DonnyStrumpet Posted March 6 Author Report Posted March 6 25 minutes ago, sarfaroshi2 said: According to you tell which religion is best and give your reasons as well Honestly, it could be Bias. But Hinduism worshipped nature in every form. Thats my yardstick. In addition to elements of nature It’s also the only religion that worshipped rivers, mountains, animals, and even trees. Whether it’s Ganges, meru, Tulasi and cows. Also we have female gods. I didn’t see any other religion doing the same. I will change my opinion if someone proves me otherwise. Very open to hear the merits of other religion. Quote
rational Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 9 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said: God didn't say it himself in Quran. Christianity lo adhi new testament to add chesindhi. It's not in the Old testament. Only Krishna says it explicitly that he's God. Bhagadvadgita: it was dictated by vyasa and lord ganesha wrote it according to hindu belief system. So hindus can claim that it is Vyasa who spread the krishna words. Not krishna himself. Quran : Angel Gabriel appeared to Mohammed and conveyed "GOD WORDS" and mohammed spread these words. ""Allah! There is no god but He, - the Living, The Self-subsisting, Eternal" So technically these are words from GOD and he is claiming that there is no god but he. I have to look into old testament to confirm about christianity. Quote
Sam480 Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 7 minutes ago, rational said: Bhagadvadgita: it was dictated by vyasa and lord ganesha wrote it according to hindu belief system. So hindus can claim that it is Vyasa who spread the krishna words. Not krishna himself. Quran : Angel Gabriel appeared to Mohammed and conveyed "GOD WORDS" and mohammed spread these words. ""Allah! There is no god but He, - the Living, The Self-subsisting, Eternal" So technically these are words from GOD and he is claiming that there is no god but he. I have to look into old testament to confirm about christianity. I think old testment is before christ and new testment is after christ, you might not find anything about xtianity in old testment Quote
dasari4kntr Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 23 minutes ago, Sam480 said: I think old testment is before christ and new testment is after christ, you might not find anything about xtianity in old testment old testament…based out book of genesis ..which was part of jews torah… later…they eliminated few things and came up with new testament… Quote
Sam480 Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 2 minutes ago, dasari4kntr said: old testament…based out book of genesis ..which was part of jews torah… later…they eliminated few things and came up with new testament… The Old Testament has 39 books, while the New Testament has 27. The Old Testament is the first section of the Bible, and the New Testament is the second. Old Testament books: Documents Israel's history from creation to the birth of Jesus Includes the Pentateuch (Torah), historical books, "wisdom" books, and the prophets Written in Biblical Hebrew The basis of the Christian and Jewish faiths New Testament books: Includes the Gospels, Acts of the Apostles, Epistles, and Apocalypse The Gospels tell the story of Jesus (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) The Epistles were written by Christian leaders to guide early church communities Covers the period of time after the Old Testament Written in Greek between 50 and 120 AD The Old Testament is based on the 24 books of the Hebrew Bible, or Tanakh. The New Testament is not part of the Hebrew Bible. Quote
dasari4kntr Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 4 minutes ago, Sam480 said: The Old Testament has 39 books, while the New Testament has 27. The Old Testament is the first section of the Bible, and the New Testament is the second. Old Testament books: Documents Israel's history from creation to the birth of Jesus Includes the Pentateuch (Torah), historical books, "wisdom" books, and the prophets Written in Biblical Hebrew The basis of the Christian and Jewish faiths New Testament books: Includes the Gospels, Acts of the Apostles, Epistles, and Apocalypse The Gospels tell the story of Jesus (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) The Epistles were written by Christian leaders to guide early church communities Covers the period of time after the Old Testament Written in Greek between 50 and 120 AD The Old Testament is based on the 24 books of the Hebrew Bible, or Tanakh. The New Testament is not part of the Hebrew Bible. yup…thats what i am saying…they get rid of the jewish references in new testament… 1 Quote
CanadianMalodu Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 57 minutes ago, rational said: Bhagadvadgita: it was dictated by vyasa and lord ganesha wrote it according to hindu belief system. So hindus can claim that it is Vyasa who spread the krishna words. Not krishna himself. Quran : Angel Gabriel appeared to Mohammed and conveyed "GOD WORDS" and mohammed spread these words. ""Allah! There is no god but He, - the Living, The Self-subsisting, Eternal" So technically these are words from GOD and he is claiming that there is no god but he. I have to look into old testament to confirm about christianity. That doesn't absolve Gita from claiming Krishna is God. Vyasa got it written or he wrote is different thing, but the conversation has always been in first person in Gita. It's always Krishna who does the talking in Gita. Gita is very clear in that sense. Krishna tells he is God. Nothing abstract about it. Abrahamic faiths have a third person (a prophet) telling you who God is and what supposedly God told him. Even in the new testament quote that Jesus stating he and father are one isn't explicit enough to call him God. Quote
