More Satyams in a new Telengana?

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Carving small states (Jharkand, Chattisgarh and Uttrakhand) out of larger ones (Bihar, Madhya Pradesh, UttarPradesh) has so far proved an economic success. Not only have the new states grown faster economically, even Bihar and Uttar Pradesh have experienced much faster growth after the separation (though not Madhya Pradesh). This appears to strengthen the case for creating more small states such as Telengana.

Yet a short visit I made to Andhra Pradesh showed dramatically that a separate Telengana could result in problems that other newly-created states have not experienced. The biggest is a problem of land ownership, and this could conceivably create new Satyams.

In Hyderabad, some (though by no means all) businessmen talk with trepidation. The fears are highest among the Andhras, folk from the coastal districts, who fear they will be adversely affected and maybe even forced to flee by the local folk or mulkis.

One such businessman told me, “My driver, a local mulki, said to me, quite gently, that when I left Hyderabad after the separation of Telengana, could I please gift my car to him?” Another businessman trumped this with a better story. “My domestic servants”, he said, “requested me to hand over my house to them as and when I leave!”

Is it really possible that a new Telengana will spark the mass exit of outsiders? No, says economist CH Hanumantha Rao. There is some fear among coastal Andhras, but not among people from other parts of India. Obviously mulkis will get a much larger share of government jobs, but not of business. The real fear of businessmen is not of physically being expelled. Rather, it is about land, in which businessmen have sunk enormous sums, and which they might now lose.

Businessmen have a second, and more credible fear. They say that the Maoists who were tamed by YS Rajashekhara Reddy will make a comeback in the new Telengana, since a small state will not have the resources to tackle the Maoist menace. That could affect business prospects and land values.

The big difference between a separate Telengana and other newly created states like Jharkand, Chattisgarh and Uttrakhand relates to the state capital. In the three earlier cases, the state capital remained with the original state. But Hyderabad, the capital of Andhra Pradesh, will go to Telengana. This horrifies coastal Andhras who claim to have created 90% of Hyderabad’s wealth.

A compromise could be to make Hyderabad and the surrounding Rangareddy district a Union territory housing the capitals of both Telengana and residual Andhra Pradesh. This solution worked when Haryana was carved out of Punjab. However, politicians leading the Telengana movement are dying to lay their hands on the lucrative land of Hyderabad, and will never give up this golden goose from which they hope to get a thousand golden eggs.

Vast amounts of land around Hyderabad have been grabbed in questionable ways. In a new Telengana, many existing landowners—including major industrialists—may lose enormous tracts of land worth thousands of crores. Illegal land grabbing has till now been very lucrative, but may become the kiss of death after Telengana’s creation.

[color=red][font=Verdana][b]All Indians love land, but in Andhra Pradesh it is a veritable passion[/b][/font][/color]. Coastal Andhras have engaged in an orgy of land speculation in the last decade. This passion for land ultimately caused the fall of Ramalinga Raju of Satyam: he lost his company because of his forays into real estate, through Maytas and other channels.

Like many other Andhra businessmen, Raju borrowed enormous sums for buying land, and prospered as land prices went through the roof. But then prices collapsed with the onset of the global recession, catching many speculators—including Raju-- with their pants down. As India emerged out of the recession, land prices started recovering everywhere. But with the announcement of a separate Telengana, real estate prices have fallen once again in Hyderabad and surrounding areas.

This has hit the state government’s finances. It had hoped to raise Rs 12,000 crore through land sales, a figure that is now looks impossible. Far worse hit are thousands of land speculators, including a host of top businessmen. Nobody knows for sure who controls how much land in Hyderabad and Rangareddy districts, since much of the land is occupied illegally or through dubious means. But the risk is clear: land debacles could create new Satyams.

The risk should not be exaggerated. Most businessmen who survived the Great Recession should be able to survive the separation of Telengana too. But some may collapse. Many politician-speculators will suffer too, and so are among the strongest opponents of division. However, division is inevitable: it is only a matter of time.

Many mulkis resent what they see as the obscene prosperity of outsiders, especially coastal Andhras, who dominate not only land and business but also professional jobs and government employment. In many states migration has ocurred from poorer to richer areas, but in Andhra Pradesh farmers moved from the prosperous coastal areas into Telengana, a region that used to be part of princely Hyderabad under the old Nizam, and was terrible backward in education, agriculture, roads and everything else.

The Andhras brought in improved agricultural practices, skills and capital. They helped develop Hyderabad and the rest of Telengana, which is no longer backward compared to the state as a whole. Public sector investment, especially in defence industries, brought in many new skills and services. And more recently the information technology companies came roaring in, many run by coastal Andhras.

