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On 2/6/2025 at 1:10 AM, rational said:

They were buddists earlier later hinduism took over buddism. Simple rule during those days what ever religion the king followed or allowed, people are bound to follow. latest periods of Nepal rule was under Hindu kings, you would be surprised to know that they even implemented "manusmruti" there. So obviously hindu religion is dominated in Nepal. 

do you have any historical references kaka... 

[rational]

On 12/20/2025 at 8:11 PM, ChettaVedava said:

do you have any historical references kaka... 

Malla period King jayasthiti malla 14th century, i cant say there is direct inscription of "Manusmriti is implemented in this country", but if you read "manusmriti" book and then compare the "Manab Nyasashtra" original text is currently available in Nepal museum ( translations available online) you will find lot of similarities on punishments based on (Varna) caste system. And there are historical records of Indian Brahmins helping him to establish Judicial Code for his kingdom. 

Sample of the original manuscript

 

 

"Jayasthiti Malla was credited by some of the later chronicles—and by the present people of Bhaktapur—with the establishment of many of the laws and customs of Bhaktapur, particularly those involving caste regulations, with standardizing weights and measures, with establishing an order. Let us review some of the achievements traditionally ascribed to him. "Each caste [in Bhaktapur now] followed its own customs. To the low castes dwellings, dress and ornaments were assigned, according to certain rules. No sleeves were allowed to the coats of Kasais [butchers].[26] No caps, coats, shoes, nor gold ornaments were permitted to Podhyas [untouchables]. Kasais, Podhyas, and Kulus were not allowed to have houses roofed with tiles, and they were obliged to show proper respect to the people of castes higher than their own" ("Wright's chronicle," Wright 1972, 182f.). The chronicles credit Jayasthiti Malla with dividing the people into a large number of "castes" (sixty-four in some accounts, thirty-six in others). "The four highest castes [here varna[*] is meant; see chap. 5] were prohibited from drinking water from the hands of low caste people, such as Podhyas or Charmakaras. If a woman of a high caste had intercourse with a man of a lower caste, she was degraded to the caste of her seducer" (Wright 1972, 186f.). According to the Padmagiri chronicle, "He constituted a fine for all such persons as follow the profession of others, as if a blacksmith follow the profession of goldsmith, he shall be fined" (Hasrat 1970, 56).

https://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft6k4007rd&chunk.id=d0e825&toc.depth=100&toc.id=d0e550&brand=ucpress;query=india

 I mean there are extensive records regarding laws. If you are interested you need to do more research. 

[ChettaVedava]

8 hours ago, rational said:

Malla period King jayasthiti malla 14th century, i cant say there is direct inscription of "Manusmriti is implemented in this country", but if you read "manusmriti" book and then compare the "Manab Nyasashtra" original text is currently available in Nepal museum ( translations available online) you will find lot of similarities on punishments based on (Varna) caste system. And there are historical records of Indian Brahmins helping him to establish Judicial Code for his kingdom. 

Sample of the original manuscript

 

 

"Jayasthiti Malla was credited by some of the later chronicles—and by the present people of Bhaktapur—with the establishment of many of the laws and customs of Bhaktapur, particularly those involving caste regulations, with standardizing weights and measures, with establishing an order. Let us review some of the achievements traditionally ascribed to him. "Each caste [in Bhaktapur now] followed its own customs. To the low castes dwellings, dress and ornaments were assigned, according to certain rules. No sleeves were allowed to the coats of Kasais [butchers].[26] No caps, coats, shoes, nor gold ornaments were permitted to Podhyas [untouchables]. Kasais, Podhyas, and Kulus were not allowed to have houses roofed with tiles, and they were obliged to show proper respect to the people of castes higher than their own" ("Wright's chronicle," Wright 1972, 182f.). The chronicles credit Jayasthiti Malla with dividing the people into a large number of "castes" (sixty-four in some accounts, thirty-six in others). "The four highest castes [here varna[*] is meant; see chap. 5] were prohibited from drinking water from the hands of low caste people, such as Podhyas or Charmakaras. If a woman of a high caste had intercourse with a man of a lower caste, she was degraded to the caste of her seducer" (Wright 1972, 186f.). According to the Padmagiri chronicle, "He constituted a fine for all such persons as follow the profession of others, as if a blacksmith follow the profession of goldsmith, he shall be fined" (Hasrat 1970, 56).

https://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft6k4007rd&chunk.id=d0e825&toc.depth=100&toc.id=d0e550&brand=ucpress;query=india

 I mean there are extensive records regarding laws. If you are interested you need to do more research. 

motham reading raledu kani.. this just tells about the how King should be enforcing the law and the hierarchy how law should be upholded.. it do not reference the manusmriti.. manusmriti says "Punishment governs all subjects; punishment protects them, punishment remains awake when people sleep, the wise know punishment to be dharma itself" this should be done at various levels and enforcement happens through various hierarchy... There might be some common references but not a exact replica... our constitution was written taking the best from UK, US, and Canada that does not mean that it is a replica of those... 

 

श्रीमानवन्यायः ॥
नाम धर्मार्थशास्त्रप्रधानविधायकः ।
न्यायाधारोऽसौ स्मृत्याचारप्रवर्तकः ॥
राज्ञा दण्डेन संरक्ष्यः प्रजाधर्मप्रवर्तनम् ।
यत्र शास्त्रं न दृश्येत तत्राचारः प्रमाणतः ॥

 

 

[rational]

5 hours ago, ChettaVedava said:

motham reading raledu kani.. this just tells about the how King should be enforcing the law and the hierarchy how law should be upholded.. it do not reference the manusmriti.. manusmriti says "Punishment governs all subjects; punishment protects them, punishment remains awake when people sleep, the wise know punishment to be dharma itself" this should be done at various levels and enforcement happens through various hierarchy... There might be some common references but not a exact replica... our constitution was written taking the best from UK, US, and Canada that does not mean that it is a replica of those... 

 

श्रीमानवन्यायः ॥
नाम धर्मार्थशास्त्रप्रधानविधायकः ।
न्यायाधारोऽसौ स्मृत्याचारप्रवर्तकः ॥
राज्ञा दण्डेन संरक्ष्यः प्रजाधर्मप्रवर्तनम् ।
यत्र शास्त्रं न दृश्येत तत्राचारः प्रमाणतः ॥

 

 

With out reading both books you cannot come to a conclusion that there might some references. i suggest you read both books and compare then you will get an idea.

Exact replica of moral code is not possible in practical implementation because of the kingdom internal issues there was a significant buddhist population during his rule. 18 title laws of manusmriti which is the major structure of the whole book and how king jayasthiti adapted the same 18 title laws with subtle changes (these laws act as skeleton for both the books),  4 varnas and around >50 subcastes in manusmriti and their adapatation as 64 castes in jayasthiti caste structure. overall similarity of crime and punishments between these two books based on caste. In some cases nepal book goes little further and some scenarios it takes more practical approach. If you read both books and started comparing you will get an idea how manusmriti  is the back bone in formation of Manav Nyayasashtra.