Is India ever going to change? Or should I just leave already?

[Moon_Walker]

 

M30, based out of Bangalore, married, working wife, middle class, household income ~60L. On paper, we’re doing fine. But the quality of life makes me question if living in India is even worth it anymore.

1. The infrastructure is beyond pathetic. I live in Horemavu (Bangalore) — it takes me 40 minutes to cover 3 kms (I already feel drained by the time I reach my office). Every road has either bottlenecks, broken or dug up. Construction is never-ending. Projects start, but never finish. Where’s the accountability?

All this when the road tax of Bangalore is highest in the country.
I paid ₹2.25L more in road tax vs that I would have paid in Delhi. And what do I get in return? Craters for roads, traffic nightmares, and constant construction. This is pure daylight robbery.

2. We pay massive taxes and get NOTHING back. 30-40% of our income goes in taxes. Add GST on every thing. And what do we get? No free healthcare, no decent education, not even reliable water. We have to pay separately for private schools, private hospitals. Even for water tankers. 30-40% tax and we still have to buy water? The middle class is just getting milked dry with nothing in return.

In countries like Canada or Germany, I’d pay the same tax — but I’d get free healthcare, solid education, public infrastructure that actually works, and a shot at a better life (AQI less than 20).

3. Quality of life is just sad. Dust everywhere. Noise. Stress. Road rage is normal. You can’t walk peacefully, you can’t breathe clean air. I don’t feel safe sending my wife out alone after 7 PM.

4. Almost every Government department is corrupt Needed a marriage certificate — had to pay ₹2,000 as a “tip” just to get it done after they rejected the application without any credible reason. If you don’t pay, you’re stuck running around in circles. Nothing moves unless you bribe the babus. No wonder the richest people in India are the politicians?

5. Everything’s getting absurdly expensive. Rent is up by 10% this year. School fees are insane. House helps are asking for raises (I don’t blame them one bit). The expenses are increasing way faster than our household income.

I genuinely want to contribute to this country. I want to stay and build something here. But it just feels like the system is set up to squeeze the working class. I have formed an opinion that every single rupee we pay in tax goes to fill the coffers of politicians. We will work 80 hours work weeks while politicians can print the invitation card of marriage of their offsprings in gold.

I’m honestly asking — is there any hope left? Or am I just being naive thinking things will improve?

Edit 1- A lot of debate on whether I’m middle class or rich. That’s not the point. Please consider I’m rich if that helps. All I’m asking is how is it fair? How can the situation change? How can we get better infra, better return for the taxes we all are paying, higher accountability by the government, better safety for me and my family?

[DonnyStrumpet]

India is a gone case. Real estate bubble drives our economy and quality of life. 

[JerseyBidda]

3 minutes ago, Moon_Walker said:

 

M30, based out of Bangalore, married, working wife, middle class, household income ~60L. On paper, we’re doing fine. But the quality of life makes me question if living in India is even worth it anymore.

1. The infrastructure is beyond pathetic. I live in Horemavu (Bangalore) — it takes me 40 minutes to cover 3 kms (I already feel drained by the time I reach my office). Every road has either bottlenecks, broken or dug up. Construction is never-ending. Projects start, but never finish. Where’s the accountability?

All this when the road tax of Bangalore is highest in the country.
I paid ₹2.25L more in road tax vs that I would have paid in Delhi. And what do I get in return? Craters for roads, traffic nightmares, and constant construction. This is pure daylight robbery.

2. We pay massive taxes and get NOTHING back. 30-40% of our income goes in taxes. Add GST on every thing. And what do we get? No free healthcare, no decent education, not even reliable water. We have to pay separately for private schools, private hospitals. Even for water tankers. 30-40% tax and we still have to buy water? The middle class is just getting milked dry with nothing in return.

In countries like Canada or Germany, I’d pay the same tax — but I’d get free healthcare, solid education, public infrastructure that actually works, and a shot at a better life (AQI less than 20).

3. Quality of life is just sad. Dust everywhere. Noise. Stress. Road rage is normal. You can’t walk peacefully, you can’t breathe clean air. I don’t feel safe sending my wife out alone after 7 PM.