But although the newcomers greatly improved and enrichened Telengana, they also aroused resentment and accusations of quasi-colonialism. Being better educated, they dominated government jobs. Osmania Unversity’s students are at the fore of the Telengana agitation because they hope to dominate government jobs in the new state.

However, there is no reason to think that more land and jobs for mulkis will mean the expulsion of coastal businessmen. The real risk lies elsewhere: in the continuing fall of land prices, leading possibly to new Satyams.

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In Hyderabad, some (though by no means all) businessmen talk with trepidation. The fears are highest among the Andhras, folk from the coastal districts, who fear they will be adversely affected and[i][b] maybe even forced to flee by the local folk or mulkis.[/b][/i]

[color=red][i][b] This isn't possible in reality.......its foolish[/b][/i] [/color]

One such businessman told me, [b][i]“My driver, a local mulki, said to me, quite gently, that when I left Hyderabad after the separation of Telengana, could I please gift my car to him?”[/i][/b] Another businessman trumped this with a better story. [i][b]“My domestic servants”, he said, “requested me to hand over my house to them as and when I leave!”[/b][/i]

[color=red][i][b] siggu ga undhi itlanti statements chustunte.......dheni batti ee article rashinodu.......whoever it may be entha foolish person oo ardham aitundhi........i don't know how many of you here feel this statements are genuine.......but, all I can do is just laugh off at them.... [/b][/i] [/color]


The real fear of businessmen is not of physically being expelled. Rather, [i][b]it is about land, in which businessmen have sunk enormous sums, and which they might now lose.[/b][/i]

[color=red][i][b] legal ga konna land aithe, who on the hell will grab it. Motham article antha blunders. Nijanga evadu aina power inka influence use chesi grab cheyal ante.....adhi united state la kuda cheyouchu.........Telengana is no reason for it..... [/b][/i] [/color]

[i][b]since a small state will not have the resources to tackle the Maoist menace. That could affect business prospects and land values.[/b][/i]

[color=red][i][b] resources endhuk undav, central govt help chestadhi. union home ministry is taking the moist issue more seriously than the indo-pak issue. [/b][/i] [/color]

[i][b]The big difference between a separate Telengana and other newly created states like Jharkand, Chattisgarh and Uttrakhand relates to the state capital. In the three earlier cases, the state capital remained with the original state. But Hyderabad, the capital of Andhra Pradesh, will go to Telengana.[/b][/i]
[color=red][i][b] dhentla vedu kottaga chepindhi em undhi, idhi andharki telsina vishyame. Asalu Jharkand, Chattisgarh and Uttrakhand ni separate chesinandhuku, Telangana ni separate cheyamantunru ani veeniki evaru chepinru. Telangana has its own issues, problems and reasons.  [/b][/i] [/color]

This horrifies [i][b]coastal Andhras who claim to have created 90% of Hyderabad’s wealth.[/b][/i]
[color=red][i][b] Claim dhi em undhi evad aina chestadu…….states kalipe mundhu Hyderabad state entha welthy no andharki telusu…..veniki ee vishyam kuda telvanattu undhi………vedu ouchi mana medha article rasthundu…..manam dhani nammalaa!! [/b][/i] [/color]

[i][b]A compromise could be to make Hyderabad and the surrounding Rangareddy district a Union territory housing the capitals of both Telengana and residual Andhra Pradesh. This solution worked when Haryana was carved out of Punjab.[/b][/i]
[color=red][i][b] Ante……will people from costal Andhra travel 200-400km out of their state to reach their capital?
Anyway, Hyd is not going to be in andhra state kadha. So, whats the difference if its in a different Union Territory or a different state Telangana.
Chandisgarh is geographically located between Punjab and Haryana. So, it was possible there. But its different situation here. Geographically Hyd is located away from costal Andhra. And how will people understand. Our situation is different from others. Hyd State and Andhra state were different separate states which existed in the past. This is not the case with other states.  [/b][/i] [/color]
[i][b]All Indians love land, but in Andhra Pradesh it is a veritable passion.[/b][/i]
[color=red][i][b] Edh aina cenima dilouge writer ni patkunte, inka koncham attractive, sentimental, emotional, inka punch thoni rayosthunde statement………[/b][/i] [/color]
[i][b]This has hit the state government’s finances. It had hoped to raise Rs 12,000 crore through land sales, a figure that is now looks impossible.[/i][/b]
[color=red][i][b] Asal separate state demand ki idhi kuda oka main reason kadha……..they are selling the lands in telengana region and investing somewhere else ani……ante vedu dhenini samardhinthunda?? [/b][/i] [/color]



