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With all due respect shivamy,
The constant claim about India's rich culture and heritage is largely a myth. At least if you take an honest look at the ground reality.
There is no such thing as "culture on paper". Culture is simply what is out there on the street. There is no other "form" of culture except the society which you encounter here and now. Everything else only exists in mythology as a way to soothe feelings with a lie, a fraud, a myth. But genuine culture is a living breathing thing. It exists out there in the open, not in books. Culture is gauged by statistics like levels of corruption, treatment of women, treatment of the poor, the old, children etc. And India fails miserably on virtually every count.
Now I cannot vouch for what India was or might have been in centuries or millenia gone by (and quite possibly India was indeed great then compared to the West) but today India is like a thief whose ancestors were once honest men - and[b] its no use what your history is, what your ancestors were, tell me "WHAT ARE YOU TODAY, India?"[/b]
[color=#00ff00][b]The Answer is today you are one of the most corrupt nations on earth, one of the worst countries to be a woman, a nation that kills and burns its daughters by the millions every year - some of them before birth and some after.[/b][/color]

[color=#ff0000]A nation whose citizens lack any sense of civility or even basic manners, have very little to no sense of solidarity, still have a deep level of prejudice whether that be against lower castes or women (though to be fair that is improving), not to mention overt and deep racism against dark skinned people (even among their own!). [/color][b][color=#0000ff]Worse still, it is a nation with a police force and political membership that is criminal, bureaucrats so depraved that will sell their own wives or mothers for money and a justice system that is dysfunctional.[/color][/b][color=#ff0000] Sometimes we middle and upper class folk never pause to think what it is like to be poor in a nation like India. [size=5][b]What it is like to be told to get lost when a poor man goes to register a police complaint,[/b][/size][/color][color=#800080][b] what it is like to be told to cough up money by the police when your child is kidnapped, what it is like when you shop or home is brazenly seized by thugs, what it is like when a man throws acid in your face and then you must live to see him smirk at you after serving but a few months in prison (if even that).[/b][/color]
By what standards then can one say "rich culture" with a straight face? Even a couple of the horrific features mentioned above would be enough to blackball a society and India has them filled to the brim. If ever there is a richness in this culture, it certainly is doing a very good job of remaining in hiding.
[b]Take corruption alone - how can a nation where everyone and their grandmother (not just politicians) ask for bribes and tell a poor man to get lost - make any claim at all to virtue? I've often said - You want to know which countries are the most materialistic? Just show me the list of the most corrupt nations. Because corruption is the very heart, the basest essence of materialism.[/b]
India, my friend, is a democracy - it has many freedoms and it is streets ahead than such failed states like its neighbor Pakistan - but it can only claim to have a "rich heritage" in a way that Iraq or Egypt may lay claim to a heritage that is older than 3000 years. But that's all in the past. That is history. And all that matters is the here and now.


I think you can tell the difference. The comments that are meaninglessly virulent reek with racism and hatred, have no logical argument let alone constructive criticism.
Few things I'd also like to add, now that I have your attention -
1. Reform begins only where denial ends. I think it is a welcome change that more and more Indians - especially the younger generation - are starting to take a closer look at their nation. They alone can change it. The past generations (especially those over the last quarter century) have failed them miserably. The change won't happen overnight but is a continual process. It helps to remember that even Western city administrations were quite corrupt as recently as the early 20th century. So nothing is a given, nothing is inevitable, no situation is hopeless.
2. This point may seem a little oblique but I actually see the crime against women today in India as a backlash against the fact that they are starting to assert their rights and assume the rightful place that they must have in any modern civilized nation. I think that if women were as suppressed as they are in barbaric societies like Saudi Arabia, you wouldn't see much overt crime since they are not allowed out of the home in the first place. Women are increasingly getting educated in India and succeeding professionally and there will be an inevitable backlash from men who think it is their god-given right to be superior to any woman.[b] But this shameful reaction is in itself a sign of a welcome progress of women. It is akin to how divorce rates in the West went up once women had equal rights as men and did not have to take any rubbish from their husbands. Of course the divorce itself wasn't desirable but once you see it in the light of why it happened, it was completely understandable. Similarly the cultural battle is being fought every single day in India in every school with with every little girl, every poor person, every child from a discriminated caste.[/b] Progress comes drop by drop and with an educated populace, prejudices start to grow weaker (as seen in Indian cities today versus villages, akin to what happened in the American Deep South)
3. Finally, as bluntly as I pointed out that culture is the present and now, culture is also not preordained. It is dynamic and changes constantly. There is no "genetic" reason why India cannot reach the same level of human rights as say Norway or Germany. It takes political will, it takes a mind that is open to reason and logic. But it is completely possible and with time it will happen in India. What is in debate in my mind is the rate at which it happens. There is no question that it will happen eventually, but the sooner the better.
One of the greatest, most moving and inspirational pieces of poetry that I have read in my life was Tagore's prayer for his country -
"Where the mind is without fear and the head is held high...
....Where words come out from the depth of truth
....Where the clear stream of reason has not lost its way into the dreary desert sand of dead habit"
It is not a creed merely for a nation but for all of humanity.





