Mirzapur_kattappa Posted August 4 Report Posted August 4 # No government, government department, or head of government can make a statement or furnish a map giving up its territorial claims. This weakens the nation's claims in the international arena and eventually results in a loss of territory. Modi's habit of lying and portraying himself as strong has led to India's territorial loss of 1000 square kilometers to China. According to The Hindu, China is estimated to have taken over close to 1,000 square kilometers of India-claimed territory in eastern Ladakh since May 2020. [\[1\]](https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/china-controls-1000-sq-km-of-area-in-ladakh-say-intelligence-inputs/article32490453.ece), [\[3\]](https://www.business-standard.com/article/defence/defence-minister-rajnath-singh-speaks-to-us-on-china-s-lac-intrusion-120053000028_1.html), [\[4\]](https://thewire.in/security/karan-thapar-ajai-shukla-disengagement-china-india), [\[5\]](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-57234024) The Indian government’s response has been one of ‘disengagement’, timidity, playing it safe, and false posturing before its own citizens. In June 2020, Modi told Indians that no one had entered Indian territory or captured any military post [\[2\]](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/neither-has-anyone-intruded-into-indian-territory-nor-has-anyone-taken-over-any-post-pm-modi/articleshow/76470868.cms). Col. Shukla and other Indian veterans strongly criticised the Indian Prime Minister’s statement of June 2020, when Narendra Modi said that there are no Chinese on Indian territory and never have been [\[3\]](https://www.business-standard.com/article/defence/defence-minister-rajnath-singh-speaks-to-us-on-china-s-lac-intrusion-120053000028_1.html), [\[4\]](https://thewire.in/security/karan-thapar-ajai-shukla-disengagement-china-india), [\[5\]](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-57234024). This endorsement of the Chinese government's position allowed Beijing to dismiss the allegations of border transgressions and claim ownership of all its positions [\[4\]](https://thewire.in/security/karan-thapar-ajai-shukla-disengagement-china-india). In January 2023, an official Indian research paper stated that India had lost access to 26 out of 65 Patrolling Points in eastern Ladakh since June 2020 [\[6\]](https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/india-has-lost-access-to-26-out-of-65-patrolling-points-in-eastern-ladakh-says-research-paper/article66428193.ece). In February 2023, External Affairs Minister S. Jaishankar said that India cannot pick a fight with China because the latter has a bigger economy. Following this military veterans have accused the Narendra Modi government of having a “defeatist attitude” and “bowing down to a bully” [\[7\]](https://thewire.in/security/veterans-criticise-jaishankar-china). Quote
A1startarak Posted August 4 Report Posted August 4 5 minutes ago, Mirzapur_kattappa said: # No government, government department, or head of government can make a statement or furnish a map giving up its territorial claims. This weakens the nation's claims in the international arena and eventually results in a loss of territory. Modi's habit of lying and portraying himself as strong has led to India's territorial loss of 1000 square kilometers to China. According to The Hindu, China is estimated to have taken over close to 1,000 square kilometers of India-claimed territory in eastern Ladakh since May 2020. [\[1\]](https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/china-controls-1000-sq-km-of-area-in-ladakh-say-intelligence-inputs/article32490453.ece), [\[3\]](https://www.business-standard.com/article/defence/defence-minister-rajnath-singh-speaks-to-us-on-china-s-lac-intrusion-120053000028_1.html), [\[4\]](https://thewire.in/security/karan-thapar-ajai-shukla-disengagement-china-india), [\[5\]](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-57234024) The Indian government’s response has been one of ‘disengagement’, timidity, playing it safe, and false posturing before its own citizens. In June 2020, Modi told Indians that no one had entered Indian territory or captured any military post [\[2\]](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/neither-has-anyone-intruded-into-indian-territory-nor-has-anyone-taken-over-any-post-pm-modi/articleshow/76470868.cms). Col. Shukla and other Indian veterans strongly criticised the Indian Prime Minister’s statement of June 2020, when