venkappa Posted August 11 Report Posted August 11 12 hours ago, Mancode said: As a Brazilian who follows global politics and economics pretty closely, I gotta say India is a key player in BRICS, no doubt. But let’s be honest here, India is also one of the main reasons BRICS hasn’t reached its full potential. One of the biggest roadblocks? India keeps dragging its feet when it comes to creating a common BRICS currency or even a shared payment system that would let members trade without the U.S. dollar and obviously, benefit from it. And you know why? Because deep down, it feels like India still wants a seat at the Western table. Like it’s still hoping to be accepted by the U.S., Europe, and their elite financial clubs. But here’s the hard truth for them, that table wasn’t built for countries like India or Brazil, or South Africa, or any part of the Global South, to sit at as equals. The Global South will never be treated as equals in that club. Why? Because that whole system was designed to benefit Western countries, the U.S., the EU, the old colonial powers, and keep everyone else in a subordinate role. They might invite you to summits, give you a photo-op, even say you're a strategic partner. But when it comes to real decision-making like the rules, the money, the power etc, you’re still on the outside. Always. Just look at how the IMF, WTO and World Bank operate. Who holds the voting power? Who sets the agenda? Who decides which countries get funding, and under what humiliating conditions? Who says who is applying unjust trade policies? Just a spoiler it's not us! And that’s why BRICS matters. Not because it's anti-West, but because it's pro-sovereignty. It's about building something that lets countries like ours make our own choices, run our own economies, and trade with each other on fairer terms. It’s not about copying the eurozone. It’s about freedom from sanctions, from dollar-dependence, from being bossed around by Washington every time we want to make a deal. Now, I totally get why India wants to protect its monetary independence. That’s fair. But at some point, it needs to be asked what’s the long game? Trying to win respect from the West, a system that was never designed to respect you, or helping build a new system where respect, balance, and mutual benefit are actually possible? And we can’t ignore the India-China rivalry either. Those border tensions are real, but they’re also exactly what the West loves to see. Because the longer BRICS is divided, the safer Western dominance is. But imagine if India and China truly put that aside and worked together. That would change everything in this World not only economically but politically, globally and militarily. Let’s not forget that Europe only became a powerhouse because countries like France and Germany, literal enemies, chose to work together for the bigger picture. And now they are top global trade, tech, quality of life and diplomacy. Why can’t BRICS do the same? Bottom line? India’s too important to keep playing defense. It’s time to lead boldly. Because the West isn’t waiting to embrace the Global South, it’s waiting to outmaneuver us. BRICS has a shot to flip the script, but only if the big players stop hoping for a seat at someone else's table and start building their own. India needs to ask itself if they want to keep knocking on the West’s door, or help build the future from the ground up on their own terms? The only thing really holding BRICS back right now is the unresolved tension between India and China. If those two can finally move past the border disputes and old grudges, everything changes. We’ll see history take a sharp turn. An empire will fall (yeah, the American one) and in its place, a new, more balanced world will begin to rise. One where power isn’t locked away in the hands of a few, but shared across regions, across peoples. That future is within reach, it’s not a dream, it’s a choice. But for BRICS to unlock it, India and China need to rise above the past and meet the moment. - Alice Azevedo How you know its a Brazilian and not some fake ID 1 Quote
JerseyBidda Posted August 11 Report Posted August 11 14 hours ago, Teluguredu said: china has been a country for 2000 years bound by same laws how can you compare india to China? 90%+ of chinese are of same ethnicity. India isn't even a country for 100 years . Dictatorship won't work in india , noone has a clear majority. India is completely different dravidians , north eastern people have their own civilisation and can never fall under indo-aryan people.it will never work. Not to mention china had cultural revolution in which they got rid of their old feudal culture in the process. The land of India has atleast 3 millenniums old civilization. Don't brush it off by saying West's push of 100 year old country phrases Quote
subramanyam_for_sale Posted August 11 Report Posted August 11 its because of a reason- no international credit card payments go through in India systems- PayPal doesn't work- swift is almost non-existent, Russia after sanctions developed their own payment etc- ups was this- but better to be in cash than go through ups and be under govt scrutiny for every transaction....countries decide best for them based on convenience nothing else Quote