[i][b]In many states migration has ocurred from poorer to richer areas, but in Andhra Pradesh farmers moved from the prosperous coastal areas into Telengana, a region that used to be part of princely Hyderabad under the old Nizam, and was terrible backward in education, agriculture, roads and everything else.[/b][/i]
[color=red][i][b] Education, agriculture la andhras forward ante oppukunta……..kani roads and everything else ante……namaneki evadu ready ledhu……youtube la documentrys chuste ardham aitadhi……HYD chala developed unde infrastructure vishyam la…….this is the main reason why the andhras wanted to merge with HYD state……..just for the fully sophisticated Hyderabad city. And costal andhras did not move to Telangana……..They moved just to Hyderabad. Dhenini batti ardham aitundhi veniki entha knowledge undho issue pina……[/b][/i] [/color]

[i][b]The Andhras brought in improved agricultural practices, skills and capital. They helped develop Hyderabad and the rest of Telengana, which is no longer backward compared to the state as a whole. Public sector investment, especially in defence industries, brought in many new skills and services. And more recently the information technology companies came roaring in, many run by coastal Andhras.[/b][/i]
[color=red][i][b] They helped developing rest of Telangana na……..ekkada…..Adilabad naa Vikarabad naa…..
Ekkad ouchenae defence industries, inka IT industries…..HYD la ne kadha……but the agitation is mainly for the development of rest of telangana not HYD. Telangana doesn’t mean just Hyderabad. Ee vishyam eppudu ardham aitadhi janalaki[/b][/i] [/color]

[i][b]But although the newcomers greatly improved and enrichened Telengana, they also aroused resentment and accusations of quasi-colonialism. [/b][/i]
[color=red][i][b] Enriched Telangana na……..just Hyderabad aa……ee vishyam la kuda clarity ledhu ee manishi ki[/b][/i] [/color]

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[quote author=Company link=topic=50190.msg473414#msg473414 date=1268837152]
In Hyderabad, some (though by no means all) businessmen talk with trepidation. The fears are highest among the Andhras, folk from the coastal districts, who fear they will be adversely affected and[i][b] maybe even forced to flee by the local folk or mulkis.[/b][/i]

[color=red][i][b] This isn't possible in reality.......its foolish[/b][/i] [/color]

One such businessman told me, [b][i]“My driver, a local mulki, said to me, quite gently, that when I left Hyderabad after the separation of Telengana, could I please gift my car to him?”[/i][/b] Another businessman trumped this with a better story. [i][b]“My domestic servants”, he said, “requested me to hand over my house to them as and when I leave!”[/b][/i]

[color=red][i][b] siggu ga undhi itlanti statements chustunte.......dheni batti ee article rashinodu.......whoever it may be entha foolish person oo ardham aitundhi........i don't know how many of you here feel this statements are genuine.......but, all I can do is just laugh off at them.... [/b][/i] [/color]


The real fear of businessmen is not of physically being expelled. Rather, [i][b]it is about land, in which businessmen have sunk enormous sums, and which they might now lose.[/b][/i]

[color=red][i][b] legal ga konna land aithe, who on the hell will grab it. Motham article antha blunders. Nijanga evadu aina power inka influence use chesi grab cheyal ante.....adhi united state la kuda cheyouchu.........Telengana is no reason for it..... [/b][/i] [/color]

[i][b]since a small state will not have the resources to tackle the Maoist menace. That could affect business prospects and land values.[/b][/i]

[color=red][i][b] resources endhuk undav, central govt help chestadhi. union home ministry is taking the moist issue more seriously than the indo-pak issue. [/b][/i] [/color]

[i][b]The big difference between a separate Telengana and other newly created states like Jharkand, Chattisgarh and Uttrakhand relates to the state capital. In the three earlier cases, the state capital remained with the original state. But Hyderabad, the capital of Andhra Pradesh, will go to Telengana.[/b][/i]
[color=red][i][b] dhentla vedu kottaga chepindhi em undhi, idhi andharki telsina vishyame. Asalu Jharkand, Chattisgarh and Uttrakhand ni separate chesinandhuku, Telangana ni separate cheyamantunru ani veeniki evaru chepinru. Telangana has its own issues, problems and reasons.  [/b][/i] [/color]

This horrifies [i][b]coastal Andhras who claim to have created 90% of Hyderabad’s wealth.[/b][/i]
[color=red][i][b] Claim dhi em undhi evad aina chestadu…….states kalipe mundhu Hyderabad state entha welthy no andharki telusu…..veniki ee vishyam kuda telvanattu undhi………vedu ouchi mana medha article rasthundu…..manam dhani nammalaa!! [/b][/i] [/color]

