Caste, Burn The Manusmriti

[vikramII]

[quote name='Maddy_Rulez' timestamp='1320035653' post='3049736']



manusrmiti also talks about the same caste system. manusrmiti is written by sages where bhagavad gita is said by god himself. manusrmiti talks abt the same varna system which is presented in bhagavad gita.
If u don't have any problem with verses of bhagavad gita then u shuldn't have any problem in manusmriti.
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hi
before i read only the quotes of manusmriti;
since i read it completely: it is what corrupted hinduism and inturn corrupted India. not just me everyone should burn it.
[url="http://www.bergen.edu/phr/121/ManuGC.pdf"]http://www.bergen.ed.../121/ManuGC.pdf[/url], thats the translation of manusmrithi i read! by George Bühler

bhagavadgita gives caste by guna(nature) while manusmriti gives by birth. bhagavadgita and manusmriti are completely on opposite ends as a whole.


now abt manusmriti: it is a book which gives authority for the king and priest class to exploit the working class. some relaxation is given to the merchant class who have wealth. as if to hide that exploitation concept it suggested severe religious rigors to impress the hindus who value religion,god and spirituality they [color=#ff0000]fervently added religious rigors for which even educated people like you might have fell flat[/color].
europe used to have very similar system (eventhough there was no manusmriti for them) which was "[color=#ff0000]brutally[/color]" destroyed....and thats what enabled europe to progress.

moreover dont accept this .... that you quoted before
We all work. At work we have a boss. Your boss is higher than you and you are lower than your boss. Does this mean that your company is bad for making you lower than your boss? No. You are lower than your boss, because your boss deserves to be higher than you. He is better qualified and experienced and thus he deserves to be higher than you. You are less qualified and experienced and thus you deserve to be lower than your boss.

your boss may be higher in position but, he is not superior to you as a person though he might be superior to you in office.
[color=#ff0000]never let some one say that you are inferior [/color]to them or you never say to someone that you are superior to them as a person. if you believe in yourself and choose the field that is best to your nature/attitude ( no matter what your father's or forefather's profession is/was) you can reach the peak than accepting that your boss is superior to you by all means..
albert einstein was considered dumb for good part of his life .
even your 10th class top ranker, inter top ranker and eamcet top ranker they are not always first in their life....and people who fared less than them did awesome stuff ( not about andhra, telling overall).

final:
[color=#ff0000]Do you know that Taliban and Manusmriti have lot in common when it comes to women?[/color]

[color=#000000]i will write in detail about manusmriti as an article than here, thanks for the feedback![/color]

[tom bhayya]

inthaki conclusion ento evaru cheppatam ledhu... meeku hinduism books lo anni lies vunnayi anipisthey.. choose christianity or islam or lekapothey nuvvey buddhidi type lo vikrammllism ani oka religion pettuko ... evaru vadhannaru sami...

[Jambhalheart]

[quote name='vikramII' timestamp='1320255619' post='3057310']



hi
before i read only the quotes of manusmriti;
since i read it completely: it is what corrupted hinduism and inturn corrupted India. not just me everyone should burn it.
[url="http://www.bergen.edu/phr/121/ManuGC.pdf"]http://www.bergen.ed.../121/ManuGC.pdf[/url], thats the translation of manusmrithi i read! by [b]George Bühler[/b]

bhagavadgita gives caste by guna(nature) while manusmriti gives by birth. bhagavadgita and manusmriti are completely on opposite ends as a whole.


now abt manusmriti: it is a book which gives authority for the king and priest class to exploit the working class. some relaxation is given to the merchant class who have wealth. as if to hide that exploitation concept it suggested severe religious rigors to impress the hindus who value religion,god and spirituality they [color=#ff0000]fervently added religious rigors for which even educated people like you might have fell flat[/color].
europe used to have very similar system (eventhough there was no manusmriti for them) which was "[color=#ff0000]brutally[/color]" destroyed....and thats what enabled europe to progress.

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First & foremost, I have to say onething, [b] never read any sanskrit literature written by foreigners[/b]. It was proven that , foreigners , wrote or translated stuff
which hurts hindu sentiments, create chaos among hindus and convert them to their religion. it was done by britishers.

2,) How can I believe that a foreign guy translated some sanskrit literature to english without any mistake ?? Its like, english guy writing telugu grammer book.

3.) Even for the case of argument if I agree with ur points, then still I don't be bothered as manusrmiti is written by humans(humans r prone to err) and also many humans put their thoughts on it, its not one man's word . I m not even sure of who did it. But bhagavad gita is as it is , said by lord krishna and said by god.





