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Just got off a meeting with a new hire and was flabbergasted how unskilled the worker was.

Talked around and it turns out she's someone in the department's wife.

This is like the 6th person I know that was hired because the person is a "friend or family" of an employee. All of them from India.

If they are skilled, I'd have no issues, but we have rejected several better candidates for these people.

Coming in with highly suspicious resumes. They need to be "trained" or "walked through" on pretty much everything. Rating their web development skill at a 9/10 and not knowing what a database is not acceptable.

Why did we layoff skilled workers... :*(

Lunch cafeteria looks more like a Mean Girls cafeteria than the Silicon Valley show.

Sorry just a bay area rant...

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chief-dvrsty-officer

1y ago
who you know > what you know

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ErbinSmith
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1y ago
Kind of explains how companies like Google stopped innovating.

They used to hire people for what they can contribute.

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black-kramer

1y ago
it happens to almost every successful company and I don't think it has as much to do with nepotism as size. they get really big and bureaucracy is a natural result. code and product complexity is a natural result. ownership of projects includes more and more stakeholders. stability is desired vs. breaking things and reinventing the wheel. the machine necessarily slows down to preserve itself and make investors happy.

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miyori

1y ago
The size problem also feeds into monopoly issues. Buy out competitors (which was working while the FTC was schmoozing with big business), acquire vertical supply lines (eg pharmacy benefit managers), squeeze suppliers (aka monopsony like Amazon). R&D is costly, so it's one of the first things to slash once they reach market saturation. They'd rather poach people and steal algorithms from their next best competitor, such as Apple vs Masimo (https://news.bloomberglaw.com/ip-law/apple-fights-to-block-masimos-new-watch-on-heels-of-import-ban)

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black-kramer

1y ago
doesn’t hurt that the big companies offer hefty exit packages for that knowledge. unless I was confident I was onto some paradigm shifting technology, I’d do the same thing, frankly.


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BlaxicanX

1y ago
Companies like Google stopped innovating because the natural consequence of publicly traded companies is that line must go up every 3 months and so with innovation having diminishing returns it becomes easier to just fuck the customer and find ways to cut costs then to continuously put out a better product.

This is going to be a shock to some people but the majority of mom and pop businesses are nepotistic. What is a "family-owned business" (something Americans famously adore) if not the definition of nepotism in action?

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badtux99

1y ago
Well, I work in one of those mom and pop businesses, and yes, the son of the VP of Engineering is a programmer here, and the daughter of the CEO is a sales manager here. But both are very good at their jobs because we can't afford to have deadweight here. The programmer graduated from Cal Tech (which is one of the heavyweights in engineering), the daughter started out as office manager and worked her way up by being good at her job. Most of the sons and daughters of company founders did not end up working in the company, either because their skills were not skills the company needed or because they went on to do other things, but nepotism provided a pool of talent that didn't require paying a recruiter and was helpful at getting the company started.

It's only these big companies that can afford to hire incompetents via nepotism.


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the_mighty_skeetadon

1y ago
Eh, Google is not really nepotistic -- only in exceptionally rare cases, in my experience as someone who has worked for Google for almost 10 years.

However, the incentives for executives to spend their headcount on more executives are very strong, and the executives they hire are frequently absolutely useless or otherwise bad. This trickles down to teams and makes them inefficient because you always have to be reorging in order to fit the power politics du jour, etc.

The entire company needs to be about shipping products and making awesome things for users -- focus on the user, and all else will follow. If we can return to that ethos, Google is still great at its core.

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crabsock

1y ago
Ya, I've also been at Google for 8+ years and I don't think I've ever met someone who works in the same department as a family member or anything like that. If anything I hear way more stories about how referrals are virtually worthless these days.


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Earl-The-Badger

1y ago
First time?

This is always how it’s been, and not only in tech or the Bay Area. It’s especially prominent here though.

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CasperLenono

1y ago
Welcome to the world, unfortunately. Cant think there’s many spheres of life where nepotism isn’t a thing.

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Most_Researcher_9675

1y ago
True dat. Humans being human...

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mayor-water

1y ago
George HW Bush...George W Bush

Pierre Trudeau...Justin Trudeau


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TheLGMac

1y ago
Yes, I can tell you after a decade in the Bay Area and now overseas, it's everywhere.

And unfortunately many family members expect it so even if you are a good person who doesn't believe in nepotism, you'll probably pay the price at home. I once told my sister no when she asked for me to refer her to the directors of a few companies I worked at in the bay, and I said no because I didn't feel confident referring her lack of experience. She continues to hold a grudge about it.

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Oakroscoe

1y ago
You did the right thing. I’ll happily put in a good word for someone who’s going to do a good job, but there’s no way I’m vouching for someone who isn’t capable of doing the job


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Rhythmalist

1y ago
Exactly.

In other news, the sky is blue and water is wet. Proceed accordingly.


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Precarious314159

1y ago
Right? Back when I worked for the County, they hired someone on as deputy director and the next 6 positions that were open, they were all filled by people the new deputy worked with from another County. Someone literally went from an entry-level position to running a branch after four months.

I just accept that anyone that's at their job just knows someone.

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Most_Researcher_9675

1y ago
The film 'Being There' with Peter Sellars, suddenly comes to mind...


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Jbeezy2-0

1y ago
Can relate, seen so many people promoted to positions supervising people who have no prior supervisoral experience and have no knowledge of what their employees do. 

Its a morale killer.


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oscarbearsf

1y ago
Especially prominent in the indian community as well. Have heard that they are pretty against others in lower castes too

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spike021

1y ago
My ex coworkers explained to me they can tell each other apart by names or skin tone. Sometimes Indians apparently will even change their names to avoid those connotations but that doesn't always work. 