one of the comment

[tom bhayya]

chinky vaadu baga cheppadu
in a populous country,there are some vicious men who hide in the crowd,only a small proportion.you should not lose your confidence in your country even when something awful happen.Just like in this case,if you are a passerby,will you join this awful crime? if not,never be inconfident in your country.feeling ashamed changes nothing.you should meke effort to change.Just like in China,there are many awful things like bad food,air pollution,the death of a toddler。。。。。..but I never lose my confidence in my country.Buck up!

[nani8055]

[quote name='Alexander' timestamp='1363623477' post='1303442988']
chinky vaadu baga cheppadu
in a populous country,there are some vicious men who hide in the crowd,only a small proportion.you should not lose your confidence in your country even when something awful happen.Just like in this case,if you are a passerby,will you join this awful crime? if not,never be inconfident in your country.feeling ashamed changes nothing.you should meke effort to change.Just like in China,there are many awful things like bad food,air pollution,the death of a toddler。。。。。..but I never lose my confidence in my country.Buck up!
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[fulltimedasu]

[quote name='Alexander' timestamp='1363623477' post='1303442988']
chinky vaadu baga cheppadu
in a populous country,there are some vicious men who hide in the crowd,only a small proportion.you should not lose your confidence in your country even when something awful happen.Just like in this case,if you are a passerby,will you join this awful crime? if not,never be inconfident in your country.feeling ashamed changes nothing.you should meke effort to change.Just like in China,there are many awful things like bad food,air pollution,the death of a toddler。。。。。..but I never lose my confidence in my country.Buck up!
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tappu manushuladi aithe matrubhumi ni enduku tidataro ardham kaadu...vote veyyaru a manshullo vellu kooda vuntaru ani marchipoyi matladataru

[Vivian_afdb]

With all due respect shivamy,
The constant claim about India's rich culture and heritage is largely a myth. At least if you take an honest look at the ground reality.
There is no such thing as "culture on paper". Culture is simply what is out there on the street. There is no other "form" of culture except the society which you encounter here and now. Everything else only exists in mythology as a way to soothe feelings with a lie, a fraud, a myth. But genuine culture is a living breathing thing. It exists out there in the open, not in books. Culture is gauged by statistics like levels of corruption, treatment of women, treatment of the poor, the old, children etc. And India fails miserably on virtually every count.
Now I cannot vouch for what India was or might have been in centuries or millenia gone by (and quite possibly India was indeed great then compared to the West) but today India is like a thief whose ancestors were once honest men - and[b] its no use what your history is, what your ancestors were, tell me "WHAT ARE YOU TODAY, India?"[/b]
[color=#00ff00][b]The Answer is today you are one of the most corrupt nations on earth, one of the worst countries to be a woman, a nation that kills and burns its daughters by the millions every year - some of them before birth and some after.[/b][/color]

[color=#ff0000]A nation whose citizens lack any sense of civility or even basic manners, have very little to no sense of solidarity, still have a deep level of prejudice whether that be against lower castes or women (though to be fair that is improving), not to mention overt and deep racism against dark skinned people (even among their own!). [/color][b][color=#0000ff]Worse still, it is a nation with a police force and political membership that is criminal, bureaucrats so depraved that will sell their own wives or mothers for money and a justice system that is dysfunctional.[/color][/b][color=#ff0000] Sometimes we middle and upper class folk never pause to think what it is like to be poor in a nation like India. [size=5][b]What it is like to be told to get lost when a poor man goes to register a police complaint,[/b][/size][/color][color=#800080][b] what it is like to be told to cough up money by the police when your child is kidnapped, what it is like when you shop or home is brazenly seized by thugs, what it is like when a man throws acid in your face and then you must live to see him smirk at you after serving but a few months in prison (if even that).[/b][/color]
By what standards then can one say "rich culture" with a straight face? Even a couple of the horrific features mentioned above would be enough to blackball a society and India has them filled to the brim. If ever there is a richness in this culture, it certainly is doing a very good job of remaining in hiding.
[b]Take corruption alone - how can a nation where everyone and their grandmother (not just politicians) ask for bribes and tell a poor man to get lost - make any claim at all to virtue? I've often said - You want to know which countries are the most materialistic? Just show me the list of the most corrupt nations. Because corruption is the very heart, the basest essence of materialism.[/b]
India, my friend, is a democracy - it has many freedoms and it is streets ahead than such failed states like its neighbor Pakistan - but it can only claim to have a "rich heritage" in a way that Iraq or Egypt may lay claim to a heritage that is older than 3000 years. But that's all in the past. That is history. And all that matters is the here and now.