[i][b]A compromise could be to make Hyderabad and the surrounding Rangareddy district a Union territory housing the capitals of both Telengana and residual Andhra Pradesh. This solution worked when Haryana was carved out of Punjab.[/b][/i]
[color=red][i][b] Ante……will people from costal Andhra travel 200-400km out of their state to reach their capital?
Anyway, Hyd is not going to be in andhra state kadha. So, whats the difference if its in a different Union Territory or a different state Telangana.
Chandisgarh is geographically located between Punjab and Haryana. So, it was possible there. But its different situation here. Geographically Hyd is located away from costal Andhra. And how will people understand. Our situation is different from others. Hyd State and Andhra state were different separate states which existed in the past. This is not the case with other states.  [/b][/i] [/color]
[i][b]All Indians love land, but in Andhra Pradesh it is a veritable passion.[/b][/i]
[color=red][i][b] Edh aina cenima dilouge writer ni patkunte, inka koncham attractive, sentimental, emotional, inka punch thoni rayosthunde statement………[/b][/i] [/color]
[i][b]This has hit the state government’s finances. It had hoped to raise Rs 12,000 crore through land sales, a figure that is now looks impossible.[/i][/b]
[color=red][i][b] Asal separate state demand ki idhi kuda oka main reason kadha……..they are selling the lands in telengana region and investing somewhere else ani……ante vedu dhenini samardhinthunda?? [/b][/i] [/color]



[i][b]In many states migration has ocurred from poorer to richer areas, but in Andhra Pradesh farmers moved from the prosperous coastal areas into Telengana, a region that used to be part of princely Hyderabad under the old Nizam, and was terrible backward in education, agriculture, roads and everything else.[/b][/i]
[color=red][i][b] Education, agriculture la andhras forward ante oppukunta……..kani roads and everything else ante……namaneki evadu ready ledhu……youtube la documentrys chuste ardham aitadhi……HYD chala developed unde infrastructure vishyam la…….this is the main reason why the andhras wanted to merge with HYD state……..just for the fully sophisticated Hyderabad city. And costal andhras did not move to Telangana……..They moved just to Hyderabad. Dhenini batti ardham aitundhi veniki entha knowledge undho issue pina……[/b][/i] [/color]

[i][b]The Andhras brought in improved agricultural practices, skills and capital. They helped develop Hyderabad and the rest of Telengana, which is no longer backward compared to the state as a whole. Public sector investment, especially in defence industries, brought in many new skills and services. And more recently the information technology companies came roaring in, many run by coastal Andhras.[/b][/i]
[color=red][i][b] They helped developing rest of Telangana na……..ekkada…..Adilabad naa Vikarabad naa…..
Ekkad ouchenae defence industries, inka IT industries…..HYD la ne kadha……but the agitation is mainly for the development of rest of telangana not HYD. Telangana doesn’t mean just Hyderabad. Ee vishyam eppudu ardham aitadhi janalaki[/b][/i] [/color]

[i][b]But although the newcomers greatly improved and enrichened Telengana, they also aroused resentment and accusations of quasi-colonialism. [/b][/i]
[color=red][i][b] Enriched Telangana na……..just Hyderabad aa……ee vishyam la kuda clarity ledhu ee manishi ki[/b][/i] [/color]

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[quote author=Company link=topic=50190.msg473414#msg473414 date=1268837152]
In Hyderabad, some (though by no means all) businessmen talk with trepidation. The fears are highest among the Andhras, folk from the coastal districts, who fear they will be adversely affected and[i][b] maybe even forced to flee by the local folk or mulkis.[/b][/i]

[color=red][i][b] This isn't possible in reality.......its foolish[/b][/i] [/color]

One such businessman told me, [b][i]“My driver, a local mulki, said to me, quite gently, that when I left Hyderabad after the separation of Telengana, could I please gift my car to him?”[/i][/b] Another businessman trumped this with a better story. [i][b]“My domestic servants”, he said, “requested me to hand over my house to them as and when I leave!”[/b][/i]

[color=red][i][b] siggu ga undhi itlanti statements chustunte.......dheni batti ee article rashinodu.......whoever it may be entha foolish person oo ardham aitundhi........i don't know how many of you here feel this statements are genuine.......but, all I can do is just laugh off at them.... [/b][/i] [/color]


The real fear of businessmen is not of physically being expelled. Rather, [i][b]it is about land, in which businessmen have sunk enormous sums, and which they might now lose.[/b][/i]

[color=red][i][b] legal ga konna land aithe, who on the hell will grab it. Motham article antha blunders. Nijanga evadu aina power inka influence use chesi grab cheyal ante.....adhi united state la kuda cheyouchu.........Telengana is no reason for it..... [/b][/i] [/color]

[i][b]since a small state will not have the resources to tackle the Maoist menace. That could affect business prospects and land values.[/b][/i]

[color=red][i][b] resources endhuk undav, central govt help chestadhi. union home ministry is taking the moist issue more seriously than the indo-pak issue. [/b][/i] [/color]

