Religious Conversions In Godavari District

[netdevelooper]

[quote name='ILAQAT_MUFLIYA' timestamp='1371667258' post='1303870851']
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+1 illiterates ante bhayya they help and when the most required help is given to them they are automatically attracted to it..

mind game anteee bhayya marii ala longipothe kastam kada .. it all depends on person to person..[b] vallaki istam lepothe vinaddu .. vini attract authunnar ante edoo untadi kda..[/b]

mana govt cheyyatle kada elagu..
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human brain does all things through inspiration and motivation.
every indian brain works only on those 2 factors that may be good or bad.
attract avuthunaru ante it does not mean that it has good in it.
his/her brain has been motivated towards it and for people like us it seems like attraction.
this conversion is motivating their minds slowly and finally ends in money,lands..etc

[ILAQAT_MUFLIYA]

[quote name='blissful' timestamp='1371667590' post='1303870869']
human brain does all things through inspiration and motivation.
every indian brain works only on those 2 factors that may be good or bad.
attract avuthunaru ante it does not mean that it has good in it.
his/her brain has been motivated towards it and for people like us it seems like attraction.
this conversion is motivating their minds slowly and finally ends in money,lands..etc
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hmmm may be bhayya .. but how is that going to affect us .. reservations avi ante picha lite.. already unna reservations valla kothaga aina valla valla poyedi em ledu .. it will affect the people converting either be good or bad...

[posaanisam]

attraction anedi vallu free benifits nd all chupinchi chestunaru ,more over "if u join hands wit us u wil get more benfits dan ur religion" ee words inner meaning ento chepakarledu anukunta kada ..
effect anedi manaki telidu ,mana next generation ki telustundi ,andaru thourgh reservation potunte inka non-reservation candidates ki emi migultundi ,seats kani fee kani any plan frm govt nd others der 1st preference is d reservation.. antaka mundu sports reservation ani undedi ipudu adi kuda cancel chesindi so non-reservd candidates how wil surivive ...?
[quote name='blissful' timestamp='1371667590' post='1303870869']
human brain does all things through inspiration and motivation.
every indian brain works only on those 2 factors that may be good or bad.
attract avuthunaru ante it does not mean that it has good in it.
his/her brain has been motivated towards it and for people like us it seems like attraction.
this conversion is motivating their minds slowly and finally ends in money,lands..etc
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[quote name='ILAQAT_MUFLIYA' timestamp='1371667888' post='1303870888']
hmmm may be bhayya .. but how is that going to affect us .. reservations avi ante picha lite.. already unna reservations valla kothaga aina valla valla poyedi em ledu .. it will affect the people converting either be good or bad...
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[posaanisam]

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[quote name='SampuKampu' timestamp='1371622176' post='1303869000']
"If u break the culture of any nation then it is easy to occupy" idi nenu ichhina statement kaadu. This is how britishers successfully ruled our country. Now the conversions will create a sense of feeling to the people that this land doesn't belong to them and will result in dire consequences.

Christian Missionaries kaavalani Ganesh pandals petti akkada bhootu paatalu pettadam nenu chaala saarlu choosaa.. kaani that is a completely converted colony and they literraly do it on purpose to create hatred for Hindus on their religion. Idi just example. Every tom, dick and lafooot channel cracks jokes on Hindus gurus and babas. Do u ever know how mean the christian missoinaries are. They resort to all blackmailing and also forcible sex.. kaani ivi emi news channels lo raavu.. this is also one of the ways people are being diverted and developing hatred for hinduism.

evadu vayya casteism in hindus ani cheppindi.. Dalitha Christians ani peru vinadam ledaa meeru anthaa.. Matam anedi talli laantidi.. dabbulu kosam ammukodam anedi evariki vallu alochinchaali..
"Free Free Free" ee Free ane padam kevalam somaripotulaki vartistundi. kastapadam istam leni vaallaki.. There are many legally acceptable ways to live than running for these freebies.

Always remeber "we are loosing our cluture and thus our country by encouraging conversions and not protesting against these conversions".. Thousands of cases were filed on this JIshua mission as these people are looting and fleecing money from the poor by promising them double and triple the amounts and finally converting them to Christianity.. Poor people kaadu paniki maalina vaallu pani chetakaani vaallu are getting converted.. STOP THESE missionaries where ever u find them..
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[bindazking]

akkada jarigeedhi jaruguthundhi light lelo.. we can't stop this. .