one of the comment

[Raambabu]

[fulltimedasu]

While I agree that one should not harp on "great culture" etc to comfort oneself and forget about the current realities and state of affairs of the nation...It is equally important to know the history, learn from it and make sure that mistakes of the past does not repeat itself...Unfortunately we are not doing the same.

[Vivian_afdb]

[quote name='Alexander' timestamp='1363623477' post='1303442988']
chinky vaadu baga cheppadu
in a populous country,there are some vicious men who hide in the crowd,only a small proportion.you should not lose your confidence in your country even when something awful happen.Just like in this case,if you are a passerby,will you join this awful crime? if not,never be inconfident in your country.feeling ashamed changes nothing.you should meke effort to change.Just like in China,there are many awful things like bad food,air pollution,the death of a toddler。。。。。..but I never lose my confidence in my country.Buck up!
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[Vivian_afdb]

I think you can tell the difference. The comments that are meaninglessly virulent reek with racism and hatred, have no logical argument let alone constructive criticism.
Few things I'd also like to add, now that I have your attention -
1. Reform begins only where denial ends. I think it is a welcome change that more and more Indians - especially the younger generation - are starting to take a closer look at their nation. They alone can change it. The past generations (especially those over the last quarter century) have failed them miserably. The change won't happen overnight but is a continual process. It helps to remember that even Western city administrations were quite corrupt as recently as the early 20th century. So nothing is a given, nothing is inevitable, no situation is hopeless.
2. This point may seem a little oblique but I actually see the crime against women today in India as a backlash against the fact that they are starting to assert their rights and assume the rightful place that they must have in any modern civilized nation. I think that if women were as suppressed as they are in barbaric societies like Saudi Arabia, you wouldn't see much overt crime since they are not allowed out of the home in the first place. Women are increasingly getting educated in India and succeeding professionally and there will be an inevitable backlash from men who think it is their god-given right to be superior to any woman.[b] But this shameful reaction is in itself a sign of a welcome progress of women. It is akin to how divorce rates in the West went up once women had equal rights as men and did not have to take any rubbish from their husbands. Of course the divorce itself wasn't desirable but once you see it in the light of why it happened, it was completely understandable. Similarly the cultural battle is being fought every single day in India in every school with with every little girl, every poor person, every child from a discriminated caste.[/b] Progress comes drop by drop and with an educated populace, prejudices start to grow weaker (as seen in Indian cities today versus villages, akin to what happened in the American Deep South)
3. Finally, as bluntly as I pointed out that culture is the present and now, culture is also not preordained. It is dynamic and changes constantly. There is no "genetic" reason why India cannot reach the same level of human rights as say Norway or Germany. It takes political will, it takes a mind that is open to reason and logic. But it is completely possible and with time it will happen in India. What is in debate in my mind is the rate at which it happens. There is no question that it will happen eventually, but the sooner the better.
One of the greatest, most moving and inspirational pieces of poetry that I have read in my life was Tagore's prayer for his country -
"Where the mind is without fear and the head is held high...
....Where words come out from the depth of truth
....Where the clear stream of reason has not lost its way into the dreary desert sand of dead habit"
It is not a creed merely for a nation but for all of humanity.

[Terminator II]

[sboyr2r]

Matter entii

Agreed with Alex

[TENALI_TELUGODU]

[Vivian_afdb]

[quote name='Daakumangalsingh' timestamp='1363625117' post='1303443107']
Matter entii

Agreed with Alex
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neku cnn open avvadha ofs lo

[tom bhayya]

[img]http://i.imgflip.com/pe3n.gif[/img] cnn article varaku endhuku ippudey hyd thread chusi vachaa as it is unnaru

[Vivian_afdb]

[quote name='Alexander' timestamp='1363625415' post='1303443142']
[img]http://i.imgflip.com/pe3n.gif[/img] cnn article varaku endhuku ippudey hyd thread chusi vachaa as it is unnaru
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atleast mana desam paruvu pothahdi ani kuda alochincharu