[i][b]The big difference between a separate Telengana and other newly created states like Jharkand, Chattisgarh and Uttrakhand relates to the state capital. In the three earlier cases, the state capital remained with the original state. But Hyderabad, the capital of Andhra Pradesh, will go to Telengana.[/b][/i]
[color=red][i][b] dhentla vedu kottaga chepindhi em undhi, idhi andharki telsina vishyame. Asalu Jharkand, Chattisgarh and Uttrakhand ni separate chesinandhuku, Telangana ni separate cheyamantunru ani veeniki evaru chepinru. Telangana has its own issues, problems and reasons.  [/b][/i] [/color]

This horrifies [i][b]coastal Andhras who claim to have created 90% of Hyderabad’s wealth.[/b][/i]
[color=red][i][b] Claim dhi em undhi evad aina chestadu…….states kalipe mundhu Hyderabad state entha welthy no andharki telusu…..veniki ee vishyam kuda telvanattu undhi………vedu ouchi mana medha article rasthundu…..manam dhani nammalaa!! [/b][/i] [/color]

[i][b]A compromise could be to make Hyderabad and the surrounding Rangareddy district a Union territory housing the capitals of both Telengana and residual Andhra Pradesh. This solution worked when Haryana was carved out of Punjab.[/b][/i]
[color=red][i][b] Ante……will people from costal Andhra travel 200-400km out of their state to reach their capital?
Anyway, Hyd is not going to be in andhra state kadha. So, whats the difference if its in a different Union Territory or a different state Telangana.
Chandisgarh is geographically located between Punjab and Haryana. So, it was possible there. But its different situation here. Geographically Hyd is located away from costal Andhra. And how will people understand. Our situation is different from others. Hyd State and Andhra state were different separate states which existed in the past. This is not the case with other states.  [/b][/i] [/color]
[i][b]All Indians love land, but in Andhra Pradesh it is a veritable passion.[/b][/i]
[color=red][i][b] Edh aina cenima dilouge writer ni patkunte, inka koncham attractive, sentimental, emotional, inka punch thoni rayosthunde statement………[/b][/i] [/color]
[i][b]This has hit the state government’s finances. It had hoped to raise Rs 12,000 crore through land sales, a figure that is now looks impossible.[/i][/b]
[color=red][i][b] Asal separate state demand ki idhi kuda oka main reason kadha……..they are selling the lands in telengana region and investing somewhere else ani……ante vedu dhenini samardhinthunda?? [/b][/i] [/color]



[i][b]In many states migration has ocurred from poorer to richer areas, but in Andhra Pradesh farmers moved from the prosperous coastal areas into Telengana, a region that used to be part of princely Hyderabad under the old Nizam, and was terrible backward in education, agriculture, roads and everything else.[/b][/i]
[color=red][i][b] Education, agriculture la andhras forward ante oppukunta……..kani roads and everything else ante……namaneki evadu ready ledhu……youtube la documentrys chuste ardham aitadhi……HYD chala developed unde infrastructure vishyam la…….this is the main reason why the andhras wanted to merge with HYD state……..just for the fully sophisticated Hyderabad city. And costal andhras did not move to Telangana……..They moved just to Hyderabad. Dhenini batti ardham aitundhi veniki entha knowledge undho issue pina……[/b][/i] [/color]

[i][b]The Andhras brought in improved agricultural practices, skills and capital. They helped develop Hyderabad and the rest of Telengana, which is no longer backward compared to the state as a whole. Public sector investment, especially in defence industries, brought in many new skills and services. And more recently the information technology companies came roaring in, many run by coastal Andhras.[/b][/i]
[color=red][i][b] They helped developing rest of Telangana na……..ekkada…..Adilabad naa Vikarabad naa…..
Ekkad ouchenae defence industries, inka IT industries…..HYD la ne kadha……but the agitation is mainly for the development of rest of telangana not HYD. Telangana doesn’t mean just Hyderabad. Ee vishyam eppudu ardham aitadhi janalaki[/b][/i] [/color]

[i][b]But although the newcomers greatly improved and enrichened Telengana, they also aroused resentment and accusations of quasi-colonialism. [/b][/i]
[color=red][i][b] Enriched Telangana na……..just Hyderabad aa……ee vishyam la kuda clarity ledhu ee manishi ki[/b][/i] [/color]

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[quote author=Company link=topic=50190.msg473414#msg473414 date=1268837152]
In Hyderabad, some (though by no means all) businessmen talk with trepidation. The fears are highest among the Andhras, folk from the coastal districts, who fear they will be adversely affected and[i][b] maybe even forced to flee by the local folk or mulkis.[/b][/i]

[color=red][i][b] This isn't possible in reality.......its foolish[/b][/i] [/color]

