Debate: Why Is India Losing Its Unity In Diversity?

[Jatka Bandi]

[quote name='bindazking' timestamp='1376936510' post='1304135121']

Yes, unity is there to write in books..
[/quote]I don't agree.
simple example, our ancestors used to live in large families but now we live in nuclear families.

[Jatka Bandi]

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[Jatka Bandi]

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[Maximus]

[quote name='bantrothu bullabbai' timestamp='1376886895' post='1304132999']
Opinions and debates. A discussion on any possible solution. Personal/regional abuse ki vellakandi.
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ennnooo years daruvatha nee mota modati manci post vesavu bullaabbai..[img]http://lh5.ggpht.com/-Zsz7wQMEKLA/UYrIToa8SNI/AAAAAAAAAeQ/F6ZkPinPpfY/s150/PR.gif[/img]

Answer:We the people

[Jatka Bandi]

[quote name='Maximus' timestamp='1379523985' post='1304266159']
ennnooo years daruvatha nee mota modati manci post vesavu bullaabbai..[img]http://lh5.ggpht.com/-Zsz7wQMEKLA/UYrIToa8SNI/AAAAAAAAAeQ/F6ZkPinPpfY/s150/PR.gif[/img]

Answer:We the people
[/quote]post esi 1 month avutundi....
exactly... people don't want to realize and blame others for each stupid thing [img]http://lh4.ggpht.com/_w6woaucs0VU/SXEeNtY4xdI/AAAAAAAAACY/8yQ0cZQSsZw/Ketawa%27lucu.jpg[/img]

[Maximus]

[quote name='bantrothu bullabbai' timestamp='1379524185' post='1304266176']
post esi 1 month avutundi....
exactly... people doesn't want to realize and blame others for each stupid thing
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aapudu cheppaledu andukey ippudu cheppa...[img]http://i.imgflip.com/seta.gif[/img]
ignorance..stupidity abboo...enduku ley...

[narsayya]

Unity in diversity is a myth, which can't be seen anywhere in the world.

Except may be rich countries where people mind their own businesses within their own circles. Throw in a recession, poverty, and we can see how united these people are in the face of diversity. Its a joke.

Indians are not better or worse than anyone in the world. They are just poorer.

[BobbyFischer]

[quote name='narsayya' timestamp='1376894262' post='1304133230']
Anyway to stick to the original topic, our culture is being mocked at, derided at home, and internationally. Naturally, people will revert to something they can hold on to strongly, which is caste, religion etc.

no wonder, india is getting more and more intolerant.

The only solution is to found a Hindu state. It doesn't mean Hindus have to be united. It only means they recognize the commonalities and build a system that's fair for everyone, including muslims, xians.
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Being a Swayam sevak ,there is no wonder you are trying to hail Hindu Assertion.

But in contrary to you opinion , I must say it's the time to liberate hinduism from politics...there is a need to evolve a character of modern HIndu for whom pride in his tradition should co exist with needs of modern multi-faith democractic society...unfortunately Sangh Parviar is lacking this ! It is pulling India back to pre indepence era...

Narasayya few questions regarding Hinduism

1. Do the teachings in Hinduism carry within them an imperative to interrogate caste?
2. How can the relationship between Rama and Sita be interpreted in a modern context ?
3. Do festivals , rituals centred exclusively around male in the society should be changed ?
4. Should Sabarimala allow women ?


Identity and perpetual protest and delve instead into its plurality of doctrines and stories. There is no reason why explorations in Hinduism should not be a serious input into modern debates on caste, sexuality and gender rights.

:Throw Modis and Parivaars away from using Hinduism as a political weapon and let the Hinduism be examined according to modern context and then think about a Hindu state !

[nani8055]

Endhi ee essay Lu [img]http://lh5.ggpht.com/-dyRHIRi7jxg/URXHv97MRsI/AAAAAAAAJ1w/CeSlfBToPNs/s150/Brahmi-8.gif[/img]

Btw bobby maayaa Ela unnav

[okk]

[quote name='nani8055' timestamp='1379552212' post='1304268162']
Endhi ee essay Lu [img]http://lh5.ggpht.com/-dyRHIRi7jxg/URXHv97MRsI/AAAAAAAAJ1w/CeSlfBToPNs/s150/Brahmi-8.gif[/img]

Btw bobby maayaa Ela unnav
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please dont spam in this thread.. keep it clean

[narsayya]

[quote name='BobbyFischer' timestamp='1379552021' post='1304268152']
Being a Swayam sevak ,there is no wonder you are trying to hail Hindu Assertion.

But in contrary to you opinion , I must say it's the time to liberate hinduism from politics...there is a need to evolve a character of modern HIndu for whom pride in his tradition should co exist with needs of modern multi-faith democractic society...unfortunately Sangh Parviar is lacking this ! It is pulling India back to pre indepence era...

