Polavaram Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 Bhimrao Ramji's teacher/master was a Brahmin named "Krishnaji Keshav Ambedkar", he gave his surname to Bhimrao(Scheduled Casette) Indian constitution draft reviewer(not real writer/author), and later it was conveniently used for conversions. . . Quote
tyrion123 Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 Ambedkar ... took buddhism ... in later life ... not christianity after figuring out that ... SC are nothing but the people who follow buddhism ... those buddhists did not accept to convert back to HInduism ... so they were expelled from the temple and society ... thats how they became untouchbales ... so when Ambedkar realised about this ... he changed his religon to Buddhism ... https://www.thequint.com/news/india/br-ambedkar-conversion-to-buddhism Quote
Iriswest Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 3 hours ago, tyrion123 said: Ambedkar ... took buddhism ... in later life ... not christianity after figuring out that ... SC are nothing but the people who follow buddhism ... those buddhists did not accept to convert back to HInduism ... so they were expelled from the temple and society ... thats how they became untouchbales ... so when Ambedkar realised about this ... he changed his religon to Buddhism ... https://www.thequint.com/news/india/br-ambedkar-conversion-to-buddhism History of untouchables is long before buddhism even existed. There was always a dalit caste for doing odd jobs that the other 4 varnas didn’t want to do or they were too far away from civilization to practice other caste practices. A large portion of dalits were hindus to begin with but them not being allowed into temples due to the work they do was unjust. This is the love hate relationship I have with India where castes are seen before people and contribution to society is never a factor in the respect one garners. Quote
tyrion123 Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 23 minutes ago, Iriswest said: History of untouchables is long before buddhism even existed. There was always a dalit caste for doing odd jobs that the other 4 varnas didn’t want to do or they were too far away from civilization to practice other caste practices. A large portion of dalits were hindus to begin with but them not being allowed into temples due to the work they do was unjust. This is the love hate relationship I have with India where castes are seen before people and contribution to society is never a factor in the respect one garners. first 3 lines of your statement are categorically false anna ... buddhism was flourishing and a major religion before 8th century ... adi sankaracharya .. revived and brought glory back to hindusim in 8th century ... from then ... those who failed to revert back to hindusim are expeleld from society ... n became the untouchables ... even shaivism is the religion of southern india .. after aryan migration .. lord vishnu came in ... and they merged these 2 in to one ... Quote
Iriswest Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 5 minutes ago, tyrion123 said: first 3 lines of your statement are categorically false anna ... buddhism was flourishing and a major religion before 8th century ... adi sankaracharya .. revived and brought glory back to hindusim in 8th century ... from then ... those who failed to revert back to hindusim are expeleld from society ... n became the untouchables ... even shaivism is the religion of southern india .. after aryan migration .. lord vishnu came in ... and they merged these 2 in to one ... Provide source anna. By your logic there were no untouchables before 8th century? Which caste was handling burning the corpses, making chappals from leather and cleaning sewages? They existed since hinduism came into existence. even if adi shankaracharya allowed converting buddhists back to hinduism , which caste would the converted hindus belong to? Quote
socrates Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 7 hours ago, tyrion123 said: Ambedkar ... took buddhism ... in later life ... not christianity after figuring out that ... SC are nothing but the people who follow buddhism ... those buddhists did not accept to convert back to HInduism ... so they were expelled from the temple and society ... thats how they became untouchbales ... so when Ambedkar realised about this ... he changed his religon to Buddhism ... https://www.thequint.com/news/india/br-ambedkar-conversion-to-buddhism 3 hours ago, Iriswest said: History of untouchables is long before buddhism even existed. There was always a dalit caste for doing odd jobs that the other 4 varnas didn’t want to do or they were too far away from civilization to practice other caste practices. A large portion of dalits were hindus to begin with but them not being allowed into temples due to the work they do was unjust. This is the love hate relationship I have with India where castes are seen before people and contribution to society is never a factor in the respect one garners. IMO In varna system Sudras were classified as “workers”, but it didnt say clearly what kind of work. “Workers” is the broader term, later sudras got it own internal classification and thrown out few unhygienic workers as “untouchables” example There are some decent works like Clothes weaving (పద్మశాలి) and clothes washing unhygienic work (చాకలి), you can notice the social treatment between them. Similarly treatment leads to untouchability depends on the level of unhygienic work such as leather workers, graveyard workers..etc Ambedkar views of treating buddhists as untouchable is one version but there are many many versions. I would say untouchability was there even before Gautham Buddha era. Before Aadi Shankaracharya there is no such thing as single Hindu religion. Shivam was one religion, vishnam was one religion, saktham was one religion many more small religions and school of thoughts were spread out as branches but all of them were under single umbrella such as sanathana. What Aadi shankarcharya did is combining all of them and established smarta (స్మార్ధా), because of his efforts we are seeing lord ganesha, vishnu, shiva and devi in a single temple. All we are practicing is స్మార్ధా. Why he didn’t allow buddhists to hinduism (స్మార్ధా) is ideological issues, such as both advitha and core buddism teaches the same but with some differences about “ I (నేను)”. Quote
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