One such businessman told me, [b][i]“My driver, a local mulki, said to me, quite gently, that when I left Hyderabad after the separation of Telengana, could I please gift my car to him?”[/i][/b] Another businessman trumped this with a better story. [i][b]“My domestic servants”, he said, “requested me to hand over my house to them as and when I leave!”[/b][/i]

[color=red][i][b] siggu ga undhi itlanti statements chustunte.......dheni batti ee article rashinodu.......whoever it may be entha foolish person oo ardham aitundhi........i don't know how many of you here feel this statements are genuine.......but, all I can do is just laugh off at them.... [/b][/i] [/color]


The real fear of businessmen is not of physically being expelled. Rather, [i][b]it is about land, in which businessmen have sunk enormous sums, and which they might now lose.[/b][/i]

[color=red][i][b] legal ga konna land aithe, who on the hell will grab it. Motham article antha blunders. Nijanga evadu aina power inka influence use chesi grab cheyal ante.....adhi united state la kuda cheyouchu.........Telengana is no reason for it..... [/b][/i] [/color]

[i][b]since a small state will not have the resources to tackle the Maoist menace. That could affect business prospects and land values.[/b][/i]

[color=red][i][b] resources endhuk undav, central govt help chestadhi. union home ministry is taking the moist issue more seriously than the indo-pak issue. [/b][/i] [/color]

[i][b]The big difference between a separate Telengana and other newly created states like Jharkand, Chattisgarh and Uttrakhand relates to the state capital. In the three earlier cases, the state capital remained with the original state. But Hyderabad, the capital of Andhra Pradesh, will go to Telengana.[/b][/i]
[color=red][i][b] dhentla vedu kottaga chepindhi em undhi, idhi andharki telsina vishyame. Asalu Jharkand, Chattisgarh and Uttrakhand ni separate chesinandhuku, Telangana ni separate cheyamantunru ani veeniki evaru chepinru. Telangana has its own issues, problems and reasons.  [/b][/i] [/color]

This horrifies [i][b]coastal Andhras who claim to have created 90% of Hyderabad’s wealth.[/b][/i]
[color=red][i][b] Claim dhi em undhi evad aina chestadu…….states kalipe mundhu Hyderabad state entha welthy no andharki telusu…..veniki ee vishyam kuda telvanattu undhi………vedu ouchi mana medha article rasthundu…..manam dhani nammalaa!! [/b][/i] [/color]

[i][b]A compromise could be to make Hyderabad and the surrounding Rangareddy district a Union territory housing the capitals of both Telengana and residual Andhra Pradesh. This solution worked when Haryana was carved out of Punjab.[/b][/i]
[color=red][i][b] Ante……will people from costal Andhra travel 200-400km out of their state to reach their capital?
Anyway, Hyd is not going to be in andhra state kadha. So, whats the difference if its in a different Union Territory or a different state Telangana.
Chandisgarh is geographically located between Punjab and Haryana. So, it was possible there. But its different situation here. Geographically Hyd is located away from costal Andhra. And how will people understand. Our situation is different from others. Hyd State and Andhra state were different separate states which existed in the past. This is not the case with other states.  [/b][/i] [/color]
[i][b]All Indians love land, but in Andhra Pradesh it is a veritable passion.[/b][/i]
[color=red][i][b] Edh aina cenima dilouge writer ni patkunte, inka koncham attractive, sentimental, emotional, inka punch thoni rayosthunde statement………[/b][/i] [/color]
[i][b]This has hit the state government’s finances. It had hoped to raise Rs 12,000 crore through land sales, a figure that is now looks impossible.[/i][/b]
[color=red][i][b] Asal separate state demand ki idhi kuda oka main reason kadha……..they are selling the lands in telengana region and investing somewhere else ani……ante vedu dhenini samardhinthunda?? [/b][/i] [/color]



[i][b]In many states migration has ocurred from poorer to richer areas, but in Andhra Pradesh farmers moved from the prosperous coastal areas into Telengana, a region that used to be part of princely Hyderabad under the old Nizam, and was terrible backward in education, agriculture, roads and everything else.[/b][/i]
[color=red][i][b] Education, agriculture la andhras forward ante oppukunta……..kani roads and everything else ante……namaneki evadu ready ledhu……youtube la documentrys chuste ardham aitadhi……HYD chala developed unde infrastructure vishyam la…….this is the main reason why the andhras wanted to merge with HYD state……..just for the fully sophisticated Hyderabad city. And costal andhras did not move to Telangana……..They moved just to Hyderabad. Dhenini batti ardham aitundhi veniki entha knowledge undho issue pina……[/b][/i] [/color]

