Why we're all up in arms over China

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Governments around the Pacific are preparing for war with China. Not next week. Or next year. Or even any time this decade. But the slow, horrible train wreck of billions of human beings doggedly digging themselves into entrenched and hostile positions is well underway. We're deep into this hole now.

Most of those billions of people, of course, have no real idea of what's happening. A news article here. A strategic report there. The occasional YouTube video everywhere, such as the grainy footage of China's J-20 stealth fighter going viral couple of weeks ago.

No, most people just get on with the daily round of feeding themselves. Earning a quid. And maintaining full spectrum coverage of the latest Britney/Lohan/Kardashian gossip. The details might vary. But in essence a factory worker in a Chinese mega city will no more attend to the strategic machinations of his country's political leadership than a factory worker in Geelong, Houston, or Tokyo. Same goes for bicycle couriers, office clerks, dental technicians, architects, market gardeners, whoever. And wherever. Politics as it is practised at the rareified levels where states manoeuvre for advantage against each other simply doesn't factor into the thoughts of normal people.

Until they pay the price for not having paid attention over all those years.

There is a reason that India, which still struggles to feed and house hundreds of millions of its citizens, is building a 600-ship navy. Why Vietnam is making sustained efforts to draw closer to its former oppressor, Washington. Why Australia, which had such a hard time building and maintaining half a dozen conventional Collins Class submarines, is engaged in a mammoth national engineering challenge of designing, constructing and operating twice, or possibly even three times, that number of even more expensive and hyper-complex boats. And why one of the government's most senior strategic advisors has just advised them to forget that idea, and instead buy a dozen nuclear-powered hunter killer subs off the shelf from the US.

Because behind closed doors, they are all terrified of China. Not just wary, or suspicious, or hedging their bets against the peaceful rise the world's most powerful totalitarian state. But existentially terrified.

China haunts the nightmares of admirals and generals, prime ministers and presidents, from the eastern edge of the Indian Ocean to the surf breaks of Malibu.

Why?

Well, beyond the obvious answer that nobody likes the idea of having to deal with a new, difficult and potentially hostile peer competitor, the Chinese are doing exactly as we are. They are arming themselves. Not simply replacing the antiquated Cold War crap that still equips most of the PLA, but actively developing a force structure and weapons technology to engage and destroy the military forces of the US and its allies; anti-satellite weapons to rake our eyes out of space, infiltrator malware to crack open and degrade the data links on which modern militaries are becoming entirely dependent, missile swarms to overwhelm the defences of carrier battle groups, and long-range nuclear weapons to threaten the population centers of potential adversaries.

(In July 2005, Major General Zhu Chenghu, a dean of China's National Defense University, made explicit the threat of Beijing's growing nuclear arsenal. Discussing Chinese doctrine in any conflict over Taiwan, the general told foreign reporters "if the Americans draw their missiles and position-guided ammunition on to the target zone on China's territory, I think we will have to respond with nuclear weapons." The massive population imbalance between the Middle Kingdom and the US provided a form of strategic depth. While the Soviets had distance and the lethal cold of winter to defend them against Hitler's divisions, the Chinese are planning to pile up a bulwark of irradiated corpses. "We [...] will prepare ourselves for the destruction of all of the cities east of Xi'an," said the general. "Of course the Americans will have to be prepared that hundreds ... of cities will be destroyed by the Chinese."

This is how countries convince themselves to prepare for war.

The most recent and chilling explication of this process for us was yesterday provided by Prof. Ross Babbage, the Australian strategic expert, calling for Canberra to buy a fleet of nuclear-powered submarines. In his report, Australia's Strategic Edge 2030, Babbage also advises investing massively in cyber war capabilities, and hosting US military bases on Australian soil, dispersing them in such a fashion as to make them harder for Beijing to target in a Pearl Harbor-style preemptive strike.