[mettastar]

[quote name='Posanism' timestamp='1371670059' post='1303871002']
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[url="http://www.andhrafriends.com/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=1303869000"][img]http://www.andhrafriends.com/public/style_images/tctc91_pulse/snapback.png[/img][/url]SampuKampu, on 19 June 2013 - 02:09 AM, said:[/b][/size][/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(247, 247, 247)]

"If u break the culture of any nation then it is easy to occupy" idi nenu ichhina statement kaadu. This is how britishers successfully ruled our country. Now the conversions will create a sense of feeling to the people that this land doesn't belong to them and will result in dire consequences.

Christian Missionaries kaavalani Ganesh pandals petti akkada bhootu paatalu pettadam nenu chaala saarlu choosaa.. kaani that is a completely converted colony and they literraly do it on purpose to create hatred for Hindus on their religion. Idi just example. Every tom, dick and lafooot channel cracks jokes on Hindus gurus and babas. Do u ever know how mean the christian missoinaries are. They resort to all blackmailing and also forcible sex.. kaani ivi emi news channels lo raavu.. this is also one of the ways people are being diverted and developing hatred for hinduism.

evadu vayya casteism in hindus ani cheppindi.. Dalitha Christians ani peru vinadam ledaa meeru anthaa.. Matam anedi talli laantidi.. dabbulu kosam ammukodam anedi evariki vallu alochinchaali..
"Free Free Free" ee Free ane padam kevalam somaripotulaki vartistundi. kastapadam istam leni vaallaki.. There are many legally acceptable ways to live than running for these freebies.

Always remeber "we are loosing our cluture and thus our country by encouraging conversions and not protesting against these conversions".. Thousands of cases were filed on this JIshua mission as these people are looting and fleecing money from the poor by promising them double and triple the amounts and finally converting them to Christianity.. Poor people kaadu paniki maalina vaallu pani chetakaani vaallu are getting converted.. STOP THESE missionaries where ever u find them..[/background][/size][/font][/color]

good post bhayyaa...
kaani e DB lo unnavaallu emi cheyalemu.. atleast manaki telisina vallu convert avakunda chudali anthe... counselling cheyali anthakante em cheyalemu...

[Vaampire]

[quote name='Posanism' timestamp='1371670040' post='1303871001']
attraction anedi vallu free benifits nd all chupinchi chestunaru ,more over "if u join hands wit us u wil get more benfits dan ur religion" ee words inner meaning ento chepakarledu anukunta kada ..
effect anedi manaki telidu ,mana next generation ki telustundi ,andaru thourgh reservation potunte inka non-reservation candidates ki emi migultundi ,seats kani fee kani any plan frm govt nd others der 1st preference is d reservation.. antaka mundu sports reservation ani undedi ipudu adi kuda cancel chesindi so non-reservd candidates how wil surivive ...?
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bhayya akkada religion maarithey ney intha godava chesthunaru. mari manam mana deshanni vadili ikkada untunam kada. ikkada work chesi ikkadi financial position better chesthunam kada. adhey india lo enduku chesthey india development ki help avuthundi kada.

manam kooda US ki attract ayyey vacham. mana lanti vallu andaru ila verey deshalaki valasapothuntey vachey nastam kooda india lo undey future generations ki telusthundi kada.


manam okka daaniki attract ayyi manam mana HOME Country ni vadili ikkadiki vacham.
vallu verey matham ki attract ayyi puttina mathanni vadilesi aa mathaniki convert ayyaru.

rendu similar kaadu antava??

[netdevelooper]

[quote name='Vaampire' timestamp='1371670437' post='1303871030']
bhayya akkada religion maarithey ney intha godava chesthunaru. [b]mari manam mana deshanni vadili ikkada untunam kada[/b]. ikkada work chesi ikkadi financial position better chesthunam kada. adhey india lo enduku chesthey india development ki help avuthundi kada.

manam kooda US ki attract ayyey vacham. mana lanti vallu andaru ila verey deshalaki valasapothuntey vachey nastam kooda india lo undey future generations ki telusthundi kada.


manam okka daaniki [b]attract [/b]ayyi manam mana [b]HOME Country[/b] ni vadili ikkadiki vacham.
vallu verey[b] matham ki attract ayyi[/b] puttina mathanni vadilesi aa mathaniki [b]convert ayyaru.[/b]

rendu similar kaadu antava??
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rendu yela okati avuthunayi
are we scolding india while staying in us?
us ravataniki yevari daggara money tisukoni vacham?
no body motivated ur or intentionally dragged us to united states .we are here @our own risk.
its good for india in future generations if somebody says that Indian brains rule world.

