America Lo Phd Cheyalante India Student What Is Process

[Spyder_Reddy]

Process - processed - processed

[KeyserSoze]

yeah, you got it right.

 

PhD is the new MBA. everyone wants to do it.

 

without knowing why.

 

how many PhDs do you know who make more money than you do, in IT?

 

 

yeah I know a guy who did his biochem PhD go to US. It may be under that visa.. He didn't have any 'extra-ordinary' ability as far as I know.. in the sense, no international awards, or even popular professional membership awards.

 

the requirements are too hazy, and probably under the discretion of the visa officer to award it.

 

no harm to try it, I guess.

seems u hav not met people with extra ordinary skills with phd......i hav met a lot them...so take a chill pill

[KeyserSoze]

define top university.

 

never mind. PhD would still be a bad idea for someone who'd like to get back to real work, unless they are happy being underpaid for the next 10-15 yrs in academia.

define being under paid....haha

 

arguing for the sake of arguyng laga undi nee posts

[narsayya]

seems u hav not met people with extra ordinary skills with phd......i hav met a lot them...so take a chill pill

 

good for you.

 

developing better comprehension skills will help you meet more extraordinary skilled people with PhDs, though.

[narsayya]

define being under paid....haha

 

arguing for the sake of arguyng laga undi nee posts

 

if you are PhD, lets say you burned 5-6 yrs for your degree..

 

now you are 27, for argument sake. compare the salaries similarly aged people without a PhD get in other sectors.

 

You'd be getting somewhere around 40-85k (as a postdoc).. the others would be around 120-150k.

 

I'd think that'd qualify as being underpaid.

 

if you get into the industry, then its different.. but you won't be significantly paid more than peers your age without a PhD.

 

naa posts sare.. nee posts lu choosko.. argue chesintharavatha cheppu.. 

 

oorike anni telisinattu enduku drama lu veyyadam.

[KeyserSoze]

if you are PhD, lets say you burned 5-6 yrs for your degree..

 

now you are 27, for argument sake. compare the salaries similarly aged people without a PhD get in other sectors.

 

You'd be getting somewhere around 40-85k (as a postdoc).. the others would be around 120-150k.

 

I'd think that'd qualify as being underpaid.

 

if you get into the industry, then its different.. but you won't be significantly paid more than peers your age without a PhD.

 

naa posts sare.. nee posts lu choosko.. argue chesintharavatha cheppu.. 

 

oorike anni telisinattu enduku drama lu veyyadam.

but what if a phd guy doesnt want to comapre the salary metric...what if his goal is not to be an economic professor in calculating salary after x yrs and he only wanted to pursue his research in field of interest with decent salary.

 

bold---exactly what i wanted to convey you seeing your self-assumptions in every post

[narsayya]

but what if a phd guy doesnt want to comapre the salary metric...what if his goal is not to be an economic professor in calculating salary after x yrs and he only wanted to pursue his research in field of interest with decent salary.

 

bold---exactly what i wanted to convey you seeing your self-assumptions in every post

 

so many what ifs.. I'd already said that if his aim was to be in academia, he has to be prepared to be underpaid for the next 15-20yrs, until he earns a tenure and becomes part of an exclusive club of slave drivers who get to pick their own PhD students.

 

I've known lots of 30 yr olds with tenures across disciplines. They are usually incredibly brilliant. Rest of them, have to wait their chance, and many get frustrated and leave academia. Its a messy world out there in academia, even worse than in the industry.

 

If industry is the aim, and the most likely destination, PhD is not very useful and can be a hindrance.

 

I'm happy if many guys get into nanotech, fluid dynamics PhD programs. I can use them to drive my research at half the cost. so yeah, I welcome them.

 

If you have a point to make, make it. Don't try to go one up someone who's actually making arguments by choosing to focus on whatever wild theories you have about him. If you actually passed high school english, you'd know that I wasn't making any assumptions and was simply stating that the visa EB1, or whatever, itself has hazy rules and is prone to be under the discretion of what the visa issuing officer considers as "extraordinary ability".

 

I was a PhD student once. Since I wasn't good enough for tenure, I left to do something more productive with my limited abilities. I constantly interact with researchers in my area of work, and use their services. Their complaints are all the same, about the status of PhD in academia.

 

There are also very few industries who'd be willing to hire a PhD, if they can get the work done by a precocious graduate dropout.

 

Its a serious choice one has to make, given it'll eat up 5--6 yrs of the most productive years of your life.

 

If you have an issue with me.. don't reply to my arguments and make a fool of yourself.

[narsayya]

The only positive about a PhD is job security if you manage to get a 7 yr postdoc position in a lab. Again, at low salaries.

 

what you do from there, is upto you.

[dreamgirl]

@narsayya, Did u do Ph.D?

[KeyserSoze]

so many what ifs.. I'd already said that if his aim was to be in academia, he has to be prepared to be underpaid for the next 15-20yrs, until he earns a tenure and becomes part of an exclusive club of slave drivers who get to pick their own PhD students.

 

I've known lots of 30 yr olds with tenures across disciplines. They are usually incredibly brilliant. Rest of them, have to wait their chance, and many get frustrated and leave academia. Its a messy world out there in academia, even worse than in the industry.