Narasayya few questions regarding Hinduism

1. Do the teachings in Hinduism carry within them an imperative to interrogate caste?
2. How can the relationship between Rama and Sita be interpreted in a modern context ?
3. Do festivals , rituals centred exclusively around male in the society should be changed ?
4. Should Sabarimala allow women ?


Identity and perpetual protest and delve instead into its plurality of doctrines and stories. There is no reason why explorations in Hinduism should not be a serious input into modern debates on caste, sexuality and gender rights.

:Throw Modis and Parivaars away from using Hinduism as a political weapon and let the Hinduism be examined according to modern context and then think about a Hindu state !
[/quote]

First of all, Hinduism is not locked in politics. If it was, Congress will not get away for so long with its minority pandering tactics. Its only when the going gets bad does this Hindu identity surfaces, even then only a little. This political Hindu is also clearly a collection of castes at the top and middle. We need more diversity in a political Hindu.

The only thing Sangh Parivar lacks is intelligent people in their ranks They keep kicking out intelligence and attract only committed hard workers. They have enough multi faith democracy within their ranks and are accepting of muslims, Xians too, but only on their own terms. Its what every group would do. Why should Sangh play noble and give up the advantage of majority in India. Will Xians, Muslims even reciprocate or laugh at its weakness if it did?

Isn't Hinduism already examined according to modern context. Lets see the various interpretations of Ramayana, people throwing abuse at Krishna, and MF Hussian's paintings.

If you listen to Hussain especially, he openly agrees that if the reason he drew pictures of Hindu gods were because drawing Mohammad is disallowed in Islam. Simple. Hinduism liberated him, until some political parties made it impossible for him to continue in India.

All Hindus need is leaders, intellectuals who can reinvent our culture and make them feel proud. Many of them reimagining Hinduism currently, simply find new ways to insult our gods, culture, etc. Full of negativity. How long do you think Hindus should bear all this abuse and filth from communists, atheists? No wonder, Hussian was hounded. Because Hindus had by then lost their self respect and pride in their culture and saw Hussain as insulting their gods, when in fact most of his paintings show how much he admired Hinduism.

What kind of modern debate you want to have on caste? who sets the agenda? Communists, liberals will force their way and claim that everyone is equal.. blah blah.. The only discussion that's worth having is how to share power with all castes and other groups and let each of them chart their own course for success. Not all groups are equal, and given equal power will do totally different things with it.

Sabarimala allowing women is for their board to take a decision. We can't form a committee and force them to do it. we don't have a ayotollah or the pope to order us to do something like that. Has there even been a demand from women to be allowed into Sabarimala? Lets have that first, I'm sure Sabarimala will react one way or the other to it, if the demand is sustained.

You see, change is hard. Has to be worked for, not flow from govt's order or some prophets' orders.

After decades of pouring insults and picking on all silly things in Hinduism, a Modi will raise to provide solace to the people you guys have been insulting. No point crying now. Liberals should have thought of the consequences of their actions much earlier.

I agree that Hindutva as defined by RSS/BJP is very confusing. It should simply be defined as politics for Hindus and its attempt should be to forge a unique blend of caste groups that share power. Right now, Hindutva remains Hindu version of communism. And since liberals, muslims, xians are on other side of the divide, they hate it naturally. Its not even remotely dangerous, as many suggests. Atleast not any more dangerous than any other political ideology in the market these days.

[narsayya]

[quote name='BobbyFischer' timestamp='1379552021' post='1304268152']

Identity and perpetual protest and delve instead into its plurality of doctrines and stories. There is no reason why explorations in Hinduism should not be a serious input into modern debates on caste, sexuality and gender rights.

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I don't know how important are these gender rights, sexuality and debates on caste. debates on them, center around some kind of utopia that can never be realistically reached.

Although the idea of improving one's group internally sounds good, a group also has to confront external attacks too. So keeping a little bit of anti muslim, Xian sentiment is not that impractical for any caste group that feels threatened for its own survival.

Its not a pretty world. And asking Hindus to act pretty is futile.

[Tdp2014]

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[narsayya]

Also bobby, why should Hindus listen to those who hate them?

[BobbyFischer]

[quote name='narsayya' timestamp='1379558482' post='1304268473']

I don't know how important are these gender rights, sexuality and debates on caste. debates on them, center around some kind of utopia that can never be realistically reached.

Although the idea of improving one's group internally sounds good, a group also has to confront external attacks too. So keeping a little bit of anti muslim, Xian sentiment is not that impractical for any caste group that feels threatened for its own survival.

Its not a pretty world. And asking Hindus to act pretty is futile.
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Endless disco Narasayya...I can not accept either every body is a sinner by birth or your way of explaining practical things...abolish the inequalities by hook or by crook...there is no utopia...we have to form it...I do agree in Communism we do not have any cultural flavor, people will become machines..but atleast for a country like India , a communist dictator would do some thing, Indian people are no different from others , but they do not own a work culture unlike ...going your way of hindu assertion will pave a conducive path for more destruction...Atleast a generation in India should work as robots with out any religious/social bondings to move the country to the next level !