4. Almost every Government department is corrupt Needed a marriage certificate — had to pay ₹2,000 as a “tip” just to get it done after they rejected the application without any credible reason. If you don’t pay, you’re stuck running around in circles. Nothing moves unless you bribe the babus. No wonder the richest people in India are the politicians?

5. Everything’s getting absurdly expensive. Rent is up by 10% this year. School fees are insane. House helps are asking for raises (I don’t blame them one bit). The expenses are increasing way faster than our household income.

I genuinely want to contribute to this country. I want to stay and build something here. But it just feels like the system is set up to squeeze the working class. I have formed an opinion that every single rupee we pay in tax goes to fill the coffers of politicians. We will work 80 hours work weeks while politicians can print the invitation card of marriage of their offsprings in gold.

I’m honestly asking — is there any hope left? Or am I just being naive thinking things will improve?

Edit 1- A lot of debate on whether I’m middle class or rich. That’s not the point. Please consider I’m rich if that helps. All I’m asking is how is it fair? How can the situation change? How can we get better infra, better return for the taxes we all are paying, higher accountability by the government, better safety for me and my family?

Everyone has this problem! Rootcause of politician corruption is due to dumb followers. 

All political party worker registrations must be suspended and ban parties from having party workers. Citizens time is wasting on this since decades. Ironically no one talked about it so far.

[DonnyStrumpet]

1 minute ago, JerseyBidda said:

Everyone has this problem! Rootcause of politician corruption is due to dumb followers. 

All political party worker registrations must be suspended and ban parties from having party workers. Citizens time is wasting on this since decades. Ironically no one talked about it so far.

Yes citizens are very innocent? Try to win an election without spending money in India. It’s impossible. Try to go against freebies and win an election in India. It’s impossible. Not a single business person I know pays proper taxes in India. Yet we all want India to develop. Lol
 

It’s a chicken and egg story. 

[aratipandu]

3 minutes ago, Moon_Walker said:

 

M30, based out of Bangalore, married, working wife, middle class, household income ~60L. On paper, we’re doing fine. But the quality of life makes me question if living in India is even worth it anymore.

1. The infrastructure is beyond pathetic. I live in Horemavu (Bangalore) — it takes me 40 minutes to cover 3 kms (I already feel drained by the time I reach my office). Every road has either bottlenecks, broken or dug up. Construction is never-ending. Projects start, but never finish. Where’s the accountability?

All this when the road tax of Bangalore is highest in the country.
I paid ₹2.25L more in road tax vs that I would have paid in Delhi. And what do I get in return? Craters for roads, traffic nightmares, and constant construction. This is pure daylight robbery.

2. We pay massive taxes and get NOTHING back. 30-40% of our income goes in taxes. Add GST on every thing. And what do we get? No free healthcare, no decent education, not even reliable water. We have to pay separately for private schools, private hospitals. Even for water tankers. 30-40% tax and we still have to buy water? The middle class is just getting milked dry with nothing in return.

In countries like Canada or Germany, I’d pay the same tax — but I’d get free healthcare, solid education, public infrastructure that actually works, and a shot at a better life (AQI less than 20).

3. Quality of life is just sad. Dust everywhere. Noise. Stress. Road rage is normal. You can’t walk peacefully, you can’t breathe clean air. I don’t feel safe sending my wife out alone after 7 PM.

4. Almost every Government department is corrupt Needed a marriage certificate — had to pay ₹2,000 as a “tip” just to get it done after they rejected the application without any credible reason. If you don’t pay, you’re stuck running around in circles. Nothing moves unless you bribe the babus. No wonder the richest people in India are the politicians?

5. Everything’s getting absurdly expensive. Rent is up by 10% this year. School fees are insane. House helps are asking for raises (I don’t blame them one bit). The expenses are increasing way faster than our household income.

I genuinely want to contribute to this country. I want to stay and build something here. But it just feels like the system is set up to squeeze the working class. I have formed an opinion that every single rupee we pay in tax goes to fill the coffers of politicians. We will work 80 hours work weeks while politicians can print the invitation card of marriage of their offsprings in gold.

I’m honestly asking — is there any hope left? Or am I just being naive thinking things will improve?

Edit 1- A lot of debate on whether I’m middle class or rich. That’s not the point. Please consider I’m rich if that helps. All I’m asking is how is it fair? How can the situation change? How can we get better infra, better return for the taxes we all are paying, higher accountability by the government, better safety for me and my family?