Babbage's report for the Kokoda Foundation think tank is not a defence white paper. It will not set bureaucrats scurrying to their calculators to begin program analyses or budgetary projections. But Babbage is an important figure in Australian strategic dialogue – the dialogue you don't pay much attention to, or really care about – and his report will be read, and re-read, and will inform the politicians and bureaucrats who craft defence and foreign policy, for decades to come. Indeed Babbage was one of the principal contributors to the government's last white paper, the one that so enraged China by explicitly detailing plans build up our naval and air forces with an eye to future conflict with Beijing.

Babbage's report is available from the Foundation and makes for fascinating reading. Especially if you've ever wondered what the future holds in store for you. You have to pay for it now, but in a few weeks you'll probably be able to get it for free.

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But of course, he's no Kim Kardashian.

So I'll understand if you don't get around to reading it.

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Governments around the Pacific are preparing for war with China. Not next week. Or next year. Or even any time this decade. But the slow, horrible train wreck of billions of human beings doggedly digging themselves into entrenched and hostile positions is well underway. We're deep into this hole now.

Most of those billions of people, of course, have no real idea of what's happening. A news article here. A strategic report there. The occasional YouTube video everywhere, such as the grainy footage of China's J-20 stealth fighter going viral couple of weeks ago.

No, most people just get on with the daily round of feeding themselves. Earning a quid. And maintaining full spectrum coverage of the latest Britney/Lohan/Kardashian gossip. The details might vary. But in essence a factory worker in a Chinese mega city will no more attend to the strategic machinations of his country's political leadership than a factory worker in Geelong, Houston, or Tokyo. Same goes for bicycle couriers, office clerks, dental technicians, architects, market gardeners, whoever. And wherever. Politics as it is practised at the rareified levels where states manoeuvre for advantage against each other simply doesn't factor into the thoughts of normal people.

Until they pay the price for not having paid attention over all those years.

There is a reason that India, which still struggles to feed and house hundreds of millions of its citizens, is building a 600-ship navy. Why Vietnam is making sustained efforts to draw closer to its former oppressor, Washington. Why Australia, which had such a hard time building and maintaining half a dozen conventional Collins Class submarines, is engaged in a mammoth national engineering challenge of designing, constructing and operating twice, or possibly even three times, that number of even more expensive and hyper-complex boats. And why one of the government's most senior strategic advisors has just advised them to forget that idea, and instead buy a dozen nuclear-powered hunter killer subs off the shelf from the US.

Because behind closed doors, they are all terrified of China. Not just wary, or suspicious, or hedging their bets against the peaceful rise the world's most powerful totalitarian state. But existentially terrified.

China haunts the nightmares of admirals and generals, prime ministers and presidents, from the eastern edge of the Indian Ocean to the surf breaks of Malibu.

Why?

Well, beyond the obvious answer that nobody likes the idea of having to deal with a new, difficult and potentially hostile peer competitor, the Chinese are doing exactly as we are. They are arming themselves. Not simply replacing the antiquated Cold War crap that still equips most of the PLA, but actively developing a force structure and weapons technology to engage and destroy the military forces of the US and its allies; anti-satellite weapons to rake our eyes out of space, infiltrator malware to crack open and degrade the data links on which modern militaries are becoming entirely dependent, missile swarms to overwhelm the defences of carrier battle groups, and long-range nuclear weapons to threaten the population centers of potential adversaries.

(In July 2005, Major General Zhu Chenghu, a dean of China's National Defense University, made explicit the threat of Beijing's growing nuclear arsenal. Discussing Chinese doctrine in any conflict over Taiwan, the general told foreign reporters "if the Americans draw their missiles and position-guided ammunition on to the target zone on China's territory, I think we will have to respond with nuclear weapons." The massive population imbalance between the Middle Kingdom and the US provided a form of strategic depth. While the Soviets had distance and the lethal cold of winter to defend them against Hitler's divisions, the Chinese are planning to pile up a bulwark of irradiated corpses. "We [...] will prepare ourselves for the destruction of all of the cities east of Xi'an," said the general. "Of course the Americans will have to be prepared that hundreds ... of cities will be destroyed by the Chinese."

This is how countries convince themselves to prepare for war.

