures this, than comes d thot of being able to fit in a group for which he starts believing in superiority of language / caste / religion etc. Later when he grows more wiser, & realises that he doesnt need any group but needs to be socially cautious / economically disciplined / politically neutral / physically fit / emotionally stable / environmentally sensitive / responsible & accountable as a civilian, then he starts worrying abt society / country / world & everything else!

IYKYK .. Development of an individual involves so many stages .. As they say, it takes a village to raise a child .. which technically means d experiences every individual had, during their lifetime makes him / her in to whatever they become later ..

Unfortunately not everyone in this world make it to d last stage .. & out of those who do .. not everyone remembers where they started initially & just becomes impatient to see odrs still getting stuck somewhere in d middle due to various factors!    

Individuals just have to contribute little with focus on the betterment of the country. They don't have to move mountains.

Just like tiny habits and changes to lifestyle add up, tiny contributions from individuals add up.

For example, India imports crude from outside which means that money goes out of the country. There is also a power deficit.

So I just installed solar panels on couple of my properties which even generate excess and feeds back into the grid. I even get money back. This year, I am going to replace our old gas car with electric which would help with lesser pollution as well. All this while facing backlash. Elders in India don't understand solar or EVs. I have also been educating people around me. Couple of my friends installed solar after talking to me. One of my tenants has couple commercial properties. He was against solar....but after seeing its effectiveness, he is thinking about it too. Hope he installs this year.

I am not losing anything by doing this. Just that the money has been spent on win win. The govt is already doing its part by providing pretty good subsidy.

These are the ideas I feel that we need to talk about what an individual can do to create impact

[pichukgudu]

2 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Still there are no deaths. But you look at places where there is no exit mechanisms, then death is almost certain, Godavari pushkaralu, TDP meetings, AA movie screenings, now TTD. If you can't handle the crowd don't sign up for it. Simple as that 

Agreed! But i feel even ppl shd show some responsibility & be cautious to avoid any irreparable loss, rather than completely relying on organisers / security personnel!!

[pichukgudu]

53 minutes ago, krishnaaa said:

Individuals just have to contribute little with focus on the betterment of the country. They don't have to move mountains.

Just like tiny habits and changes to lifestyle add up, tiny contributions from individuals add up.

For example, India imports crude from outside which means that money goes out of the country. There is also a power deficit.

So I just installed solar panels on couple of my properties which even generate excess and feeds back into the grid. I even get money back. This year, I am going to replace our old gas car with electric which would help with lesser pollution as well. All this while facing backlash. Elders in India don't understand solar or EVs. I have also been educating people around me. Couple of my friends installed solar after talking to me. One of my tenants has couple commercial properties. He was against solar....but after seeing its effectiveness, he is thinking about it too. Hope he installs this year.

I am not losing anything by doing this. Just that the money has been spent on win win. The govt is already doing its part by providing pretty good subsidy.

These are the ideas I feel that we need to talk about what an individual can do to create impact

Excellent! Whatever u said, can be expected from ppl, who r already well-off & hv such luxuries, to worry abt  such as Solar set-up at home or using EV cars instead of fuel based cars that causes pollution & harms d environment!

So, according to you what % of India's population fall under this category?? Also, are these the core problems within Indian society that acts as an obstacle to forward thinking / having a progressive outlook towards future? Just curious!

P.S: One of my elderly uncle did recommend to go with Solar Panels when we wanted to get an electricity connection from the grid, for our new house! (Ofcourse he's a retired Judge & is an advocate of SDG's) Also many odr homes in town owned by elders did opt for Solar Panels, especially due to d govt provided subsidies to install 'em & also to save some money on electricity bills! So, i do believe that elders do understand abt co-existing wid environment & also many odr things such as giving up of electronic devices, not buying readymade (adulterated) food products & trying to prepare at home instead, grow few basic crops in d backyard etc . 

[krishnaaa]

14 minutes ago, pichukgudu said:

Excellent! Whatever u said, can be expected from ppl, who r already well-off & hv such luxuries, to worry abt  such as Solar set-up at home or using EV cars instead of fuel based cars that causes pollution & harms d environment!

So, according to you what % of India's population fall under this category?? Also, are these the core problems within Indian society that acts as an obstacle to forward thinking / having a progressive outlook towards future? Just curious!

P.S: One of my elderly uncle did recommend to go with Solar Panels when we wanted to get an electricity connection from the grid, for our new house! (Ofcourse he's a retired Judge & is an advocate of SDG's) Also many odr homes in town owned by elders did opt for Solar Panels, especially due to d govt provided subsidies to install 'em & also to save some money on electricity bills! So, i do believe that elders do understand abt co-existing wid environment & also many odr things such as giving up of electronic devices, not buying readymade (adulterated) food products & trying to prepare at home instead, grow few basic crops in d backyard etc . 

Most of the forum members here have enough to invest in solar. Its 20K $ in US but can be done for 3-4 Lakhs in India.

People with very low income are also spending like anything. I have seen expensive purses and iphones that kids now a days save up to buy.

Again its a distraction about talking about % of population.......I am talking about what you and me can do.

Lack of focus on personal responsibility is the problem for Indians. 

Bottom line is that if we want a better India, we should talk about what we as individuals can do. No way around this.

 

 

[pichukgudu]

2 minutes ago, krishnaaa said:

Most of the forum members here have enough to invest in solar. Its 20K $ in US but can be done for 3-4 Lakhs in India.

People with very low income are also spending like anything. I have seen expensive purses and iphones that kids now a days save up to buy.

Again its a distraction about talking about % of population.......I am talking about what you and me can do.

Focus on personal responsibility is the problem for Indians. 

Bottom line is that if we want a better India, we should talk about what we as individuals can do. No way around this.

