India has great history, culture and legacy, but what is lacking to progress?

[pichukgudu]

7 minutes ago, krishnaaa said:

As I said already,all this is a complete waste of time.

The solution is to implement things on personal level. They don't have to be big.

Let me know if any other solution exists.

I do not deny this statement! Only thing is i disagree wid ur conviction that Indians (as u generalised) do not practice logical reasoning while making decisions!

[pichukgudu]

13 minutes ago, krishnaaa said:

This is a typical far left or far right argument.

Probabilities matter. Culture determines how much you get triggered on an average.

 

You can say what u will! Gone r d days, when culture used to decide / determine anything in your life!

It's all what u see on d internet now, as u urself did!

[krishnaaa]

27 minutes ago, pichukgudu said:

I do not deny this statement! Only thing is i disagree wid ur conviction that Indians (as u generalised) do not practice logical reasoning while making decisions!

Can we talk about the solution instead?

[Pavanonline]

13 minutes ago, pichukgudu said:

w.r.t. country more often than not has good intentions behind 'em ..

every one has good intentions dude even stupid people. that's not a qualification

 

16 minutes ago, pichukgudu said:

Red: what do u mean by this statement?

I mean knowledge was not passed onto everyone, brahmins were the gatekeepers like Kings were gatekeepers to wealth.

21 minutes ago, pichukgudu said:

Constitution framing part was handled by a group of members from constituent assembly that was led by B.R.Ambedkar among a dozen more eminent lawyers across different parts of India

if this was the best we could do then we were doomed anyway  

 

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21 minutes ago, pichukgudu said:

It just backfired!

Duh!

25 minutes ago, pichukgudu said:

Also we (INC under Nehru .. more inclined towards USSR) were against Capitalism

of course good intentions like always, not to keep power. reality is lot of Indian "intellectuals" didn't understand free will or free markets. wanted power of govt to achieve "good intentions", that'll never work. 

 

 

Anyway we're discussing how we got here, not the reasons why those decisions were taken. Acknowledging the wrong is how you can start making it right.

[pichukgudu]

32 minutes ago, krishnaaa said:

Can we talk about the solution instead?

Solution for what? I guess, u already agreed that Ind is progressing .. but u're not happy wid d rate?

U can take d life of an individual as an example, on hw many years it takes to transform from a stage where u work to just hv access to basic necessities, to a stage where u aim for luxury in life?

[pichukgudu]

31 minutes ago, Pavanonline said:

every one has good intentions dude even stupid people. that's not a qualification

 

I mean knowledge was not passed onto everyone, brahmins were the gatekeepers like Kings were gatekeepers to wealth.

if this was the best we could do then we were doomed anyway  

 

copy paste

 

Duh!

of course good intentions like always, not to keep power. reality is lot of Indian "intellectuals" didn't understand free will or free markets. wanted power of govt to achieve "good intentions", that'll never work. 

 

 

Anyway we're discussing how we got here, not the reasons why those decisions were taken. Acknowledging the wrong is how you can start making it right.

ha .. ha .. i guess i was specific abt ppl who were part of administration already, meaning qualification was already evaluated! Now when u're supposed to actually take care of responsibilities, intentions do matter .. coz its not a job whr we can just work for our salary! (without any passion)

Coming to knowledge, didnt i say that there were family level professions? if u're referring to discrimination during british era .. when untouchability (not sure every non-brahmin was deprived of education?) existed .. it's d main reason why later .. when we framed our constitution .. we did consider it as a societal blunder & tried to practice EQUITY! 

You're also forgetting d timing abt those policies against free-market / free-will! India just became free .. after getting colonised by foreign traders for 200 yrs .. &. wid immense trust deficit, that was quite obvious IMO!

Whatever i said above, is actually acknowledging our own mistakes & learning from them .. ofcourse in different periods of time .. that's what we're doing now as well .. there will always be new problems coming up when we try to experiment wid things .. but wat matters is, if we have a plan & r we willing to put in d efforts to achieve wat we intend to? 

So, now u need to tell me, if India / GoI / Citizens, still follow outdated practices & fail to understand the current global trends, & not being sensible enough to move in d right direction?

[Pavanonline]

1 hour ago, pichukgudu said:

ha .. ha .. i guess i was specific abt ppl who were part of administration already, meaning qualification was already evaluated! Now when u're supposed to actually take care of responsibilities, intentions do matter .. coz its not a job whr we can just work for our salary! (without any passion)

Coming to knowledge, didnt i say that there were family level professions? if u're referring to discrimination during british era .. when untouchability (not sure every non-brahmin was deprived of education?) existed .. it's d main reason why later .. when we framed our constitution .. we did consider it as a societal blunder & tried to practice EQUITY! 