The most recent and chilling explication of this process for us was yesterday provided by Prof. Ross Babbage, the Australian strategic expert, calling for Canberra to buy a fleet of nuclear-powered submarines. In his report, Australia's Strategic Edge 2030, Babbage also advises investing massively in cyber war capabilities, and hosting US military bases on Australian soil, dispersing them in such a fashion as to make them harder for Beijing to target in a Pearl Harbor-style preemptive strike.

Babbage's report for the Kokoda Foundation think tank is not a defence white paper. It will not set bureaucrats scurrying to their calculators to begin program analyses or budgetary projections. But Babbage is an important figure in Australian strategic dialogue – the dialogue you don't pay much attention to, or really care about – and his report will be read, and re-read, and will inform the politicians and bureaucrats who craft defence and foreign policy, for decades to come. Indeed Babbage was one of the principal contributors to the government's last white paper, the one that so enraged China by explicitly detailing plans build up our naval and air forces with an eye to future conflict with Beijing.

Babbage's report is available from the Foundation and makes for fascinating reading. Especially if you've ever wondered what the future holds in store for you. You have to pay for it now, but in a few weeks you'll probably be able to get it for free.

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But of course, he's no Kim Kardashian.

[color=red]So I'll understand if you don't get around to reading it.[/color][/quote]


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[PAVITHRA]

can the world dream of china a democratic country ?  sCh_elmodance2 sCh_elmodance2

[bingo_123]

CHINA WULD BE THE SERIOUS THREAT IN NEAR FUTURE TO MANY COUNTRIES. ITS A KNOWN FACT..THAT CHINA WILL BE THE NEXT SUPER POWER. I THINK THESE IDIOTS STILL BELIEVE THAT CHINESE PRODUCTS R STILL CRAPY STUFF. IF WE LEAVE THESE CHINKY d**KHEADS..THEY USE THEIR POWER TO BULLY THE ENTIRE WORLD ONE DAY. ALREADY ASIANS R AWARE OF CHINESE MILITARY BUILD UP..UNLESS THESE CROOK HEAD CHINESE BECAME REALLY FREE FRM THIS WORLD WE WILL NOT AVOID WORLDWAR3. ATLEAST WAKE UP NOW POLITICAL SHIT HEADS.
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[quote author=bingo_123 link=topic=153245.msg1798502#msg1798502 date=1297190091]
CHINA WULD BE THE SERIOUS THREAT IN NEAR FUTURE TO MANY COUNTRIES. ITS A KNOWN FACT..THAT CHINA WILL BE THE NEXT SUPER POWER. I THINK THESE IDIOTS STILL BELIEVE THAT CHINESE PRODUCTS R STILL CRAPY STUFF. IF WE LEAVE THESE CHINKY d**KHEADS..THEY USE THEIR POWER TO BULLY THE ENTIRE WORLD ONE DAY. ALREADY ASIANS R AWARE OF CHINESE MILITARY BUILD UP..UNLESS THESE CROOK HEAD CHINESE BECAME REALLY FREE FRM THIS WORLD WE WILL NOT AVOID WORLDWAR3. ATLEAST WAKE UP NOW POLITICAL SHIT HEADS.
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china cannot become super power unless the world agrees

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[quote author=PAVITHRA link=topic=153245.msg1798515#msg1798515 date=1297190238]
china cannot become super power unless the world agrees
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[bingo_123]

[quote author=PAVITHRA link=topic=153245.msg1798515#msg1798515 date=1297190238]
china cannot become super power unless the world agrees
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common yaar..atleast we shuld agree now n take the action against them.otherwise we will pay the prise for not paying paid attention as the author said in this article. chinese products...every where they spread like virus.they used their newfound wealth to build sophisticated army technology..
bottom line is we know the facts...but we still ignoring. this battle is for supremacy...i bet no where US,britain,india,aus these countries can compete with chinese technology ...cuz we depend on them. obviously we shuld agree chinese r serious threat. F@!n F@!n F@!n F@!n F@!n F@!n F@!n F@!n

