Advantages Of Socialist Govt In Ussr (Russia ) , It's Downfall

[BobbyFischer]

Those who are criticizng communism , must know what actually communism means...I better know about capitalism than any body else in this DB who are in support of Capitalism ! Capitalism completely ignores the concept of social welfare as the main motive of Capitalism is just to amass wealth with the help of some capital investment and efficient resources !

Journey towards Communism was strated first by Lenin and taken over by Stalin later ! Stalin , infact , ruled like a dictator , made the goverment supreme power , tortured and killed people , leaders who were against to him ! Evdiently , I can say the mighty fall of USSR is not just because of the principles of communism , but due to the flaws in the acutal approach of the theoretical concept !

I do agree..Communism,every time must be re invented with time and technology ,as there is a phenomenal change in working class types ! Globalization and speculation are the important aspects of this modern economy , which were hardly existing when 'Communist Manifesto' was framed by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels !

[BobbyFischer]

In the 19th century a significant number of Russians attempted to persuade their rulers to introduce democracy. The same thing was happening all over Europe. It was a slow process. By the beginning of the 19th century most countries in Europe had either removed its monarchy or got it under control. However, these countries were still being ruled by elites. The vast majority of people had no say in the running of their country.

Throughout the 19th century people attempted to achieve democratic rule. The UK was one of the more successful but even so, by the end of the century, the majority of adults did not have the vote.

Russia lagged behind the rest of Europe. By the end of the 19th century the Russian people were still being ruled by the Romanov Dynasty. The Tsar took the title 'Emperor and Autocrat of all Russia' and imposed autocratic rule - government by one man. Unlike in most other European countries, power had not passed from the monarchy to the people. The Tsars of Russia did not take advice from an elected parliament. Instead, the country was run by a ten man ministerial council. Each minister was both appointed and dismissed by the Tsar.

The Tsar also appointed the Chief Procurator of the Russian Orthodox Church. In fact, since 1721, the Orthodox Church had been run as a government department.
The Tsar also had the power to grant hereditary titles. These usually went to men who had achieved high rank in the armed forces and the civil service. It 1900 it was estimated that there were about 1.8 million members of the nobility in Russia.

There had been some attempts at reform. Alexander II, who became the sixteenth Romanov tsar in 1855, attempted to bring in some political reforms. This included permitting each district to set up a Zemstvo. These were local councils with powers to provide roads, schools and medical services. However, the right to elect members was restricted to the wealthy.

Russians in favour of democracy were in a difficult position. They had tried using the methods adopted in other European countries. However, this had been unsuccessful. Some came to the conclusion that democracy could only be achieved by violence.

[BobbyFischer]

Literacy rates before 1917 hardly reached 40%, much less in rural areas, and lower still among women. By the fall of the Soviet Union, literacy rates were higher than in the West.

The advances in health care were also startling. Although Soviet statistics were notoriously unreliable, it is undoubtedly the case that, for the rural and urban poor, access to medical care was very limited, despite the pioneering efforts of the zemstva in the pre-Revolutionary period. I lifted the statistics below from a highly unreliable source which is selectively citing highly unreliable Soviet figures, but the trend is, I think, undeniable...

· By 1938, the 21 years of Soviet rule had brought about a 50% reduction in child mortality rate.

· The height of the average Soviet child in 1938 was one and a quarter inches greater than that of the average child in tsarist Russia.

· The weight of the average Soviet child was eleven and a half pounds greater in 1937 than in 1925.

· The chest expansion of the average Soviet child in 1938 was roughly 1 inch greater than that of the average child in tsarist Russia.

· Incidence of tuberculosis decreased 83% under Soviet rule up till 1938 and continued to decrease.

· Cases of syphilis decreased 90% by 1938 and continued to decrease.

· The death rate in 1937 in the USSR was 40% below the death rate in Russia in 1913 (implying a much higher life expectancy)

[HAPPYLESS]

DB standards telisi kuda intha avasram antava bobby

[BobbyFischer]

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DB standards telisi kuda intha avasram antava bobby
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okallu anna saduvutharu ga...aina nene esthanu , koncham time kavali ani adiga..

[PMREDDY19]

Paga battina paamu lekka.. ninanti topic gurthu etukoni mari esinaav ga..

[HAPPYLESS]

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okallu anna saduvutharu ga...aina nene esthanu , koncham time kavali ani adiga..
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[Vuthal_Bithal]

i should ask- before i read first 3 posts,

are those your own words or?

[Truth_Believer]

While you have your views on Socialism what we should remember is the downfall of any system is due to the people who are in it as human beings are the real flaw in the equation when it comes to implementation Socialism/Communism/Capitalism. Our government has misused these welfare state concepts as a election trump card to get reelected and it made people get used to get everything for "FREE".
Government control can serve some purpose to an extent but too much involvement will turn it into a license raj state and institutionalize bureaucratic corruption.
I don't say Capitalism is perfect but it rewards hard work and innovation and most importantly creates wealth which is essential and motivating factor for entrepreneurs creating a vibrant economy. Greed might be part of it but i would say capitalism with checks and balances would be a idealistic approach. I would favor a free market without a big brother trying to demoralize private sector.

[BobbyFischer]

I have an Excel chart of conversion rates from Russian Rouble to USD

In 1960's it was almost 10USDs for 1 Russian Rouble

[BobbyFischer]

[quote name='Vuthal_Bithal' timestamp='1362545103' post='1303372773']
i should ask- before i read first 3 posts,

are those your own words or?
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The first one is mine...rest of them , I have borrowed !

[NALLABALU]

still you wantedly came here intresting : true story bro

[gundubabu]

Mukka ardam aithe ottu . . .
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[gundubabu]

Calling mental krishna
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[BobbyFischer]

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While you have your views on Socialism what we should remember is the downfall of any system is due to the people who are in it as human beings are the real flaw in the equation when it comes to implementation Socialism/Communism/Capitalism. Our government has misused these welfare state concepts as a election trump card to get reelected and it made people get used to get everything for "FREE".
Government control can serve some purpose to an extent but too much involvement will turn it into a license raj state and institutionalize bureaucratic corruption.
I don't say Capitalism is perfect but it rewards hard work and innovation and most importantly creates wealth which is essential and motivating factor for entrepreneurs creating a vibrant economy.[b] Greed might be part of it [/b]but i would say capitalism with checks and balances would be a idealistic approach. I would favor a free market without a big brother trying to demoralize private sector.
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Only greed are the part of it...that's the problem with Capitalism ! What US has done after the end of the cold war , I can say from 1970's is the method of neo colonialistic approach , by promoting capitalism across the globe ! In yesterday's conversation lots of BJP supporters were worrying about the missing culture and historical roots of the ancient India , in the modern day Congress Rule ! I just wanted to tell them and you that the evolution of the capitalism involved in up rooting culturers of several countries from the Latin Panama/Mexico to Recent Iraq !

The danger of the hot money , is all time threatening the 3rd world nations , which will plunder the reserves of those nations in the name of short term mass investments , which was happened in Thailand ! You may give it different names like Foreign Direct Investment or Portfolio investment...The bottom line of every Liberal economic policy is to direct the money reserves and the wealth created by natural resources in the 3rd world nations , to the so called Capitalism promoting developed nations !


US and Capitalism are the ###### on the face of this world !!!