[b][quote name='vikramII' timestamp='1320255619' post='3057310'][/b]

[b]moreover dont accept this .... that you quoted before[/b]
[b]We all work. At work we have a boss. Your boss is higher than you and you are lower than your boss. Does this mean that your company is bad for making you lower than your boss? No. You are lower than your boss, because your boss deserves to be higher than you. He is better qualified and experienced and thus he deserves to be higher than you. You are less qualified and experienced and thus you deserve to be lower than your boss.[/b]

[b]your boss may be higher in position but, he is not superior to you as a person though he might be superior to you in office.[/b]
[b][color=#ff0000]never let some one say that you are inferior [/color]to them or you never say to someone that you are superior to them as a person. if you believe in yourself and choose the field that is best to your nature/attitude ( no matter what your father's or forefather's profession is/was) you can reach the peak than accepting that your boss is superior to you by all means..[/b]
[b]albert einstein was considered dumb for good part of his life . [/b]
[b]even your 10th class top ranker, inter top ranker and eamcet top ranker they are not always first in their life....and people who fared less than them did awesome stuff ( not about andhra, telling overall).[/b]

[b][/quote][/b]


[b]ur going the other way my friend. We r subordinates to our boss,[b] boss is not superior by birth, he is superior by his actions (his exp., or talent watever u call it )[/b]. That was my point. Company chooses the best,experienced employee to become boss not a fresher with inexp. or talent . So, he will be boss by having more exp. or talent(his actions) than us not by birth. This was exactly the same varna or caste system

[quote name='vikramII' timestamp='1320255619' post='3057310']

final:
[color=#ff0000]Do you know that Taliban and Manusmriti have lot in common when it comes to women?[/color]

[color=#000000]i will write in detail about manusmriti as an article than here, thanks for the feedback![/color]

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There r millions of books in this world which speak ill or bad about Indians or India. Does it mean that we shuld go on a burning spree to burn them all ??? Few months, there were few guys in florida who want to burn quran (without reading or understanding it ), then if we do like them only, then wats the difference between them and us ?

[The QUEEN]

good to know something from ManuCharitra, but the one can also understand this meaning "Shuklaam Baradharam Vishnum Shashi Varnam Chaturbuhjam Prasanna Vadanam Dhyaayet Sarva Vighno Pashaantaye Agajaa Aanana Padmaarkam Gajaananam Aharnisham Anekadantam Bhaktaanaam Ekadantam Upaasmahe"

[vikramII]

i doubt if there would be difference even translated by indian; well if possible i would learn sanskrit ( i know some sanskrit from school).
i touched boss topic as you were saying that we are not equals in relation to the caste system.
the entire problem is you are assuming that manusmriti gave an exception in the sense that people are free from their birth caste depending on their excellence in a diff profession and i am not agreeing that. actually i grew-up listening to the quotes of manu now and then that formed the basis. but, anyways lets leave it here.

my intention is not that we all should start buying and burning manusmriti . i believe that caste system is not doing any good and still it is pulling back india. i just wanted more people to know it. since i believed manusmriti is used as a basis for this caste system i used burn the mansumriti to imply the necessity to reject present caste system.

thank you !

[quote name='Maddy_Rulez' timestamp='1320257560' post='3057470']



First & foremost, I have to say onething, [b] never read any sanskrit literature written by foreigners[/b]. It was proven that , foreigners , wrote or translated stuff
which hurts hindu sentiments, create chaos among hindus and convert them to their religion. it was done by britishers.

2,) How can I believe that a foreign guy translated some sanskrit literature to english without any mistake ?? Its like, english guy writing telugu grammer book.

3.) Even for the case of argument if I agree with ur points, then still I don't be bothered as manusrmiti is written by humans(humans r prone to err) and also many humans put their thoughts on it, its not one man's word . I m not even sure of who did it. But bhagavad gita is as it is , said by lord krishna and said by god.








[b]ur going the other way my friend. We r subordinates to our boss,[b] boss is not superior by birth, he is superior by his actions (his exp., or talent watever u call it )[/b]. That was my point. Company chooses the best,experienced employee to become boss not a fresher with inexp. or talent . So, he will be boss by having more exp. or talent(his actions) than us not by birth. This was exactly the same varna or caste system





There r millions of books in this world which speak ill or bad about Indians or India. Does it mean that we shuld go on a burning spree to burn them all ??? Few months, there were few guys in florida who want to burn quran (without reading or understanding it ), then if we do like them only, then wats the difference between them and us ?
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[vikramII]

[quote name='Alexander' timestamp='1320256753' post='3057403']
inthaki conclusion ento evaru cheppatam ledhu... meeku hinduism books lo anni lies vunnayi anipisthey.. choose christianity or islam or lekapothey nuvvey buddhidi type lo vikrammllism ani oka religion pettuko ... evaru vadhannaru sami...
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dear alexander
i am not after all the books in hinduism, just manusmriti and for the only reason that it formed the basis for present caste system ( as of what i know about manusmriti).
vikramIIism hahaha thats funny. i am not telling anything new
adi shankaracharya some 780-820 ad, swami vivekananda told the same but in their own way.
title burn manusmriti is something too much but, i used it to make people more informed about the caste system.

peace

[kidmakers]

If things stayed the same as they were said in Manusmruthi, this arugument wud never even have seen light.

But, the thing is - with ages becoming upon us, we(the people) changed the contents and gave them false understandings and created the society taht we are today living in.

