Fifth-Gen Stealth Fighter Jet Plan Cleared: How It Will Give India A Strategic Edge

[Android_Halwa]

7 minutes ago, Raisins_72 said:

Again this will be imported right ? Probably need few until we deliver.

They are going for indigenous and once they built one, the next versions should be easier for us to make in the future. 

SAAB offered tech transfer and of the hundred plane order, they evinced interest to set up assembly line in India. 
 

Grippen is not stealth, but with tech transfer, we do not have to go back to the drawing room. Ade tech use chesi, we could have mass produced…

In contrast to Su-30 MKi’s, ordered 270 fighters from Russia. 70 bought iff the shelf and 200 of them assembled in India but we did not had a tech transfer. Had we had tech transfer than, today we would have built a jet based on that tech. 

[enigmatic]

aa prototypes finish ayyesariki mana andaram retire avutam lekunte photos lo vuntamu 😀

[kakatiya]

19 minutes ago, Raisins_72 said:

 

15k crores is not bad for 5 model prototypes, no ? and the project is until 2035, not a big deal I believe when it comes to budget. 

Impossible with how HAL is handling tejas mark ii. 2017 lo ne delayed project adhi. We are now in year 2025. 

Even out air force commander has lost credibility on HAL production lines. 

 

Inko dikkumalina organisation okati vundi

NAL ani. Vaadu saras project ni 37 years nunchi running. Several crores spent on nothing and few promising test pilots lost their lives .

In 1962 India under Kurt tank produced HAL maruth under 6.5 years. We need that kind of engineers in HAl and NAl. Not uncles working 8-5 with no proper ambition. Just job security 

 

[Raisins_72]

1 minute ago, kakatiya said:

Impossible with how HAL is handling tejas mark ii. 2017 lo ne delayed project adhi. We are now in year 2025. 

Even out air force commander has lost credibility on HAL production lines. 

 

Inko dikkumalina organisation okati vundi

NAL ani. Vaadu saras project ni 37 years nunchi running. Several crores spent on nothing and few promising test pilots lost their lives .

In 1962 India under Kurt tank produced HAL maruth under 6.5 years. We need that kind of engineers in HAl and NAl. Not uncles working 8-5 with no proper ambition. Just job security 

 

True when it comes to HAL ! 

[enigmatic]

wonder why we don't attract russian, american or european aeronautics experts to lead these initiatives?  

[Spartan]

1 minute ago, enigmatic said:

wonder why we don't attract russian, american or european aeronautics experts to lead these initiatives?  

because of the security anukunta.

commercial manf ki aite shud be possible

[11_MohanReddy]

2 minutes ago, Spartan said:

because of the security anukunta.

commercial manf ki aite shud be possible

China does this well by controlling the Chinese diaspora in USA. They steal secrets and have them work for China

[enigmatic]

Just now, Spartan said:

commercial manf ki aite shud be possible

china vallu almost sonta commerical jets chesukone stage ki vachesaru. we should do something similar for smaller planes like Embraer from Brazil

[psycontr]

First develop own engine for Tejas then think of fifth gen stealth. For tejas they are importing outdated engines from GE aviation. All these new projects outcome will be nothing just to create some buzz.

[southyx]

4 minutes ago, enigmatic said:

wonder why we don't attract russian, american or european aeronautics experts to lead these initiatives?  

That would be dangerous. Foreign entities allow cheyyaru. But Modi Govt is encouraging private sector within India. Its good move. Its in infancy stage. We will see results in another 15 to 20 years. Some startups are already doing well.

[Spartan]

1 minute ago, psycontr said:

First develop own engine for Tejas then think of fifth gen stealth. For tejas they are importing outdated engines from GE aviation. All these new projects outcome will be nothing just to create some buzz.

ela start cheyali ...?

[Raisins_72]

7 minutes ago, psycontr said:

First develop own engine for Tejas then think of fifth gen stealth. For tejas they are importing outdated engines from GE aviation. All these new projects outcome will be nothing just to create some buzz.

Idhi veddhamanukuney lopala 

Idhi veyinchesaav 😂

[Android_Halwa]

1 hour ago, kakatiya said:

Impossible with how HAL is handling tejas mark ii. 2017 lo ne delayed project adhi. We are now in year 2025. 

Even out air force commander has lost credibility on HAL production lines. 

 

Inko dikkumalina organisation okati vundi

NAL ani. Vaadu saras project ni 37 years nunchi running. Several crores spent on nothing and few promising test pilots lost their lives .

In 1962 India under Kurt tank produced HAL maruth under 6.5 years. We need that kind of engineers in HAl and NAl. Not uncles working 8-5 with no proper ambition. Just job security 

 

We should also consider the timelines. Since 1974, tech transfer was hugely restricted. First, because of the smiling Buddha and association with soviets became a stumbling block for access to military tech and this is where the indigenous started making ways.

Some initial success but 80’s and 90’s was completely cash strapped and had very few projects that we could take up. 

90’s ki vache varaku again economic crisis followed by political instability, and when dust settled then we had Pokhran which literally closed doors for accessibility to tech…

LCA delays can largely be attributed to sanctions where the designers have to go back to the drawing room again and again because of sanctions. Even today, Tejas delay is due to the engine but not anything else. 

Post Pokhran and Sanctions regime, its where things started turn around and indigenous became more serious concept than just on paper. 

HAL, the same old laid back defense psu is the same one which assembled 200 ofd Sukhois, and now upgrading to Super Sukhois. 

[mazar]

2 hours ago, kakatiya said:

Impossible with how HAL is handling tejas mark ii. 2017 lo ne delayed project adhi. We are now in year 2025. 

Even out air force commander has lost credibility on HAL production lines. 

 

Inko dikkumalina organisation okati vundi

NAL ani. Vaadu saras project ni 37 years nunchi running. Several crores spent on nothing and few promising test pilots lost their lives .

In 1962 India under Kurt tank produced HAL maruth under 6.5 years. We need that kind of engineers in HAl and NAl. Not uncles working 8-5 with no proper ambition. Just job security 

 

we need to either privatize HAL or open new private enterprises. nothing should be govt owned

[psycontr]

3 hours ago, Spartan said:

ela start cheyali ...?

HAL already sucked billions in the name of engine development with no MVP. They dont have expertise to do that as they dont do lateral hiring of experts. They hire only fresh grads and they grow in the org like a frog in a well. All what HAL does is assembly and testing. Even the smallest HAL helicopter cheetah was built under license from french company.