You're also forgetting d timing abt those policies against free-market / free-will! India just became free .. after getting colonised by foreign traders for 200 yrs .. &. wid immense trust deficit, that was quite obvious IMO!

Whatever i said above, is actually acknowledging our own mistakes & learning from them .. ofcourse in different periods of time .. that's what we're doing now as well .. there will always be new problems coming up when we try to experiment wid things .. but wat matters is, if we have a plan & r we willing to put in d efforts to achieve wat we intend to? 

So, now u need to tell me, if India / GoI / Citizens, still follow outdated practices & fail to understand the current global trends, & not being sensible enough to move in d right direction?

Ok 

[krishnaaa]

1 hour ago, pichukgudu said:

Solution for what? I guess, u already agreed that Ind is progressing .. but u're not happy wid d rate?

U can take d life of an individual as an example, on hw many years it takes to transform from a stage where u work to just hv access to basic necessities, to a stage where u aim for luxury in life?

Solution as to what an individual can do to. 

This is what matters most. Talking about politics or past doesn't yield much result.

[CanadianMalodu]

7 hours ago, Pavanonline said:

It's impossible to get to conclusions without generalizing majority of population though. 

While many are rational, majority are emotional. Unless you come out and watch the society from outside you won't observe it as well.

Take the tirumala incident, all discussion sidetracked to apology instead of demanding for increasing counters multifold and other innovative ideas for crowd control.

People want continuous involvement of govt in every thing while blaming the govt all at same time. 

The best part would be for the government to give up Tirumala temple. What's stopping them? They have no part in running it.

If they insist on running it, then they should be held accountable as well. Mere transfers for loss of life, is a joke. Just like how Baboru got him cleared from his own appointed SIT for godavari pushkaralu 😆

[Pavanonline]

8 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

The best part would be for the government to give up Tirumala temple. What's stopping them? They have no part in running it.

agree 

[CanadianMalodu]

2 hours ago, krishnaaa said:

Solution as to what an individual can do to. 

This is what matters most. Talking about politics or past doesn't yield much result.

An individual's ONLY way in a surveillance state is to vote. But that doesn't count much anyways. Anything over that, will require either use of weapons, which was taken away from citizens by the governments since the time of British, or to organize in masses and pull down the existing order. The problem with the second one is bulk of those that earn for a living are balkanized and cannot come together and have a go at the state, that too which has extraordinary force both physical ans financial at its disposal. For that too happen you need a strong catalyst.

[socrates]

11 hours ago, pichukgudu said:

not sure, if u've heard abt forceful Indigo cultivation by farmers as Britishers made money due to its increased demand in Europe .. also paid less to farmers .. it also deteriorated the fertility of land .. that in many ways led to famine like situation down d line .. 

first of all it was typo on my side later i corrected it, i do agree it was happened because of british bad policies 

there is no doubt in that, all blame goes to british 

11 hours ago, pichukgudu said:

Coming to ur question abt India's progress .. When the British rule ended in India in the year 1947 the literacy rate was just 16%. Over the years, India has changed socially, economically, and globally. After the 2011 census, literacy rate India 2011 was found to be 74.04%... & its like 64 yrs .. dont u see it as progress?  In 1947, India's Gross Domestic Product (GDP) was `2,700 Bn which has increased to US $ 3.53 Tr in 2021, making it the world’s sixth largest economy. Per capita income jumped over 500 times; in 1950 it stood at ₹ 265 and it increased to ₹ 128,829 in 2020-21 (in 75 yrs after getting colonised for 200 yrs..) .. even d developed nations havent achieved such a feat .. US took 100s of yrs to be what it is today ..

lot of new world countries are farmed after ww2 all these countries also gone through the same issues, have you seen japan and germany how badly beaten after the world wars?

they are not taking pride or blame on their past history, but what all they are doing their duty eternal కర్మ as citizens,  thats why they recovered much quicker 

but what we do is praising our ancient glory and do nothing, if any one questions that attacks him, isnt it?