 

 

TBH, i never realised that ur comments were directed only towards d members of this DB 😂

Since u in ur very first post criticised "INDIANS", i saw that as entire population of India .. & was more focusing on traditionally deep-rooted problems within Indian society!

Now i feel that u're not happy especially wid members within this DB who r capable of making these lifestyle changes but r not willing to, & u seem very sure as well abt this lot!

Anyways, if that's d case .. u can spare me .. as i don't intentionally / knowingly do anything that's not in line wid accepted social norms! But Plz dont ask me if i shifted to an EV yet, though!😜 i see it as a temporary workaround which could evolve in to another problem, rather than a permanent solution!

[krishnaaa]

1 minute ago, pichukgudu said:

TBH, i never realised that ur comments were directed only towards d members of this DB 😂

Since u in ur very first post criticised "INDIANS", i saw that as entire population of India .. & was more focusing on traditionally deep-rooted problems within Indian society!

Now i feel that u're not happy especially wid members within this DB who r capable of making these lifestyle changes but r not willing to, & u seem very sure as well abt this lot!

Anyways, if that's d case .. u can spare me .. as i don't intentionally / knowingly do anything that's not in line wid accepted social norms! But Plz dont ask me if i shifted to an EV yet, though!😜 i see it as a temporary workaround which could evolve in to another problem, rather than a permanent solution!

You didn't get my point again.

This is the problem with Indians in general. They don't get logic as I said before. Very tough to talk to.

Do whatever you feel is good for the country and good for you at the same time. Look for win win. And when you talk to others, talk about such ideas instead.

That is the first and a huge step in the direction of a better country.

[pichukgudu]

30 minutes ago, krishnaaa said:

You didn't get my point again.

This is the problem with Indians in general. They don't get logic as I said before. Very tough to talk to.

Do whatever you feel is good for the country and good for you at the same time. Look for win win. And when you talk to others, talk about such ideas instead.

That is the first and a huge step in the direction of a better country.

Funny, when I talk abt a potential problem .. w/o evn putting an effort to know abt d problem.. u’re continuing to insist on projecting ur suggestion as win-win for me & d country coz u believe it so! Sure, someone’s logic sense sounds questionable !!

[krishnaaa]

2 minutes ago, pichukgudu said:

Funny, when I talk abt a potential problem .. w/o evn putting an effort to know abt d problem.. u’re continuing to insist on projecting ur suggestion as win-win for me & d country coz u believe it so! Sure, someone’s logic sense sounds questionable !!

Focus of solutions instead of problems and you will have a better life. Good luck

[socrates]

17 hours ago, pichukgudu said:

Were either of these countries ever colonised?? Just coz they were defeated in WW-II, d one which they themselves started / voluntarily joined to show their superiority to the world, u think its d same as getting exploited / oppressed / looted / discriminated / deprived ???

 

anyway india colonization was just 200 years episode in a very very big indian history. I want to give one example, by the time of gowtham budda these two countries germany and japan dont even exist as countries (mostly as tribes only not even emperors)

showing colonialism is a reason for our bad mindset is just an excuse

but did you realize why those two countries were not colonized? and so called ancient civilized india got colonized ?

that concludes my first post in this thread.

17 hours ago, pichukgudu said:

Do Nothing ?? Is that why you see an increase in literacy rate / economic growth / political stability / cultural changes such as being cautious abt population, practicing hygiene, adopting technology, being environmentally sensitive ??

do nothing means i am saying figuratively, not literally

i do give credit to ISRO, IIT and where ever there is a due

but i won’t agree on what you mentioned such as environmental sensitivity, practicing hygiene, political stability..etc. we are very far to claim these

17 hours ago, pichukgudu said:

lets compare abt inequality ratio in Ind wid US, if you find it convenient:

The top 10% of the Indian population holds 77% of the total national wealth. 73% of the wealth generated in 2017 went to the richest 1%, while *670 million Indians who comprise the poorest half of the population saw only a 1% increase in their wealth.

In 2007, the top 20% of the wealthiest Americans possessed 80% of all financial assets.^[14] In 2007, the richest 1% of the American population owned 35% of the country's total wealth, and the next 19% owned 51%. The top 20% of Americans owned 86% of the country's wealth and the bottom 80% of the population owned 14%.

Does that make u feel better abt India's inequality ratio now?? the point i want to make here is .. when a developed country wid 1/5th of Ind's population but 3 times d size of Ind, can hv such economy inequality among its citizens, isnt Ind's condition reasonable ??

 

i dont know why you taking usa as  example here with highly populated india? 

if high population is your concern then lets compare with china inequality ratio

apples with apples

oranges with oranges 

18 hours ago, pichukgudu said:

Coming to Newspapers, if u cant see articles talking abt hw women r turning in to entrepreneurs & becoming financially independent  / youth focusing on learning new skills & not limiting themselves only to STEM courses / govt & activists working together to bring in social reforms / ppl in general being more precautionary abt their lifestyle & focusing on health & fitness  /  multicultural societies / education taking front-seat in almost every family's priority list etc .. i dont think i can help u see that either!

1:10 ratio bro

all your utopia stories are just 1% feel good stories you see in newspapers once in a while not every day, while i am talking about 10% dystopia stories which has real sorrows occupy every page in every day

18 hours ago, pichukgudu said:

Problem is wid perspectives bro .. if u want to be selective abt wat u want to see / learn .. u generally get more of that especially in today's world .. so just by saying that iam open minded doesnt mean anything unless u really hv d patience to look at d odr side of d coin!!

perspective is mutual bro

other side of the coin is not visible to you also because you are just seeing (or imagining) utopia 

i am totally accepting of you saying i am not open minded because i have that open mind to accept it