Veedu...veedi munda edupu....prathi point ki na daggara counter undhi:

1) 60 l earning antunnadu, office just 3kms only antunnadu....daily uber or auto lo povacchu ga bandi teese badhulu....cheap lo aypoddhi and driving related stress undadhu assala...driver gadu chuskuntaadu

2) US lo kuda we pay massive taxes but not entitled to anything such as social security, Medicare, medicaid, unemployment benefits etc but yet we have to pay taxes...babu ki ivem telidhu papam.

3) veedi pellam night ayyaka oorantha tiragocchu carefree ga anukuntunnada enti US lo?? US cities lo cheekati paddaka downtown ki ellamanu, aada maga theda ledhu andharu fasak ee

4) there you bribe the babus illegally, here you pay to USCIS, consultancy mestris, universities etc legally...barbershop same, blade is different anthe

5) House help undhi santoshinchamanu...ikkada evadi dhi aade kadukkovali...also private school fees are insane in US too.

Inka emaina points miss ayyi unte world's 4th largest economy Cali boyz @Jatka Bandi and @Konebhar6 occhi cover chestaaru.

[Bulls_Rose]

Meanwhile, moving back permanent vlogs

[DonnyStrumpet]

5 minutes ago, aratipandu said:

Veedu...veedi munda edupu....prathi point ki na daggara counter undhi:

1) 60 l earning antunnadu, office just 3kms only antunnadu....daily uber or auto lo povacchu ga bandi teese badhulu....cheap lo aypoddhi and driving related stress undadhu assala...driver gadu chuskuntaadu

2) US lo kuda we pay massive taxes but not entitled to anything such as social security, Medicare, medicaid, unemployment benefits etc but yet we have to pay taxes...babu ki ivem telidhu papam.

3) veedi pellam night ayyaka oorantha tiragocchu carefree ga anukuntunnada enti US lo?? US cities lo cheekati paddaka downtown ki ellamanu, aada maga theda ledhu andharu fasak ee

4) there you bribe the babus illegally, here you pay to USCIS, consultancy mestris, universities etc legally...barbershop same, blade is different anthe

5) House help undhi santoshinchamanu...ikkada evadi dhi aade kadukkovali...also private school fees are insane in US too.

Inka emaina points miss ayyi unte world's 4th largest economy Cali boyz @Jatka Bandi and @Konebhar6 occhi cover chestaaru.

If I pay taxes genuinely, can I expect decent roads in India? Does govt provide food stamps in India if you are poor? Lastly, can you expect a cop to knock at your door within 15 minutes after a phone call? How many schools in India has playgrounds and gyms for kids? 
 

These are all basics. Not even asking for big infrastructure things. 
 

I think we should set our patriotism aside. We need to think about this holistically. India needs a big turn around. I don’t expect changes to happen overnight. But we should start progressing in the right direction soon. 

[futureofandhra]

13 minutes ago, Moon_Walker said:

 

M30, based out of Bangalore, married, working wife, middle class, household income ~60L. On paper, we’re doing fine. But the quality of life makes me question if living in India is even worth it anymore.

1. The infrastructure is beyond pathetic. I live in Horemavu (Bangalore) — it takes me 40 minutes to cover 3 kms (I already feel drained by the time I reach my office). Every road has either bottlenecks, broken or dug up. Construction is never-ending. Projects start, but never finish. Where’s the accountability?

All this when the road tax of Bangalore is highest in the country.
I paid ₹2.25L more in road tax vs that I would have paid in Delhi. And what do I get in return? Craters for roads, traffic nightmares, and constant construction. This is pure daylight robbery.

2. We pay massive taxes and get NOTHING back. 30-40% of our income goes in taxes. Add GST on every thing. And what do we get? No free healthcare, no decent education, not even reliable water. We have to pay separately for private schools, private hospitals. Even for water tankers. 30-40% tax and we still have to buy water? The middle class is just getting milked dry with nothing in return.

In countries like Canada or Germany, I’d pay the same tax — but I’d get free healthcare, solid education, public infrastructure that actually works, and a shot at a better life (AQI less than 20).