[i][b]The Andhras brought in improved agricultural practices, skills and capital. They helped develop Hyderabad and the rest of Telengana, which is no longer backward compared to the state as a whole. Public sector investment, especially in defence industries, brought in many new skills and services. And more recently the information technology companies came roaring in, many run by coastal Andhras.[/b][/i]
[color=red][i][b] They helped developing rest of Telangana na……..ekkada…..Adilabad naa Vikarabad naa…..
Ekkad ouchenae defence industries, inka IT industries…..HYD la ne kadha……but the agitation is mainly for the development of rest of telangana not HYD. Telangana doesn’t mean just Hyderabad. Ee vishyam eppudu ardham aitadhi janalaki[/b][/i] [/color]

[i][b]But although the newcomers greatly improved and enrichened Telengana, they also aroused resentment and accusations of quasi-colonialism. [/b][/i]
[color=red][i][b] Enriched Telangana na……..just Hyderabad aa……ee vishyam la kuda clarity ledhu ee manishi ki[/b][/i] [/color]

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I really liked your way of explanation, was really good,clear,no abuses and straight to the point.
Coming to author , he is swaminathan aiyer a renowned economist. He would travel around the places to know the economics of that place .. There are some points which you have highlighted are from "some (though by no means all) businessmen" . He has just put forth their points .. as he is from tamilnadu he doesnt support one region or the other..  veedu raasaadu ante it means there are sect of people who fear that .... they are also people of AP and they do have concerns kada...

you made a valid point .. vaadu kuda ade rasadu he is talking about illegal lands mostly .. legal lands will never in several acres .. antha land undi ante it should be illegal by some means ...

About maoist, i dont think so that union ministry would support a state in any means .. it would chalk out a plan and would help till an extent financially .. but the responsibility lies in the state Govt .. i think eventually if telanagana is formed , they would take time to come up to that level.

Jharkand, Chattisgarh and Uttrakhand vaatini chesaaru kabatti deeni cheyamani evaru cheppaledu .. once you come out of AP , then you will look this perspective from a national view... ante .. 3 states seperate chesaaru kabatti what are the pros and corns and how it would effect this one ani .. as i have told earlier he is not from AP.


"Telangana doesn’t mean just Hyderabad" .. good point every body is saying the same thing .. mari aa areas development gurinchi fight cheyakunda why T leaders are stuck with hyd .. what would happen if it becomes a capital (UT) of both states .. (geographically its another issue) .. there will be a well developed centralised capital city with all the infrastructure required. There will be a smoother transition ..


There are few points which are one sided but most of them does make sense . As i have told earlier in another post every body has got their view and we stick to it and we dont intend to compromise and thats where the problem lies .. every body feels they are 100% from their perspective .. we need to look at the global perspective when we analyze some thign ...

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[quote author=geek link=topic=50190.msg473443#msg473443 date=1268838576]
I really liked your way of explanation, was really good,clear,no abuses and straight to the point.
Coming to author , he is swaminathan aiyer a renowned economist. He would travel around the places to know the economics of that place .. There are some points which you have highlighted are from "some (though by no means all) businessmen" . He has just put forth their points .. as he is from tamilnadu he doesnt support one region or the other..  veedu raasaadu ante it means there are sect of people who fear that .... they are also people of AP and they do have concerns kada...

you made a valid point .. vaadu kuda ade rasadu he is talking about illegal lands mostly .. legal lands will never in several acres .. antha land undi ante it should be illegal by some means ...

About maoist, i dont think so that union ministry would support a state in any means .. it would chalk out a plan and would help till an extent financially .. but the responsibility lies in the state Govt .. i think eventually if telanagana is formed , they would take time to come up to that level.

Jharkand, Chattisgarh and Uttrakhand vaatini chesaaru kabatti deeni cheyamani evaru cheppaledu .. once you come out of AP , then you will look this perspective from a national view... ante .. 3 states seperate chesaaru kabatti what are the pros and corns and how it would effect this one ani .. as i have told earlier he is not from AP.


"Telangana doesn’t mean just Hyderabad" .. good point every body is saying the same thing .. mari aa areas development gurinchi fight cheyakunda why T leaders are stuck with hyd .. what would happen if it becomes a capital (UT) of both states .. (geographically its another issue) .. there will be a well developed centralised capital city with all the infrastructure required. There will be a smoother transition ..


[color=red] common capital.can be worked out ........nobody should be on the losing side...but UT......is not possible,........coz...the city cant survive ........as br ambedkar said in ref to gujarat and maharashtra split [/color]

There are few points which are one sided but most of them does make sense . As i have told earlier in another post every body has got their view and we stick to it and we dont intend to compromise and thats where the problem lies .. every body feels they are 100% from their perspective .. we need to look at the global perspective when we analyze some thign ...