It's nuts. 

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AttentionFar8731

1y ago
holy crap I have Indian co-workers who say the same, they're blatant about discriminating against their fellow Indians based on caste

I think they know none of us are aware enough to do anything about it, and when we've tried (Newsom vetoed a law) they claim we're discriminating against their culture lol

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lupinegray

1y ago
Their argument just boggles the mind.

"The anti caste-discrimination bill is anti-hindu because only Hindus will be punished by it"

Yeah, genius. That's because only Hindus are discriminating against lower castes.

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hozen17

1y ago
So is it like "the anti-racism bill is anti-white because only whites will be punished by it" speaking in 1960s terms? lol

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VoidVer

1y ago
That’s exactly how reported on KCRW explained the resistance to the bill actually


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GeneralAvocados

1y ago
Not just their culture, their religion as well. That said, insofar as their culture and religion are defined by class based discrimination it's contrary to America's core values and laws. Culture and religious based discrimination is and should remain.


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NorCalAthlete

1y ago
Yeah, because then if you’ve changed your name it indicates a reason for changing it anyway. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t for them.


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chocolatestealth

1y ago
It's bad enough that there was a bill introduced last year to ban caste discrimination in California. Newsom vetoed it though for being "unnecessary"...

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luquoo

1y ago
Didnt realize he vetoed it.  Was the argument that caste discrimination was already banned or something? Or did he just cave to pressure from the upper castes.

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TheLGMac

1y ago
My understanding was that (a) it's already protected by existing civil rights legislation and (b) there was concern that it was too racially targeted and would formally mention in law a concept that is not a recognized US federal or state societal structure (castes).

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darkslide3000

1y ago
and would formally mention in law a concept that is not a recognized US federal or state societal structure (castes).

Isn't that the point? This is a problem that the US didn't really have to deal with back when anti-discrimination laws were originally designed, but now that it becomes more prominent it absolutely should be enshrined right next to all the other protected categories.


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1y ago
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Right. There's a reason why "It's not what you know, it's who you know" is a common saying.


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retro_dabble

1y ago

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I’m at a small startup that literally has the founder’s daughter in the company. And several other employees/interns are students of his wife at the local university. Crazy…

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Naramie

1y ago
My previous company was this way. CEO's son was an intern for a couple months while he was in high school. He didn't do anything other than shadow his dad and sit in on team meetings. He later went to college and got his MBA. After getting his MBA, his dad brought him on as a VP. To this day I have no idea what the guy actually did aside from follow his dad around, sit in on meetings, and collect a big paycheck.

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MidnightPopular7324

1y ago
Is this the plot from Succession? 😆 in all seriousness though, nepotism at its finest for sure


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papasmurf255

1y ago
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Isn't that what most vps do? 😂


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left-nostril

1y ago
If I ever see a company with a high schooler “interning” there, im going to hard pass on that place, when there’s more than enough qualified university students for that position.

This goes for EVERY field.

I’m an industrial designer, a company I wanted to intern at had “no open internship positions”.

But had a high schooler interning there.

Like damn near rediculous.


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Princess_Fluffypants

1y ago
One of the secretary/office managers at my day job is the CTO’s daughter. 

TBH she’s not bad at her job, perfectly competent and easy to get along with.  So it’s not really a problem, but it is common in every industry. 

We’ve seen plenty of employees kids cycle through here for internships as well. 

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GeneralAvocados

1y ago
Secretary/office managers and interns are pretty low on the totem pole. I find that to be more tolerable than people getting rapid raises and promotions based on personal connections. How they got in the door is less important than how they perform and the rewards they earn or did not earn.


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PM_ME_C_CODE

1y ago
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It's how I got my first internship.

Of course, my dad forced me to put down a false name on my resume and answer to it during the interview. The HR lady knew what was going on, but the guy I ended up working under didn't know I was a VP's kid until like week-2 when my dad got back from a business trip.

It just so happened that I didn't have any competition. But the web-guy wanted an intern during intern-season so help with some menial upkeep tasks while he worked on re-building something.

...and I got to work in an air-conditioned office and have lunch with my father 5 days a week for $9/hour during the summer instead of going back to McDonalds or mowing lawns...again.


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CleanLivingBoi

1y ago
All in the family. No different from those mom and pop restaurants where everyone working there was related somehow. Except this is high tech and that was food.


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theineffablebob

1y ago
Has always been common. I’ve seen entire teams made up of people who grew up in the same city in a different country

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bigheadasian1998

1y ago
Cough cough india

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shnieder88

1y ago
so much so that there's lawsuits going on about racism from desi staff towards other people lol


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Fur1nr

1y ago
I never really encountered this having been in Bay Area tech for the past few years until I interviewed with a certain industry leading big box retailer. They were/are hiring like crazy, I interviewed for 5 different roles and made it to various rounds, probably interviewed with 15 different people, but there was 0 diversity in the hiring panel. Literally everyone was an Indian male who came over in the past 5-6 years. It was honestly mind blowing.

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Coming in with highly suspicious resumes. They need to be "trained" or "walked through" on pretty much everything. Rating their web development skill at a 9/10 and not knowing what a database is not acceptable.

 

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mostly bullshit. 

 

I've done hiring at a couple FAANG companies and our interview feedback would be stripped of any gendered language and then the feedback from the 5 random interviewers would be sent to a hiring committee who never interacted with the candidate. Race and gender might help you get an interview (recruiters might be filtering for it on LinkedIn) but they have absolutely no bearing on whether or not you get the job. On the committee we don't have access to that information

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