[mettastar]

[quote name='Vaampire' timestamp='1371670437' post='1303871030']
bhayya akkada religion maarithey ney intha godava chesthunaru. mari manam mana deshanni vadili ikkada untunam kada. ikkada work chesi ikkadi financial position better chesthunam kada. adhey india lo enduku chesthey india development ki help avuthundi kada.

manam kooda US ki attract ayyey vacham. mana lanti vallu andaru ila verey deshalaki valasapothuntey vachey nastam kooda india lo undey future generations ki telusthundi kada.


manam okka daaniki attract ayyi manam mana HOME Country ni vadili ikkadiki vacham.
vallu verey matham ki attract ayyi puttina mathanni vadilesi aa mathaniki convert ayyaru.

rendu similar kaadu antava??
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I dont hate my country.. i still respect and love my country... i may go back to my country after some time..
and because of Software engineers lot of youth getting employed in India.. so nothing wrong...

and ivi rendu chaala different... im not loosing my identity here..

[brahmacharya]

[quote name='Vaampire' timestamp='1371670437' post='1303871030']
bhayya akkada religion maarithey ney intha godava chesthunaru. mari manam mana deshanni vadili ikkada untunam kada. ikkada work chesi ikkadi financial position better chesthunam kada. adhey india lo enduku chesthey india development ki help avuthundi kada.

manam kooda US ki attract ayyey vacham. mana lanti vallu andaru ila verey deshalaki valasapothuntey vachey nastam kooda india lo undey future generations ki telusthundi kada.


manam okka daaniki attract ayyi manam mana HOME Country ni vadili ikkadiki vacham.
vallu verey matham ki attract ayyi puttina mathanni vadilesi aa mathaniki convert ayyaru.

rendu similar kaadu antava??
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similar kaane kaadu.....USA vachi India meeda hatred penchukuntava? cheedarinchukoni chedu pracharam chestava??

Mata pracharam, mata marpidi nachi mare valli vella meeda lekka pette number vuntaru and they are no threat to the society....hatred penchi, food petti mariste gharshanalu vastayi...neo converts with specific hatred to Hindu society are a threat to the nation as their loyalty resides with foreign conversion missionaries and they play to the tunes of missionaries...as I said missionary is the 4th arm (apart from military, navy & airforce) for British empire to gain foot hold in many places by destroying ethinic cultures and converting locals.

Nuvvu India ni Hinduism ni dabbulu istanu tittu ante tidatava? mari ela compare chestav?

1857 revolt where Hindus-Muslims united like never before ki conversion+british arachakalu were the main themes....the revolt was so massive that British empire had to take control of India from East India company and chalked out a long term strategy instead of short one for conversions...they knew it was not easy to trampled down on Indian faith just like Africa because ours is rooted in search of truth

So alanti comparisons chesi vadinchaku bro lite

[brahmacharya]

[url="http://organiser.org/Encyc/2012/9/11/-b-Ban-on-Induced-Religious-Conversion-is-Constitutional--b-.aspx?NB=&lang=4&m1=&m2=&p1=&p2=&p3=&p4=&PageType=N"]http://organiser.org/Encyc/2012/9/11/-b-Ban-on-Induced-Religious-Conversion-is-Constitutional--b-.aspx?NB=&lang=4&m1=&m2=&p1=&p2=&p3=&p4=&PageType=N[/url]

[brahmacharya]

[b] [b]Ban on Induced Religious Conversion is Constitutional[/b][/b]



[center][b]Himachal Freedom of Religion Act[/b][/center]
[center][b]Dr Subramanian Swamy[/b][/center]
[b][img]http://organiser.org/Encyc/2012/9/11/40_05_43_32_3_H@@IGHT_78_W@@IDTH_61.jpg[/img]The[/b][b] Himachal Pradesh High Court Bench has handed down a landmark judgement on the HP Freedom of Religion Act (HPFRA) holding it to be Constitutional. The Act was challenged by Christian missionary organisations as against the Constituiton and secularism. [/b]

The Bill to enact the Act was in fact moved by a Congress-led Government of Virbhadra Singh, the maverick Chief Minister in the Himachal Pradesh Assembly, and it was[i] unanimously passed [/i]in 2006. It received Governor’s Assent on 18.2.07.