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[quote author=bingo_123 link=topic=153245.msg1798627#msg1798627 date=1297191201]
common yaar..atleast we shuld agree now n take the action against them.otherwise we will pay the prise for not paying paid attention as the author said in this article. chinese products...every where they spread like virus.they used their newfound wealth to build sophisticated army technology..
bottom line is we know the facts...but we still ignoring. this battle is for supremacy...i bet no where US,britain,india,aus these countries can compete with chinese technology ...cuz we depend on them. obviously we shuld agree chinese r serious threat. F@!n F@!n F@!n F@!n F@!n F@!n F@!n F@!n
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chinese are mere dumb copycats for the most part. becoming superpower means not just having no 1 army.  political presence and calling shots in  governments of most of the countries is must and final thing their currency should be global currency

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[quote author=bingo_123 link=topic=153245.msg1798627#msg1798627 date=1297191201]
chinese products...every where they spread like virus
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even though they are manufactured in china .... theya re designed in other country.......... I hope u realize the fact that a product life cycle starts from a design phase


[quote author=bingo_123 link=topic=153245.msg1798627#msg1798627 date=1297191201]
.they used their newfound wealth to build sophisticated army technology..

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Can you show me one technology they have developed indigenously

[quote author=bingo_123 link=topic=153245.msg1798627#msg1798627 date=1297191201]

bottom line is we know the facts...but we still ignoring. this battle is for supremacy...i bet no where US,britain,india,aus these countries can compete with chinese technology ...
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Again what technology are u talking about

[quote author=bingo_123 link=topic=153245.msg1798627#msg1798627 date=1297191201]
...cuz we depend on them. obviously we shuld agree chinese r serious threat. F@!n F@!n F@!n F@!n F@!n F@!n F@!n F@!n
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India doesnt depend on them............. to extent U.S depends on china......... It is afraid that  china might dump US treasury bonds worth $900 billion into the market............. US is just recovering form a  2 year recession.... just wait and watch

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[quote author=BENZBABU link=topic=153245.msg1798734#msg1798734 date=1297192150]
even though they are manufactured in china .... theya re designed in other country.......... I hope u realize the fact that a product life cycle starts from a design phase


Can you show me one technology they have developed indigenously
Again what technology are u talking about


India doesnt depend on them............. to extent U.S depends on china......... It is afraid that  china might dump US treasury bonds worth $900 billion into the market............. US is just recovering form a  2 year recession.... just wait and watch
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[quote author=PAVITHRA link=topic=153245.msg1798669#msg1798669 date=1297191676]
chinese are mere dumb copycats for the most part. becoming superpower means not just having no 1 army.  political presence and calling shots in  governments of most of the countries is must and final thing their currency should be global currency
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@gr33d  Chinese has 5000 aircrafts.......... the largest airforce in the world............ but international strategists and think-tanks consider Indian air force to be superior  with 762 aircrafts

my point here............. only numbers do not make difference

[man for the society]

[quote author=BENZBABU link=topic=153245.msg1798759#msg1798759 date=1297192321]
@gr33d  Chinese has 5000 aircrafts.......... the largest airforce in the world............ but international strategists and think-tanks consider Indian air force to be superior  with 762 aircrafts

my point here............. [size=24pt][color=red]only numbers do not make difference[/color][/size]
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I do agree with u. planning and implementation yields u the result.

[man for the society]

[quote author=BENZBABU link=topic=153245.msg1798759#msg1798759 date=1297192321]
@gr33d  Chinese has 5000 aircrafts.......... the largest airforce in the world............ [size=12pt][color=red]but international strategists and think-tanks consider Indian air force to be superior[/color][/size]  with 762 aircrafts

my point here............. only numbers do not make difference
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elucidate with some articles please

[bingo_123]

ofcourse they r copy cats...why we r still rely on them..who knows ...i do agree that strengthen the army is not enough to become a super power. we kno that they r rapidly growin up in terms of wealth n political power. no wonder in near future if their currency get globalised. can u believe that in AUS iphone to innerwear every product frm china...infact is that here chinese immigrants r having luxurious life style than oz citizens. this is just starting yaar.infront infront crocodile festival.
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5D2Fd0rLaM&feature=related#]China's economy Surpass Japan in July 2010 !![/url]
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