11 hours ago, pichukgudu said:

If u're unable to see / accept facts .. u've apparently already made up ur mind .. & not open for any diversified opinions .. but can only see odrs wid different perception as senseless / heretics!

what facts are you talking about? are you even talking about inequality ratio? in 150cr population and you can find hardly 100 or 1000 uber rich people, so are you saying that is progress?

are you reading newspapers at-least? is there any progress in caste hatred or religion hatred or linguistic hatred?

i can say i am open minded because i see all things without favoritism and i dont need anyone approval for that

[kingcasanova]

On 1/12/2025 at 10:14 AM, socrates said:

0.1% improvement also progress 

10% improvement also progress

100% improvement also progress 

we are finding pride in bad progress also, culturally and historically rich nation like india is always finding reasons for justifying our current situation than correcting the root problems 

 

progress anedhi first mana indians mindset lo raavaaali

inkaa british ruled mindset lone undipoyaaam, kakkurthi bathukulu, self hatred divisive bathukulu bathukunnaaru janaaalu,

kudirithe communism leka pothe westren ideology ivi thappithe mughal mindset,

ivanni theesesthe mana identity manaku ledhu,

24 hrs konni mathaalaku nyaayam jaragaali, inkonni kulaalaku nyaayam jaragaali, maaa hero gaadi sanka naaakaali, maa party nayakudi back kadagaaali ilaaa oka zone loki veelainantha thwaraga velli akkada happy ga bathakaali ane manaku, India anedhi oka country ani, mana priority as a whole desham bagupadaali ane aalochana vachela mindset progress undaaali.

chex kosam kakkurthi padi mana key secrets paki laku ichese level lo undi mana mindset

ekkadi nuncho outdated ideologies ni theesukochi mana meedha manam ruddhukone jaadyam lo undhi mana mindset

first mana mindset lo progress raavaaali, migathadhi adhe vasthundi,

israels ki vaaalla desam meedha unnantha love manaku vachinapudu manam baagupadathaam

[AndhraAbbai]

caste based slavery...

[pichukgudu]

5 hours ago, socrates said:

lot of new world countries are farmed after ww2 all these countries also gone through the same issues, have you seen japan and germany how badly beaten after the world wars?

they are not taking pride or blame on their past history, but what all they are doing their duty eternal కర్మ as citizens,  thats why they recovered much quicker 

 

Were either of these countries ever colonised?? Just coz they were defeated in WW-II, d one which they themselves started / voluntarily joined to show their superiority to the world, u think its d same as getting exploited / oppressed / looted / discriminated / deprived ???

 

5 hours ago, socrates said:

 

but what we do is praising our ancient glory and do nothing, if any one questions that attacks him, isnt it?

Do Nothing ?? Is that why you see an increase in literacy rate / economic growth / political stability / cultural changes such as being cautious abt population, practicing hygiene, adopting technology, being environmentally sensitive ??

 

5 hours ago, socrates said:

what facts are you talking about? are you even talking about inequality ratio? in 150cr population and you can find hardly 100 or 1000 uber rich people, so are you saying that is progress?

are you reading newspapers at-least? is there any progress in caste hatred or religion hatred or linguistic hatred?

i can say i am open minded because i see all things without favoritism and i dont need anyone approval for that

lets compare abt inequality ratio in Ind wid US, if you find it convenient:

The top 10% of the Indian population holds 77% of the total national wealth. 73% of the wealth generated in 2017 went to the richest 1%, while *670 million Indians who comprise the poorest half of the population saw only a 1% increase in their wealth.

In 2007, the top 20% of the wealthiest Americans possessed 80% of all financial assets.^[14] In 2007, the richest 1% of the American population owned 35% of the country's total wealth, and the next 19% owned 51%. The top 20% of Americans owned 86% of the country's wealth and the bottom 80% of the population owned 14%.

Does that make u feel better abt India's inequality ratio now?? the point i want to make here is .. when a developed country wid 1/5th of Ind's population but 3 times d size of Ind, can hv such economy inequality among its citizens, isnt Ind's condition reasonable ??

 

Coming to Newspapers, if u cant see articles talking abt hw women r turning in to entrepreneurs & becoming financially independent  / youth focusing on learning new skills & not limiting themselves only to STEM courses / govt & activists working together to bring in social reforms / ppl in general being more precautionary abt their lifestyle & focusing on health & fitness  /  multicultural societies / education taking front-seat in almost every family's priority list etc .. i dont think i can help u see that either!

Problem is wid perspectives bro .. if u want to be selective abt wat u want to see / learn .. u generally get more of that especially in today's world .. so just by saying that iam open minded doesnt mean anything unless u really hv d patience to look at d odr side of d coin!!