The Object for the said Act was framed in the Preamble as a “prohibition of conversion from one religion to another by the use of force or inducement or by fraudulent means and for matters connected therewith or incidental thereto”.

In 2011, two Writ Petitions were filed in the HP High Court by two Christian missionary organisations challenging the constitutionality of the Act and the Rules framed under the Act. There was no explanation given for this long delay of four years between the Bill’s enactment and the Christian missionaries approaching the High Court.

The main point that the two Petitioners sought to make was that the Act was unconstitutional since it sought to [i]deter[/i] the Christian missionaries from exercising their fundamental rights of propagation and conversion activities, which they said was guaranteed under Article 25 of the Constitution.
They also charged that the HPFR Act was to[i] frighten[/i] a citizen from freely exercising his or her fundamental right to convert to Christianity.
I decided to intervene in the case at the urging of the VHP. The Court permitted me to lead arguments, which I did at length. I raised five main objections to these Writ Petitions.

First, I argued that the petitioners had no locus standi, because they had not adduced any legally valid evidence that anyone has been aggrieved by this newly enacted statute, viz., HPFRA. It was also apparent from that none of the three Petitioners were [i]not [/i]personally aggrieved from any infringement of their fundamental rights to get converted.

Second, the major flaw in the two Petitions was that there has been a failure of the Petitioners to distinguish their respective cases from the Constitutional Bench judgement of the Supreme Court in the Rev. Stainislaus vs State of Madhya Pradesh (AIR 1977 SC 908 Vol II, p.55), and which judgement holds the field today.

This was a serious flaw since most of the Sections and Rules of the HPFRA were identical to such Acts in other States, which were considered by the Supreme Court Constitutional Bench and were upheld as constitutional. Thus, there is no question of considering the[i] ultra vires[/i] of the Act or the Rule making power under it.

Third, the Supreme Court [Bennet Coleman case (1972) 2 SCC 788] had held that the test in determining the question whether a legislation or executive action infringes the fundamental rights is to examine its effects and not its object or subject matter. The Petitioners failed to do so in this regard.
Although the Petitioners have sworn in their affidavits that all the facts in their respective Petitions are to their “personal knowledge” yet it is obvious that the violent incidents and instances of intimidation cited in the Petition [i]and alleged to be a consequence of[/i] enacting the impugned legislation, could not have been to their personal knowledge since they have not sworn that they were at the site of the said incidents.
Fourth, the Constitutional Bench of the Supreme Court Court held in the Stainislaus Case that such Freedom of Religion Acts fall within the purview of Entry II of the Seventh Schedule of Article 246 of the Constitution “as they are meant to avoid disturbances to the public order by prohibiting conversion from one religion to another in a manner reprehensible to the conscience of the community”.

The Apex Court in the said Stanislaus Case also observed that “it cannot be predicated that freedom of religion can have no bearing whatever on the maintenance of public order or that a law creating an offence relating to religion cannot under any circumstances be said to have been enacted in the interest of public order”.

[brahmacharya]

This ruling has since been re-affirmed in recent judgements of the Supreme Court. In Rabindra Kumar Pal @ Dara Singh v. Republic of India [in (2011) 2 SCC 490 at para 97], the Court said, “There is no justification for interfering in someone’s religious belief by any means”.
In the Stainislaus judgement, the Supreme Court held that (para. 22) “if forcible conversion had not been prohibited, that would have caused public disorder in the States (of Madhya Pradesh and Orissa)”.

Thus, I argued, the Petitioners had been derailed by focusing on the right to convert when in fact they ought to have been concerned about public order that would be disturbed by fraudulent forced or induced conversions.


Induced or forced religious conversions, thus, arising from demeaning other religions have impacted on pluralism in society, and on the religious demography of the nation and hence there are dire consequences for public order, public health and public morality. The State thus has to act as a deterrent.

Fifthly, the necessity for placing reasonable restrictions on the right to propagate religion in Independent India was emphasised during the freedom struggle by Mahatma Gandhi and Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel.