Narendra Modi said that there are no Chinese on Indian territory and never have been [\[3\]](https://www.business-standard.com/article/defence/defence-minister-rajnath-singh-speaks-to-us-on-china-s-lac-intrusion-120053000028_1.html), [\[4\]](https://thewire.in/security/karan-thapar-ajai-shukla-disengagement-china-india), [\[5\]](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-57234024). This endorsement of the Chinese government's position allowed Beijing to dismiss the allegations of border transgressions and claim ownership of all its positions [\[4\]](https://thewire.in/security/karan-thapar-ajai-shukla-disengagement-china-india). In January 2023, an official Indian research paper stated that India had lost access to 26 out of 65 Patrolling Points in eastern Ladakh since June 2020 [\[6\]](https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/india-has-lost-access-to-26-out-of-65-patrolling-points-in-eastern-ladakh-says-research-paper/article66428193.ece). In February 2023, External Affairs Minister S. Jaishankar said that India cannot pick a fight with China because the latter has a bigger economy. Following this military veterans have accused the Narendra Modi government of having a “defeatist attitude” and “bowing down to a bully” [\[7\]](https://thewire.in/security/veterans-criticise-jaishankar-china). Quote
ARYA Posted August 4 Report Posted August 4 lucky people, they get to live in a developed country.. 2 Quote
krishnaaa Posted August 5 Report Posted August 5 7 hours ago, Mirzapur_kattappa said: # No government, government department, or head of government can make a statement or furnish a map giving up its territorial claims. This weakens the nation's claims in the international arena and eventually results in a loss of territory. Modi's habit of lying and portraying himself as strong has led to India's territorial loss of 1000 square kilometers to China. According to The Hindu, China is estimated to have taken over close to 1,000 square kilometers of India-claimed territory in eastern Ladakh since May 2020. [\[1\]](https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/china-controls-1000-sq-km-of-area-in-ladakh-say-intelligence-inputs/article32490453.ece), [\[3\]](https://www.business-standard.com/article/defence/defence-minister-rajnath-singh-speaks-to-us-on-china-s-lac-intrusion-120053000028_1.html), [\[4\]](https://thewire.in/security/karan-thapar-ajai-shukla-disengagement-china-india), [\[5\]](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-57234024) The Indian government’s response has been one of ‘disengagement’, timidity, playing it safe, and false posturing before its own citizens. In June 2020, Modi told Indians that no one had entered Indian territory or captured any military post [\[2\]](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/neither-has-anyone-intruded-into-indian-territory-nor-has-anyone-taken-over-any-post-pm-modi/articleshow/76470868.cms). Col. Shukla and other Indian veterans strongly criticised the Indian Prime Minister’s statement of June 2020, when Narendra Modi said that there are no Chinese on Indian territory and never have been [\[3\]](https://www.business-standard.com/article/defence/defence-minister-rajnath-singh-speaks-to-us-on-china-s-lac-intrusion-120053000028_1.html), [\[4\]](https://thewire.in/security/karan-thapar-ajai-shukla-disengagement-china-india), [\[5\]](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-57234024). This endorsement of the Chinese government's position allowed Beijing to dismiss the allegations of border transgressions and claim ownership of all its positions [\[4\]](https://thewire.in/security/karan-thapar-ajai-shukla-disengagement-china-india). In January 2023, an official Indian research paper stated that India had lost access to 26 out of 65 Patrolling Points in eastern Ladakh since June 2020 [\[6\]](https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/india-has-lost-access-to-26-out-of-65-patrolling-points-in-eastern-ladakh-says-research-paper/article66428193.ece). In February 2023, External Affairs Minister S. Jaishankar said that India cannot pick a fight with China because the latter has a bigger economy. Following this military veterans have accused the Narendra Modi government of having a “defeatist attitude” and “bowing down to a bully” [\[7\]](https://thewire.in/security/veterans-criticise-jaishankar-china). Problem is with the people....not the government. An average Indian is dumb as a rock....has no personal responsibility. 1 Quote