Of all the 1000 people who talk about that holy book, i bet not even 1%, i.e. 10 guys wud ve read the book. So, first enlighten ur self by getting deep into the understandings of those holy scriptures and still if you want to burn 'em, go n get ur copy and burn them guys.. that doesn't change anything present in today's society... moreover, it exposes ur ignorance and people will neglect you for ur next move.. all the best..

[kidmakers]

[quote name='vikramII' timestamp='1320284341' post='3059128']
i doubt if there would be difference even translated by indian; well if possible i would learn sanskrit ( i know some sanskrit from school).
i touched boss topic as you were saying that we are not equals in relation to the caste system.
the entire problem is you are assuming that manusmriti gave an exception in the sense that people are free from their birth caste depending on their excellence in a diff profession and i am not agreeing that. actually i grew-up listening to the quotes of manu now and then that formed the basis. but, anyways lets leave it here.

my intention is not that we all should start buying and burning manusmriti . i believe that caste system is not doing any good and still it is pulling back india. i just wanted more people to know it. since i believed manusmriti is used as a basis for this caste system i used burn the mansumriti to imply the necessity to reject present caste system.

thank you !
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Dude, first get to know what is in the book, later you can comment on that..

You are just looking like another black sheep following the herd.. why dont you want to gain knowledge... just coz someone said they wanna burn the book for some reason, will you go ahead and do that.. ???


if 100 guys in the DB say that you (yeah.. YOU)are the reason for caste system.. are you going to burn urself.. ?? c'mon man.. put some brains..

[PMREDDY19]

[quote name='The QUEEN' timestamp='1320257733' post='3057479']
good to know something from ManuCharitra, but the one can also understand this meaning "Shuklaam Baradharam Vishnum Shashi Varnam Chaturbuhjam Prasanna Vadanam Dhyaayet Sarva Vighno Pashaantaye Agajaa Aanana Padmaarkam Gajaananam Aharnisham Anekadantam Bhaktaanaam Ekadantam Upaasmahe"
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You Da Girl .. Raaaani..




DB lo one of the coolest replies...

[PMREDDY19]

Remember some thing guys ::::

[font=verdana,geneva,sans-serif][color=#ff8c00][size=7][b]Hate your own Caste.. If you see a bad person in your own Caste.. As you have a Right to hate your own caste by birth: No one feels hurt as you are from the same caste..[/b][/size][/color][/font]



[color=#008000][font=verdana,geneva,sans-serif][size=7][b]But never hate some other's caste because you met a bad person from that caste.. you don't have a right to blame his whole caste for one person's actions.[/b][/size][/font][/color]

[CaliStar]

chala high level lo discussion aitundi ikkada......good guys........

my opinion is i would like to see our society without caste system.........

[vikramII]

[quote name='kidmakers' timestamp='1320285147' post='3059153']


Dude, first get to know what is in the book, later you can comment on that..

You are just looking like another black sheep following the herd.. why dont you want to gain knowledge... just coz someone said they wanna burn the book for some reason, will you go ahead and do that.. ???


if 100 guys in the DB say that you (yeah.. YOU)are the reason for caste system.. are you going to burn urself.. ?? c'mon man.. put some brains..
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if you follow the thread properly you know that i read the book before you posted here anything. inaddition to that i formed opinion against depending upon quotes of the book quoted by our own indians( family friends) who were fond of manusmriti . the book i read matched their quotes. that translation and the book is provided by some university. so it should be credible. even to maintain clarity i left the link also in the thread. if you think manusmriti is so venerable and i am doing so much nonsense you can check that link it is not that big.
and if you check the youtube link and the comments below you can understand that i posted this video with this title long before florida pastor talked about burning quran. so i am not inspired by someone calling for burning something. and burning a book is not my goal even.
well, in my last post clarified that i am not saying that go buy and burn a manusmriti , but to tell that caste system is still....
well , before saying put some brains, it would be nice if you check the thread properly.

and moreover manusmriti is not a holybook, bhagavadgita is the holy book for us. manusmriti is just a book about social order ( social codes) mixed with religios rigors, its nothing about god....so dont worry about holiness....its completely about humans...
well good to see people with good comments,
thanks

[vikramII]

one of the best lines
buddy

[quote name='PMR aka OM' timestamp='1320286825' post='3059226']
Remember some thing guys ::::

[font=verdana,geneva,sans-serif][color=#ff8c00][size=7][b]Hate your own Caste.. If you see a bad person in your own Caste.. As you have a Right to hate your own caste by birth: No one feels hurt as you are from the same caste..[/b][/size][/color][/font]



[color=#008000][font=verdana,geneva,sans-serif][size=7][b]But never hate some other's caste because you met a bad person from that caste.. you don't have a right to blame his whole caste for one person's actions.[/b][/size][/font][/color]
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[vikramII]

[quote name='CaliStar' timestamp='1320290442' post='3059355']
chala high level lo discussion aitundi ikkada......good guys........

my opinion is i would like to see our society without caste system.........
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buddy

[ToughGuy]

Caste caste caste .......aa pichi eppudu pothadooo ...devudike theliyali