3. Quality of life is just sad. Dust everywhere. Noise. Stress. Road rage is normal. You can’t walk peacefully, you can’t breathe clean air. I don’t feel safe sending my wife out alone after 7 PM.

4. Almost every Government department is corrupt Needed a marriage certificate — had to pay ₹2,000 as a “tip” just to get it done after they rejected the application without any credible reason. If you don’t pay, you’re stuck running around in circles. Nothing moves unless you bribe the babus. No wonder the richest people in India are the politicians?

5. Everything’s getting absurdly expensive. Rent is up by 10% this year. School fees are insane. House helps are asking for raises (I don’t blame them one bit). The expenses are increasing way faster than our household income.

I genuinely want to contribute to this country. I want to stay and build something here. But it just feels like the system is set up to squeeze the working class. I have formed an opinion that every single rupee we pay in tax goes to fill the coffers of politicians. We will work 80 hours work weeks while politicians can print the invitation card of marriage of their offsprings in gold.

I’m honestly asking — is there any hope left? Or am I just being naive thinking things will improve?

Edit 1- A lot of debate on whether I’m middle class or rich. That’s not the point. Please consider I’m rich if that helps. All I’m asking is how is it fair? How can the situation change? How can we get better infra, better return for the taxes we all are paying, higher accountability by the government, better safety for me and my family?

okkasari medical issues vassthey telusthadhi effect ento

[Mr Mirchi]

17 minutes ago, JerseyBidda said:

Everyone has this problem! Rootcause of politician corruption is due to dumb followers. 

All political party worker registrations must be suspended and ban parties from having party workers. Citizens time is wasting on this since decades. Ironically no one talked about it so far.

e grp lo well educated dumb followers baane vunnaaru ga mari

 

thappuni thappu analeru..endhukoooooo

[AndhraneedSCS]

At a moderate walking pace, it typically takes 30 to 37 minutes to walk 3 kilometers. This is a common distance for many walks, including charity events. 

 

 

[aratipandu]

4 minutes ago, DonnyStrumpet said:

If I pay taxes genuinely, can I expect decent roads in India? Does govt provide food stamps in India if you are poor? Lastly, can you expect a cop to knock at your door within 15 minutes after a phone call? How many schools in India has playgrounds and gyms for kids? 
 

These are all basics. Not even asking for big infrastructure things. 
 

I think we should set our patriotism aside. We need to think about this holistically. India needs a big turn around. I don’t expect changes to happen overnight. But we should start progressing in the right direction soon. 

nuvvu cheppina points anni correct ee...oppukunta...patriotism bokka em levu anna, only pragmatism.

India lo undadam lo unde advantages kuda unnay....like close to family, great social life, having domestic help etc...they shouldn't be conveniently overlooked...why else would so many uncles here dream about going back to India someday if everything is bad?

I agree that India needs a big turnaround kani nuvvu anukuntunna turnaround kaadhu. When that turn around happens Indian cities will get more congested and polluted...India needs GDP per capita growth, only heavy industrialization can achieve that...Ikkada laaga Green energy, environment ani kaburlu chepte kudharadhu...

[Pahelwan4]

19 minutes ago, aratipandu said:

Veedu...veedi munda edupu....prathi point ki na daggara counter undhi:

1) 60 l earning antunnadu, office just 3kms only antunnadu....daily uber or auto lo povacchu ga bandi teese badhulu....cheap lo aypoddhi and driving related stress undadhu assala...driver gadu chuskuntaadu

2) US lo kuda we pay massive taxes but not entitled to anything such as social security, Medicare, medicaid, unemployment benefits etc but yet we have to pay taxes...babu ki ivem telidhu papam.

3) veedi pellam night ayyaka oorantha tiragocchu carefree ga anukuntunnada enti US lo?? US cities lo cheekati paddaka downtown ki ellamanu, aada maga theda ledhu andharu fasak ee

4) there you bribe the babus illegally, here you pay to USCIS, consultancy mestris, universities etc legally...barbershop same, blade is different anthe

5) House help undhi santoshinchamanu...ikkada evadi dhi aade kadukkovali...also private school fees are insane in US too.

Inka emaina points miss ayyi unte world's 4th largest economy Cali boyz @Jatka Bandi and @Konebhar6 occhi cover chestaaru.