Mirzapur_kattappa Posted August 17 Author Report Posted August 17 On 8/4/2025 at 10:05 PM, krishnaaa said: Problem is with the people....not the government. An average Indian is dumb as a rock....has no personal responsibility. People don't run international relations, border security..home ministry, defense ministry, foreign relations does. Quote
8pm Posted August 17 Report Posted August 17 On 8/4/2025 at 7:05 PM, krishnaaa said: Problem is with the people....not the government. An average Indian is dumb as a rock....has no personal responsibility. enlighten anna.. what can be done by indians in individual capacity?? Quote
krishnaaa Posted August 17 Report Posted August 17 33 minutes ago, Mirzapur_kattappa said: People don't run international relations, border security..home ministry, defense ministry, foreign relations does. They actually do. Quote
SaradaChinnodu Posted August 17 Report Posted August 17 On 8/4/2025 at 10:05 PM, krishnaaa said: Problem is with the people....not the government. An average Indian is dumb as a rock....has no personal responsibility. em cheyali bro? Quote
krishnaaa Posted August 17 Report Posted August 17 18 minutes ago, 8pm said: enlighten anna.. what can be done by indians in individual capacity?? You don't have to do too much. You just have to look at win win situations which would benefit you as well as the country. Simple things like installing solar panels would save you from current bills and is a major help to Indian economy. Govt is doing its part by providing subsidies. But idiots keep blaming govt when there is a power cut or there is increase in current bill. Another good example would be opting for an electric vehicle. Again here govt is doing its part by not taxing evs. This would lead to less money going outside India to import crude and be at the mercy of Soudis and Trump tariffs. The pollution issue would also greatly reduced. Again here the idiots blame govt instead of taking action. I saw an idiot last week blaming govt for gas prices while he bought 2 gas guzzling SUVs each worth more than 50 lakhs. People still throw trash on the roads and they say that sweepers will take care of it. Govt is spending so much money trying to keep surroundings clean. When I go to parties, people always either gossip about other people or talk politics. Noone discusses ideas like how we can contribute etc. Unless this culture changes, the progress would be very slow. Quote
8pm Posted August 17 Report Posted August 17 5 minutes ago, krishnaaa said: You don't have to do too much. You just have to look at win win situations which would benefit you as well as the country. Simple things like installing solar panels would save you from current bills and is a major help to Indian economy. Govt is doing its part by providing subsidies. But idiots keep blaming govt when there is a power cut or there is increase in current bill. Another good example would be opting for an electric vehicle. Again here govt is doing its part by not taxing evs. This would lead to less money going outside India to import crude and be at the mercy of Soudis and Trump tariffs. The pollution issue would also greatly reduced. Again here the idiots blame govt instead of taking action. I saw an idiot last week blaming govt for gas prices while he bought 2 gas guzzling SUVs each worth more than 50 lakhs. People still throw trash on the roads and they say that sweepers will take care of it. Govt is spending so much money trying to keep surroundings clean. When I go to parties, people always either gossip about other people or talk politics. Noone discusses ideas like how we can contribute etc. Unless this culture changes, the progress would be very slow. topic, nee reply Quote
krishnaaa Posted August 17 Report Posted August 17 6 minutes ago, 8pm said: topic, nee reply Proves my point. My reply is directly related to the topic. Think harder. Quote
Assam_Bhayya Posted August 17 Report Posted August 17 On 8/4/2025 at 10:05 PM, krishnaaa said: Problem is with the people....not the government. An average Indian is dumb as a rock....has no personal responsibility. 8 minutes ago, SaradaChinnodu said: em cheyali bro? 1 Quote
krishnaaa Posted August 17 Report Posted August 17 Every Indian should read this book once a year. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1995421.Seeking_Wisdom Quote
Pumpuhaar Posted August 17 Report Posted August 17 Is it more land than China occupied Aksai Chin during Congress Government Quote
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