quaysideGuy Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 wtf is pro-industry? is it a politicians duty to create jobs and take care of economy? do you think BJP is pro-industry? wait till small traders are affected to see how BJP reacts to 'industry'. every party caters to their votebank, and rightly so. That is the job of politicians. communists will also have their day in the sun. 1) wtf is pro-industry? Being pro-industry differs from country to country. In a country like India where there is considerable amount of red-tapism, socialist evangelism, welfare votebanks and corruption, being pro-industry is really a big deal. The politician in India is not empowered to the fullest during Congress regime. Those who don't fall in their line were branded evil industrialists. 2) do you think BJP is pro-industry? wait till small traders are affected to see how BJP reacts to 'industry'. Absolutely! Look at Gujarat and Vajpayee govt's policies. Small traders being affected is a global phenomenon. It's just evolution. 3) every party caters to their votebank But, a leader should be able to convince people even if it is against popular opinion and even if it is against his vote bank. I see those qualities in Modi. Best example is inviting Pak PM to his swearing in ceremony & Bangladesh tour which are against the ideology of his votebank 4) communists will also have their day in the sun. Not until they change their core philosophy
quaysideGuy Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 but there is. a wide spectrum for cluelessness. if communists take up dalit's cause, and somehow integrate their ideology to it, communists will be a huge force to reckon with in India. but their leadership is too stubborn. They already did and we know how much they suck at it. It didn't help but aggravated the hatred.
VizagRocks Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 They already did and we know how much they suck at it. It didn't help but aggravated the hatred. when? communists steadfastly refuse to recognise any caste differences. They live in their own world.
quaysideGuy Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 when? communists steadfastly refuse to recognise any caste differences. They live in their own world. Lol.. Did you ever listen to Prakash Karat, Yechury or Narayana's speeches? I've noticed the "D" word atleast a 100 times. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIIp9iz0nQw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXHu1N_0lsQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7pDHL_159Y Isn't his casteism?
VizagRocks Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 Lol.. Did you ever listen to Prakash Karat, Yechury or Narayana's speeches? I've noticed the "D" word atleast a 100 times. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIIp9iz0nQwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXHu1N_0lsQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7pDHL_159Y Isn't his casteism? no. looks like they are learning though. I wish their dalit outreach was even more aggressive. In time, they will get support.They also need a very recognisable dalit face at the top.
VizagRocks Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 Being pro-industry differs from country to country. In a country like India where there is considerable amount of red-tapism, socialist evangelism, welfare votebanks and corruption, being pro-industry is really a big deal. The politician in India is not empowered to the fullest during Congress regime. Those who don't fall in their line were branded evil industrialists. 2) [background=#f7f7f7]do you think BJP is pro-industry? [/background][background=#f7f7f7] wait till small traders are affected to see how BJP reacts to 'industry'.[/background] Absolutely! Look at Gujarat and Vajpayee govt's policies. Small traders being affected is a global phenomenon. It's just evolution. 3) [background=#f7f7f7]every party caters to their votebank[/background] But, a leader should be able to convince people even if it is against popular opinion and even if it is against his vote bank. I see those qualities in Modi. Best example is inviting Pak PM to his swearing in ceremony & Bangladesh tour which are against the ideology of his votebank 4) [background=#f7f7f7]communists will also have their day in the sun.[/background] Not until they change their core philosophy would you consider TamilNadu as pro-industry? This state has the maximum number of small scale industries, and also has a huge welfare system in place.The trick is, TamilNadu govt boasts less about its industrial policy than about its welfare schemes. especially if its a DMK govt.any morally aware govt will maintain an arm's length to industrialists, atleast for perception sake. only utter idiots boast about industrial development.
Dustbin Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 agreed.... Pedda doctors kuda unnaru...MRO... Teachers ... Professors .... Arvind vuncle ni em anoddu
VizagRocks Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 anyway I'm slightly surprised that you consider regular people acting on their evolutionary instincts to be competitive and successful as good, but look down on politicians who act on their evolutionary instincts to be successful at their chosen job.aren't you expecting something out of the ordinary from the politicians?