Accept the fact India is fooked up country. Oka vote ki note donga gadini cm chesinaru ra babu bad mentality, everyone feels they are thope, okkadiki kuda helping nature undadu, responsibility undadu, dirty roads, corruption at peaks. No honesty, 0 customer service. 

[CanadianMalodu]

31 minutes ago, Moon_Walker said:

 

M30, based out of Bangalore, married, working wife, middle class, household income ~60L. On paper, we’re doing fine. But the quality of life makes me question if living in India is even worth it anymore.

1. The infrastructure is beyond pathetic. I live in Horemavu (Bangalore) — it takes me 40 minutes to cover 3 kms (I already feel drained by the time I reach my office). Every road has either bottlenecks, broken or dug up. Construction is never-ending. Projects start, but never finish. Where’s the accountability?

All this when the road tax of Bangalore is highest in the country.
I paid ₹2.25L more in road tax vs that I would have paid in Delhi. And what do I get in return? Craters for roads, traffic nightmares, and constant construction. This is pure daylight robbery.

2. We pay massive taxes and get NOTHING back. 30-40% of our income goes in taxes. Add GST on every thing. And what do we get? No free healthcare, no decent education, not even reliable water. We have to pay separately for private schools, private hospitals. Even for water tankers. 30-40% tax and we still have to buy water? The middle class is just getting milked dry with nothing in return.

In countries like Canada or Germany, I’d pay the same tax — but I’d get free healthcare, solid education, public infrastructure that actually works, and a shot at a better life (AQI less than 20).

3. Quality of life is just sad. Dust everywhere. Noise. Stress. Road rage is normal. You can’t walk peacefully, you can’t breathe clean air. I don’t feel safe sending my wife out alone after 7 PM.

4. Almost every Government department is corrupt Needed a marriage certificate — had to pay ₹2,000 as a “tip” just to get it done after they rejected the application without any credible reason. If you don’t pay, you’re stuck running around in circles. Nothing moves unless you bribe the babus. No wonder the richest people in India are the politicians?

5. Everything’s getting absurdly expensive. Rent is up by 10% this year. School fees are insane. House helps are asking for raises (I don’t blame them one bit). The expenses are increasing way faster than our household income.

I genuinely want to contribute to this country. I want to stay and build something here. But it just feels like the system is set up to squeeze the working class. I have formed an opinion that every single rupee we pay in tax goes to fill the coffers of politicians. We will work 80 hours work weeks while politicians can print the invitation card of marriage of their offsprings in gold.

I’m honestly asking — is there any hope left? Or am I just being naive thinking things will improve?

Edit 1- A lot of debate on whether I’m middle class or rich. That’s not the point. Please consider I’m rich if that helps. All I’m asking is how is it fair? How can the situation change? How can we get better infra, better return for the taxes we all are paying, higher accountability by the government, better safety for me and my family?

Bidda teliyaka edho Canada, Germany antunnadu. Vasthe Assam ani ardham avthadhi. 

 

[Pahelwan4]

5 minutes ago, aratipandu said:

nuvvu cheppina points anni correct ee...oppukunta...patriotism bokka em levu anna, only pragmatism.

India lo undadam lo unde advantages kuda unnay....like close to family, great social life, having domestic help etc...they shouldn't be conveniently overlooked...why else would so many uncles here dream about going back to India someday if everything is bad?

I agree that India needs a big turnaround kani nuvvu anukuntunna turnaround kaadhu. When that turn around happens Indian cities will get more congested and polluted...India needs GDP per capita growth, only heavy industrialization can achieve that...Ikkada laaga Green energy, environment ani kaburlu chepte kudharadhu...

Eee rendu thappa em dikkuledu India la. If I had a chance, family motham ni dimpesi ram ram cheptunde India ki

[aratipandu]

4 minutes ago, Pahelwan4 said:

Accept the fact India is fooked up country. Oka vote ki note donga gadini cm chesinaru ra babu bad mentality, everyone feels they are thope, okkadiki kuda helping nature undadu, responsibility undadu, dirty roads, corruption at peaks. No honesty, 0 customer service. 

andhuke kadha anna...jump aypoyi occhi ikkada kurchunnam....kottha ga emaina unte cheppu