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I really liked your way of explanation, was really good,clear,no abuses and straight to the point............
Coming to author , he is swaminathan aiyer a renowned economist. He would travel around the places to know the economics of that place .........
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[quote author=geek link=topic=50190.msg473443#msg473443 date=1268838576]
I really liked your way of explanation, was really good,clear,no abuses and straight to the point.[/quote]

[b][i][color=red] Thanks mama…. [/color][/i][/b]

[quote author=geek link=topic=50190.msg473443#msg473443 date=1268838576]
Coming to author , he is swaminathan aiyer a renowned economist. He would travel around the places to know the economics of that place .. There are some points which you have highlighted are from "some (though by no means all) businessmen" . He has just put forth their points .. as he is from tamilnadu he doesnt support one region or the other..  veedu raasaadu ante it means there are sect of people who fear that .... they are also people of AP and they do have concerns kada... [/quote]

[b][i][color=red] Whoever it may be mama…..evaro points athanu project chese mundhu, he should think about the credibility of the statements. State divide aithe car ni driver ki dhanam cheyalsoustadhi ani chepinodu na drusthi la pedha fool……..dhanini article ga rashi publish chesinodu inka pedha fool.
He being from tamilnadu, doesn’t mean he is unbiased…
concerns andharki untae….but if they are practicle concerns they will be considered….kani itla car ni  driver ki danam cheyalsostadhi…illu ni servent ki danam cheyalsoustadhi ante…..inka nen em anta, idhi nenu me vignyatha ke oudhlestha [/color][/i][/b]

[quote author=geek link=topic=50190.msg473443#msg473443 date=1268838576]
you made a valid point .. vaadu kuda ade rasadu he is talking about illegal lands mostly .. legal lands will never in several acres .. antha land undi ante it should be illegal by some means ...[/quote]

[b][i][color=red] dheni meaning naku clear ga ardham kale…..can you make it a bit clear. [/color][/i][/b]

[quote author=geek link=topic=50190.msg473443#msg473443 date=1268838576]
About maoist, i dont think so that union ministry would support a state in any means .. it would chalk out a plan and would help till an extent financially .. but the responsibility lies in the state Govt .. i think eventually if telanagana is formed , they would take time to come up to that level.[/quote]

[b][i][color=red] Endhuku support cheyaru…..wast Bengal la chudu ippud entha support chestunro…Chidambaram and Manmohan singh are very serious on this…….CRPF, millatry pampistaru…..if situation becomes that serious…..but I don’t think it will get to that point.
And why will they take time to come up to that level. I mean what level……do you mean AP Police, Grey Hounds e.t.c consists only people from Andhra and rayalseema [/color][/i][/b]


[quote author=geek link=topic=50190.msg473443#msg473443 date=1268838576]
"Telangana doesn’t mean just Hyderabad" .. good point every body is saying the same thing .. mari aa areas development gurinchi fight cheyakunda why T leaders are stuck with hyd .. what would happen if it becomes a capital (UT) of both states .. (geographically its another issue) .. there will be a well developed centralised capital city with all the infrastructure required. There will be a smoother transition .. [/quote]

[b][i][color=red] T-Leaders are not stuck with HYD, SA-Leaders are stuck with just HYD. Koncham alochinchu neku kuda telusu ee vishyam.
Inka geographically inko issue etla aitadhi…..ante neku anukulam ga unna points ani original issue….inka neku vethirekam ga unna points ani vare issue aa…..itla nadvadhu mama.
inkaaa... nuvu HYD UT ne ante. Ok aithe mari VIZAG inka Tirupathi ni kuda UT’s chesdam mundhu, tarvatha HYD joliki ousdham….3 developed centralized cities are better than 1 kadha. [/color][/i][/b]

[quote author=geek link=topic=50190.msg473443#msg473443 date=1268838576]
There are few points which are one sided but most of them does make sense . As i have told earlier in another post every body has got their view and we stick to it and we dont intend to compromise and thats where the problem lies .. every body feels they are 100% from their perspective .. we need to look at the global perspective when we analyze some thign ...[/quote]

[b][i][color=red] Nuve oppukuntunav kadha mama……few points are one sided ani……thats showing he is baised.
Na uddhesam la aa article motham blunders….motham one sided ee. Andhuke ani points ki oka oka dhaniki direct reply chesina…..neku nenu raise chesina points thapu anpisthe……raise them…we will discuss.
Every body has their own views naku telusu, we don’t intend to compromise idhi kuda naku telusu. Everybody feels they are 100% from their perspective..idhi kuda telusu. I don’t understand why u mentioned this thing here.
I think that I am looking at the global perspective when I am  analysing this thign ...
If you are feeling that you are not looking at the global perspective when you are  analysing this thing, try to do it the next time you analyse it. [/color][/i][/b]