quaysideGuy Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 would you consider TamilNadu as pro-industry? This state has the maximum number of small scale industries, and also has a huge welfare system in place. The trick is, TamilNadu govt boasts less about its industrial policy than about its welfare schemes. especially if its a DMK govt. any morally aware govt will maintain an arm's length to industrialists, atleast for perception sake. only utter idiots boast about industrial development. would you consider TamilNadu as pro-industry? This state has the maximum number of small scale industries, and also has a huge welfare system in place. Tamil Nadu's advantage is that Chennai has been the only megacity for business headquarters in the entire south India before Bangalore and Hyderabad picked up. Also it has a large port which acts as a big asset to any city. TN would have been double the size of its current economy without DMK vs AIADMK politics. TamilNadu govt boasts less about its industrial policy That's because nobody except a few in Chennai would understand that language (economic growth & policy formulation). It's a matter of shame that they are speaking the welfare language than empowering people. especially if its a DMK govt. The whole country is aware of DMK's character after 2G. only utter idiots boast about industrial development. Whoever boasted about industrial development (CBN, Modi & now KCR) are doing so because that's the only way they can explain people about achievements during their tenure especially when it's too early for people to see the ground results. If they don't boast, they will be forgotten like PVNR sometimes without even being credited.
quaysideGuy Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 anyway I'm slightly surprised that you consider regular people acting on their evolutionary instincts to be competitive and successful as good, but look down on politicians who act on their evolutionary instincts to be successful at their chosen job. aren't you expecting something out of the ordinary from the politicians? consider regular people acting on their evolutionary instincts to be competitive and successful Competition is in the nature whether you like it or not. but look down on politicians who act on their evolutionary instincts to be successful at their chosen job. I never look down on politicians. I look down on their ideology. Politicians, at the end of the day are regular people like you and me who just happened to be there either by accident or by choice. aren't you expecting something out of the ordinary from the politicians? There won't be any progress if people don't expect anything from them. IMO they were chosen to perform miracles.
quaysideGuy Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 no. looks like they are learning though. I wish their dalit outreach was even more aggressive. In time, they will get support. They also need a very recognisable dalit face at the top. You are contradicting your own statements. On one hand you say Communists think above caste & religion and on the other you are happy with their appeasement policy and wish their dalit outreach was even more aggressive?
VizagRocks Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 Tamil Nadu's advantage is that Chennai has been the only megacity for business headquarters in the entire south India before Bangalore and Hyderabad picked up. Also it has a large port which acts as a big asset to any city. TN would have been double the size of its current economy without DMK vs AIADMK politics. You can make the same argument for every state to varying degrees. TamilNadu still has a better economy than almost all other states in India. more than the 'pro-industry' states you mention, like Gujarat, MadhyaPradesh, etc. That's because nobody except a few in Chennai would understand that language (economic growth & policy formulation). It's a matter of shame that they are speaking the welfare language than empowering people. Isn't it the job of politicians to connect to the normal guy, rather than preaching to him about this policy and that?TamilNadu has the unique distinction of lowering the bar in everything, including educational standards just so majority doesn't get left behind.It is a good data point to compare and contrast differing governance styles within a country. If after 30yrs TamilNadu falls behind rest of India, I will agree that 'development oriented' politicians were right after all. the jury is still out on this subject.The whole country is aware of DMK's character after 2G. as if other's are incorruptible.
VizagRocks Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 You are contradicting your own statements. On one hand you say Communists think above caste & religion and on the other you are happy with their appeasement policy and wish their dalit outreach was even more aggressive? didn't you correct my ignorance about dalit outreach of communists?why are you comparing my previous comment made out of ignorance, to one after you've showed some semblance of an outreach.my personal experience among communists in India is that they totally avoid discussions on caste. I assumed it was still the norm.
athletics Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 did anyone wonder Karl marx is born into rich german family?. i always think what made him move towards revolutionary communism...... Lol.. Naku telisina most pedda CPI/CPIM/PWG leaders andaru forward castes.. Konchamu tikka konchu edo uddarinchali ani..valla valla ego tho sanka nakichestaru
VizagRocks Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 [background=#f7f7f7]only utter idiots boast about industrial development.[/background] Whoever boasted about industrial development (CBN, Modi & now KCR) are doing so because that's the only way they can explain people about achievements during their tenure especially when it's too early for people to see the ground results. If they don't boast, they will be forgotten like PVNR sometimes without even being credited.they get to boast about development because they were heading states that weren't industrially developed to begin with. CBN is an exception, because he's truly fcuked in the mind.Maharashtra, Kerala, and TamilNadu CMs will never boast about industrial development.PVNR is a good politician, but is sometimes overrated.
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