rational Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 10 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said: Non violence was never the core tenet of Hindusim. You're asking the right question. I think of all religions, Hindusim has one thing clearly. Just like other old European religions, Gods and mortals are delineated. Krishna clearly tells that he's God. Neither Buddhism, nor Abrahamic faiths said anything like that. 10 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said: God didn't say it himself in Quran. Christianity lo adhi new testament to add chesindhi. It's not in the Old testament. Only Krishna says it explicitly that he's God. 39 minutes ago, Sam480 said: I think old testment is before christ and new testment is after christ, you might not find anything about xtianity in old testment i was referring to it in general terms as canadian brought it up in our conversation. I think concept of christianity is also derived from the belief of one GOD in old testament. It doesnt specifically say about jesus but the concept of One god and no other god exists is derived from old testament. Deuteronomy 4:35 and 39 states, "Unto thee it was shown, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him. Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else." Deuteronomy 6:4, known as the Shema, declares, "Hear, O Israel: The LORD thy God is one LORD." Isaiah 43:10 and 11 also emphasizes God's uniqueness, saying, "Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no savior." Quote
dasari4kntr Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 ఓరినీ…ఇప్పుడే చూసా thread లో…నన్ను అభిమానించే నా attention seeker హౌలే నా కామెంట్ కోసం పరితపిస్తున్నాడు అని… పోయి వేరే పనికొచ్చే పని చూసుకో రా బోసడే…నీ మెదడు మొత్తం నేనే ఉన్నట్టుంది…అంతగా disturb చేసానా ….lol 😂 Quote
vorey_peteruuu Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 1 hour ago, rational said: Bhagadvadgita: it was dictated by vyasa and lord ganesha wrote it according to hindu belief system. So hindus can claim that it is Vyasa who spread the krishna words. Not krishna himself. Quran : Angel Gabriel appeared to Mohammed and conveyed "GOD WORDS" and mohammed spread these words. ""Allah! There is no god but He, - the Living, The Self-subsisting, Eternal" So technically these are words from GOD and he is claiming that there is no god but he. I have to look into old testament to confirm about christianity. schizophrenic vyasa n mohd Quote
rational Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 45 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said: That doesn't absolve Gita from claiming Krishna is God. Vyasa got it written or he wrote is different thing, but the conversation has always been in first person in Gita. It's always Krishna who does the talking in Gita. Gita is very clear in that sense. Krishna tells he is God. Nothing abstract about it. Abrahamic faiths have a third person (a prophet) telling you who God is and what supposedly God told him. Even in the new testament quote that Jesus stating he and father are one isn't explicit enough to call him God. yes it doesnt absolve gita , neither abrahimic faiths from the concept of "I am the only GOD" Quran. He sends down the angels, with the inspiration of His command, upon whom He wills of His servants, [telling them], “Warn that there is no deity except Me; so fear Me. (17:42) Indeed, I am Allah. There is no deity except Me, so worship Me and establish prayer for My remembrance. (20:98) And We sent not before you any messenger except that We revealed to him that, “There is no deity except Me, so worship Me (21:87) If we believe gabriel is saying talking as third person the verse would be like this So exalted is Allah, the Sovereign, the Truth; there is no deity except Him, Lord of the Noble Throne. (27:26) Quote
halwafan Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 As a theology it’s one of the best, the way it’s being practiced today, either it needs to be thrown out or need a complete revival.. Quote
rational Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 9 minutes ago, halwafan said: As a theology it’s one of the best, the way it’s being practiced today, either it needs to be thrown out or need a complete revival.. If you believe old practices are best then study manusmriti. parasara smrithi. The newer way is more liberal than the old ones. Quote
CanadianMalodu Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 16 minutes ago, rational said: yes it doesnt absolve gita , neither abrahimic faiths from the concept of "I am the only GOD" Quran. He sends down the angels, with the inspiration of His command, upon whom He wills of His servants, [telling them], “Warn that there is no deity except Me; so fear Me. (17:42) Indeed, I am Allah. There is no deity except Me, so worship Me and establish prayer for My remembrance. (20:98) And We sent not before you any messenger except that We revealed to him that, “There is no deity except Me, so worship Me (21:87) If we believe gabriel is saying talking as third person the verse would be like this So exalted is Allah, the Sovereign, the Truth; there is no deity except Him, Lord of the Noble Throne. (27:26) And where did Abrahamic god reveal himself? Krishna did, in that sense. Quote
rational Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 12 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said: God didn't say it himself in Quran. Christianity lo adhi new testament to add chesindhi. It's not in the Old testament. Only Krishna says it explicitly that he's God. we are discussing about the concept" I am the God and i am the only God". U said only krishna said that but so do allah. my verses in previous post proves that allah also claims that he is the only god. talking about revelations there were few specific incidents according to quran, allah reveals himself to people using various methods. "sura 42:51-52 states, "It is not fitting for a man that Allah should speak to him except by inspiration, or from behind a veil, or by the sending of a Messenger to reveal, with Allah's permission, what Allah wills: for He is Most High, Most Wise." "And when Moses arrived at Our appointed time and his Lord spoke to him, he said, "My Lord, show me [Yourself] that I may look at You." [Allah] said, "You will not see Me, but look at the mountain; if it should remain in place, then you will see Me." But when his Lord appeared to the mountain, He rendered it level, and Moses fell unconscious. And when he awoke, he said, "Exalted are You! I have repented to You, and I am the first of the believers." Quran has different concept of God revelation and Gita has different approach. My point is not about revelations its about these religious gods claiming that " i am the only GOD." Quote
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