american_desi Posted August 11 Report Posted August 11 8 hours ago, Teluguredu said: Which telugu muslim learn Arabic ? Lol telugu muslims in andhra can't even speak urdu properly . Many Muslims I know learn Arabic to understand Quran better. Muslims have the belief that memorizing Quran verse by verse is a important spiritual achivement Quote
american_desi Posted August 11 Report Posted August 11 7 hours ago, venkappa said: How you know its a Brazilian and not some fake ID Can be a Chinese guy from their official troll farm too Quote
CanadianMalodu Posted August 11 Report Posted August 11 8 hours ago, american_desi said: Many Muslims I know learn Arabic to understand Quran better. Muslims have the belief that memorizing Quran verse by verse is a important spiritual achivement Outside of Hyderabad area, not many in Telugu states speak urdu properly let alone Arabic. Then you have communities like Dudekula, who happen to have fusion belief system. Overall, Andhra doesn't have Moslems who speak and write Arabic in large numbers. Quote
Teluguredu Posted August 12 Report Posted August 12 12 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said: Influence through trade doesn't replace Power. Power in that sense is absolute. The conquerors or the forces behind them dictate the terms. It's plain and simple. China's trade surplus with West exists because West allowed it and continues to allow it while squeezing itself with red tape and taxation. They have the means to disengage with China, when they really need to. Why do other countries need to emulate Chinese model ? For what? Power through trade is real ,you can see how trump backtracked on tariffs when china imposed counter tariffs. They cant move away from china without taking more impact than china ,china can just sell to other countries at a cheaper price ,not to mention the domestic market of China itself is huge. I am not saying they should emulate chinese model , I am saying no other country can replace china. Quote
Teluguredu Posted August 12 Report Posted August 12 10 hours ago, JerseyBidda said: The land of India has atleast 3 millenniums old civilization. Don't brush it off by saying West's push of 100 year old country phrases Land of different kingdoms not a single government ,never one ,it's not a western claim ,india is a 75 year old country existing only due to British or else india would never have been a single entity. Quote
Teluguredu Posted August 12 Report Posted August 12 5 hours ago, american_desi said: Many Muslims I know learn Arabic to understand Quran better. Muslims have the belief that memorizing Quran verse by verse is a important spiritual achivement You see many telugu hindu people learning Sanskrit for religious purpose as well doesn't mean all telugu hindu people speak sanskrit. Quote
CanadianMalodu Posted August 12 Report Posted August 12 1 hour ago, Teluguredu said: Power through trade is real ,you can see how trump backtracked on tariffs when china imposed counter tariffs. They cant move away from china without taking more impact than china ,china can just sell to other countries at a cheaper price ,not to mention the domestic market of China itself is huge. I am not saying they should emulate chinese model , I am saying no other country can replace china. That's because China will cause huge turbulence and China is also a very big market for American corps. But, the power China has is no where close to Anglosphere powers. If the Deep state Z10n1st$ including Trump wants do move production away from China they surely would. Right now, China gives them a cushion by devaluing their own currency and by American debt. Think of this, US president has more broader powers during war time. A POTUS in war time can unilaterally impose blockades, and tariffs and kickstart production at much faster pace. He can simply suspend and override any state and/or federal laws to ramp up production domestically or in other countries. A move like this doesn't will simply redraw supply chain. Quote
Teluguredu Posted August 12 Report Posted August 12 2 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said: That's because China will cause huge turbulence and China is also a very big market for American corps. But, the power China has is no where close to Anglosphere powers. If the Deep state Z10n1st$ including Trump wants do move production away from China they surely would. Right now, China gives them a cushion by devaluing their own currency and by American debt. Think of this, US president has more broader powers during war time. A POTUS in war time can unilaterally impose blockades, and tariffs and kickstart production at much faster pace. He can simply suspend and override any state and/or federal laws to ramp up production domestically or in other countries. A move like this doesn't will simply redraw supply chain. I never said china had the same power as the west ,first china needs to reach and go beyond the technological advancement of the west which will happen soon ,the strategy they will follow to gain influence after that is to be seen. Main difference is china is growing at a rapid pace while the west is declining and they don't even have a sense of collectiveness. Quote