Hinduism, which is the only theology which explicitly accepts that all religions lead to God is thus inherently committed to secularism and hence tolerant of other religions. In the Vedas, it is repeatedly stated [i]Ekam Sat Vipra Bahuda Vadanti[/i]. No other religion states this. Parsis, Jews, Syrian Christians, and Moplah Muslims in India testify to this.

But Christianity and Islam are not inherently secular and are fundamentally predatory proselytising theologies that do not accept any other religion.
Hence, an underlying concern of modern India’s founding fathers of the Constitution has been how to ensure that there is a stable religious demography in the country and thus continued plurality in worship in modern India.

For this objective and concern, in Jammu & Kashmir for example, Article 370 was incorporated in the Constitution to prevent migration of people from the rest of India into the state and disturb the religious demography.

However, in Kashmir Valley, being majority Muslim, we have witnessed forced emigration of Hindu Pandits and Sikhs, out of the State leading besides forcible conversions to Islam.

The said Article failed thus to provide protection for forced emigration of Hindus from the State. In varying degrees, this has been the fate of Hindus wherever they are in a minority.

The Indian Republic therefore can preserve a liberal religious outlook only if the Hindus remain in overwhelming majority in the country. Any rapid change in religious demography will therefore cause a huge public disorder.

That is, to safeguard secularism, we cannot allow the present religious demography to be wholesale altered by induced, forced or fraudulent conversions to Christianity and Islam.

Democratically elected state governments have thus been constitutionally empowered to take pre-emptive action to deter any kind of forced or bribed conversion because it de-stabilises the religious demographic structure of the nation.

Much noise has been made by the Evangelists about the High Court direction to delete Section 4 of the Act. The fact is that the Congress government which passed the Act had poorly drafted it, and I had agreed that the BJP HP government must bring an amendment to replace Section 4 as presently drafted. Section 4 only required that anyone intending to convert should first inform the police. The word “intend” if replaced with “decided” will make it acceptable.

[size=6][b]The important result is that banning of induced conversions has been held to be constitutional. This is a total defeat of the Christian missionaries.[/b][/size]

[posaanisam]

manam mana desanni complete ga vadileyaledu kada... malli tappakunda veltam kada.. mana country lo oppurtunies leke kada ila vere country ki velledi ,ade vere source undi unte mana country lone undevallamu kada ,mana availability ni batti manam veltunam ante kada...

vere vallu attract avadam veru vallani force cheyadam veru ... ekuva mandi money kosam or other benfits kosame kada change ayedi (nly few geniue ga change avutunnaru).
manalni evaru intiki vachi US randi mi desam kanna ma desam lo oppurtunities baguntai ani cheppaledu kada ,kani ikada konta mandi alane chestunaru ,religion change aite month ki inta money nd free seats istam ani anuntaru ,so dinni emantaru emotional blackmail kada...

ipudu IIT lo kuda reservations unnai ,
exmp : non-reservd candidate ki 20000 rank vachindi anuko, oka clg lo admision untundi ade same seat ki reservation candidate apply chesukunte rank takkuva una sare 1st preferance atanike istaru .. nt nly study govt jobs matter lo kuda same... ipudu konni pvt companies lo dinni implement cheyalani force chestunaru so dinivalla enta mandi mida effect padutundi.. sarina worth unna candidate ki value untunda asalu

PS: me frm IND bhayya nt US

[quote name='Vaampire' timestamp='1371670437' post='1303871030']
bhayya akkada religion maarithey ney intha godava chesthunaru. mari manam mana deshanni vadili ikkada untunam kada. ikkada work chesi ikkadi financial position better chesthunam kada. adhey india lo enduku chesthey india development ki help avuthundi kada.

manam kooda US ki attract ayyey vacham. mana lanti vallu andaru ila verey deshalaki valasapothuntey vachey nastam kooda india lo undey future generations ki telusthundi kada.


manam okka daaniki attract ayyi manam mana HOME Country ni vadili ikkadiki vacham.
vallu verey matham ki attract ayyi puttina mathanni vadilesi aa mathaniki convert ayyaru.

rendu similar kaadu antava??
[/quote]

[brahmacharya]

[size=5][b]The Object for the said Act was framed in the Preamble as a “prohibition of conversion from one religion to another by the use of force or inducement or by fraudulent means and for matters connected therewith or incidental thereto”.[/b][/size]

idi chalada....forced conversion chese vallani tokki petti nara tiyyali