 

If industry is the aim, and the most likely destination, PhD is not very useful and can be a hindrance.

 

I'm happy if many guys get into nanotech, fluid dynamics PhD programs. I can use them to drive my research at half the cost. so yeah, I welcome them.

 

If you have a point to make, make it. Don't try to go one up someone who's actually making arguments by choosing to focus on whatever wild theories you have about him. If you actually passed high school english, you'd know that I wasn't making any assumptions and was simply stating that the visa EB1, or whatever, itself has hazy rules and is prone to be under the discretion of what the visa issuing officer considers as "extraordinary ability".

 

I was a PhD student once. Since I wasn't good enough for tenure, I left to do something more productive with my limited abilities. I constantly interact with researchers in my area of work, and use their services. Their complaints are all the same, about the status of PhD in academia.

 

There are also very few industries who'd be willing to hire a PhD, if they can get the work done by a precocious graduate dropout.

 

Its a serious choice one has to make, given it'll eat up 5--6 yrs of the most productive years of your life.

 

If you have an issue with me.. don't reply to my arguments and make a fool of yourself.

you missed my point.....you cannot generalize on your experience and what you think is productive may not necessarily be productive to others......i already said that you have a bad network of researchers........I hav interacted/met/lived with Phds who are out of the world and are quite happy with what they are doing in life....

 

i can also reply to all of your BS irrelevant points which you hav written here....but i m not doing it coz i know i would get more irrelevant BS reply (mostly irrelevant to what thread starter has intended for)

 

and you assumed that replying to your arguments make me fool.....so what does it make you when you reply to my post in the same way(arguing)....by that logic you are fool tooo.....think twice

[dreamgirl]

.I hav interacted/met/lived with Phds who are out of the world and are quite happy with what they are doing in life....

Completely agree

[narsayya]

you missed my point.....you cannot generalize on your experience and what you think is productive may not necessarily be productive to others......i already said that you have a bad network of researchers........I hav interacted/met/lived with Phds who are out of the world and are quite happy with what they are doing in life....

 

i can also reply to all of your BS irrelevant points which you hav written here....but i m not doing it coz i know i would get more irrelevant BS reply (mostly irrelevant to what thread starter has intended for)

 

and you assumed that replying to your arguments make me fool.....so what does it make you when you reply to my post in the same way(arguing)....by that logic you are fool tooo.....think twice

 

stop making pronouncements on what is relevant or irrelevant. you are not replying to what I say because you have no clue what you are into.

 

'I have a bad network of researchers'? Lol.. compared to whom, you? do you pay those lovely 'out of the world' PhD guys for their time or do you simply let them tell you tales of lala land they are in.

 

you also need to take up a logic course, and stop romanticising PhD degree. Not everyone is cut out for that.. and its a very important question to ask before one takes that step.

 

I don't have the patience to argue with you anyway.

 

when you've made the money, I make in an year, in your entire lifetime.. I'll probably listen to you.. I don't think that day will come, though.

 

I'll reply if you have anything interesting to say. otherwise you can have the last word and declare victory. congrats.

[dreamgirl]

If it is all about the money, there wouldn't be so many innovations, Being a researcher myself, I am very happy with what I am doing.

[narsayya]

If it is all about the money, there wouldn't be so many innovations, Being a researcher myself, I am very happy with what I am doing.

 

good for you.

 

I was not dissing PhDs in anyway. before this guy jumped into the fray with his assumptions on what i wrote.

 

It is a fact, that postdocs are paid much less (especially in engineering streams, and basic science streams often have very less such positions) than people who've similar experience in an industry. And the path to tenure is incredibly opaque, and disillusioning. Its not that easy to just network your way into an awesome job as a PhD, even for tier 1 university guy.

 

I'm simply stating that.

[KeyserSoze]

stop making pronouncements on what is relevant or irrelevant. you are not replying to what I say because you have no clue what you are into.

 

'I have a bad network of researchers'? Lol.. compared to whom, you? do you pay those lovely 'out of the world' PhD guys for their time or do you simply let them tell you tales of lala land they are in.

 

you also need to take up a logic course, and stop romanticising PhD degree. Not everyone is cut out for that.. and its a very important question to ask before one takes that step.

 

I don't have the patience to argue with you anyway.

 

when you've made the money, I make in an year, in your entire lifetime.. I'll probably listen to you.. I don't think that day will come, though.

 

I'll reply if you have anything interesting to say. otherwise you can have the last word and declare victory. congrats.

so basically you never understood what i stated all along since my 1st post ....that its not abt money.....its abt what interests you......believe me there are umpteen people in the world who f**king care abt how much they make and njoy what they do.......

 

also i hav no romantic relation with phd degree.....i m as far from a phd degree as you are......its just seems that you njoy making money in life and thats good for you ...

Assuming(why not i assume this time) you are a rich guys surrounded by people whoz lifetime achievement is making money and more money....thats y i said its not your problem its your network...so go out ....meet more people from outside your clan and respect people who do not respect money coz its their choice...

P.S ---i do not have a romantic relationship with not making money......i love making money