CanadianMalodu Posted August 12 Report Posted August 12 Just now, Teluguredu said: I never said china had the same power as the west ,first china needs to reach and go beyond the technological advancement of the west which will happen soon ,the strategy they will follow to gain influence after that is to be seen. Main difference is china is growing at a rapid pace while the west is declining and they don't even have a sense of collectiveness. Technological advancement isn't a linear progression and it doesn't translate to Power. That's the point I'm trying to make. POWER will come from Conquest or Usurping the power from those that hold it. Quote
american_desi Posted August 12 Report Posted August 12 On 8/11/2025 at 10:30 AM, CanadianMalodu said: It appears so because Ukraine is a pr0xy front for entire NATO. Russia has a net gain of territory from Ukraine (about 20% Ukraine itself) while Ukraine is drowned in DEBT (debt to GDP approaching 100%). Russia had a history to fighting till last man. Even under communist influence, they fought the best war machine the Hitler's forces, and beat them up while Anglo powers claim the victory. Had it not been for Soviets on the eastern front, things would have looked very different. China has no track record of power projection, what equal to US ? Double lol😂 Russia fighting till last man is when it was invaded. Not when it invaded another country. This war is Dictator Putin's pet project. He needs to show an external threat (in NATO) to divert attention of the falling living standards in his country. George Robertson a former Labour defence secretary who led Nato between 1999 and 2003, in an early meeting with Putin, who became Russian president in 2000, “Putin said: ‘When are you going to invite us to join Nato?’ And [Robertson] said: ‘Well, we don’t invite people to join Nato, they apply to join Nato.’ And he said: ‘Well, we’re not standing in line with a lot of countries that don’t matter.’” The account chimes with what Putin told the late David Frost in a BBC interview shortly before he was first inaugurated as Russian president more than 21 years ago. Putin told Frost he would not rule out joining Nato “if and when Russia’s views are taken into account as those of an equal partner”. He told Frost it was hard for him to visualise Nato as an enemy. “Russia is part of the European culture. And I cannot imagine my own country in isolation from Europe and what we often call the civilised world.” This is the same putin who is saying NATO is an enemy and NATOs expansion is a threat. First of all NATO doesn't expand on its own like Putin's Special Military operation occupying sovereign countries like Ukraine, Georgia or Moldova. A country has to have certain qualifications. It has to be a democracy and it has to be approved by all existing members in NATO. That's how Sweden and Finland that have been neutral for over 100 years ended up joining NATO, thanks to Dictator Putin's misadventure. Russian economy is now smaller than that of South Korea with a per capita income much lesser than Even the tiny Baltic Countries of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania not to mention way less than that of per capita income of South Korea Quote
american_desi Posted August 12 Report Posted August 12 6 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said: That's because China will cause huge turbulence and China is also a very big market for American corps. But, the power China has is no where close to Anglosphere powers. If the Deep state Z10n1st$ including Trump wants do move production away from China they surely would. Right now, China gives them a cushion by devaluing their own currency and by American debt. Think of this, US president has more broader powers during war time. A POTUS in war time can unilaterally impose blockades, and tariffs and kickstart production at much faster pace. He can simply suspend and override any state and/or federal laws to ramp up production domestically or in other countries. A move like this doesn't will simply redraw supply chain. OK how much does US exports to China and how much they import from China? Who needs who here based on the numbers? Manufacturing can be moved to another country like India, Bangladesh or any other South East Asian country. But there's only one country like USA with a large number of wealthy consumers. No other country can replace US in this world. Quote
adavilo_baatasaari Posted August 12 Report Posted August 12 On 8/10/2025 at 9:08 PM, Teluguredu said: india was never a country before 1947 india has been a country for only 75 years ఛా!! అదే లాజిక్కు వాడితే, Republic of China was established only in 1949. Recognized by the west and most of the world only in 1971. 1 Quote
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