About Caste system

[kingpru]

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[mettastar]

[quote author=Nalla_Balu link=topic=73205.msg776789#msg776789 date=1276051792]
Nope.. Ramayanam and Mahabharatham are beautiful creations by extraordinarily talented writers( poets ).. Vaalla age lo vaalla knowledge lo unna countries ne mention chesaaru.. Example Srilanka.. And aa kaalam lo there is no other religion in the subcontinent except hinduism.. Naaku thelsi aithe ekkada mention cheyale..
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creation by poets enti baaa
avi jariginattu proofs kuda unayi kada
appatlo india srilanka pakistan ila emi levu
pedha rajyalu undevi
so naaku telisi world lo chaala cover chesi untaru aa grandhalloo

[bhargava_v]

[quote author=mettastar link=topic=73205.msg777011#msg777011 date=1276058756]
creation by poets enti baaa
avi jariginattu proofs kuda unayi kada
appatlo india srilanka pakistan ila emi levu
pedha rajyalu undevi
so naaku telisi world lo chaala cover chesi untaru aa grandhalloo
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u r mixing mytholgy with science here..

[bhargava_v]

ede ga nuvu cheppedi..

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[mettastar]

[quote author=CASANOVA link=topic=73205.msg777013#msg777013 date=1276058817]
u r mixing mytholgy with science here..
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clear ga seppu baaa
nuvvu kinda future map vesav

[bhargava_v]

[quote author=mettastar link=topic=73205.msg777022#msg777022 date=1276059049]
clear ga seppu baaa
nuvvu kinda future map vesav
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photo meeda future ani undi kani edivaraku kuda ilane undedi ani oka theory undi..nuvu danini and mahabharatham ni kalipava ani aduguthuna..

[mettastar]

[quote author=CASANOVA link=topic=73205.msg777024#msg777024 date=1276059110]
photo meeda future ani undi kani edivaraku kuda ilane undedi ani oka theory undi..nuvu danini and mahabharatham ni kalipava ani aduguthuna..
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mix seyadam emundhi baa
adantha jarigindhe kada

[canny surya]

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kaani evadu ivi pattinchugoru ga ..evadi caste vadidhi evadi gola vadidhi... dance1w dance1w dance1w

[Jambhalheart]

[quote author=mettastar link=topic=73205.msg776517#msg776517 date=1276042864]
Indaka evaro kulalu puranallo levu annaru
e puranam lo ledo okasari septhara
naku telisi anni puranaallo kulalu unnayi
Krishnudu Yadhavudu
Kouravulu, Pandavulu Kshyathriyulu
Parasuramudu Brahmin,
I think ramudu Kshathriyudu
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Yes ,, ala annadi nene,.... ekkada annano kuda chipisthanu...

see my post in this link...

[url=http://www.andhrafriends.com/index.php?topic=73166.0]http://www.andhrafriends.com/index.php?topic=73166.0[/url]

Quite long ago the society was divided into four castes depending upon the nature of service they do so that they together make sure the smooth running of the social system. It was like the operational divisions of organizations. These four castes were the four functional pillars on which the society was standing. In the course of time the caste started to get determined by birth and later some of these sections started considering themselves superior to others. This finally led to the cruelty and inhuman behaviors of untouchability etc.



[b]The most authentic and most widely accepted religious book in hinduism is [u]THE BHAGAVAD GITA[/u] [/b](as it is spoken by god, no other book can take the place of bhagavad gita, the name itself says [b]Song sung by God[/b])


Lets see wat gita has to say regarding caste-sytem.


NO WHERE IN GITA CASTE IS MENTIONED !



sri krishna clearly said in gita that HE DIVIDED PEOPLE BASED ON THEIR QUALITIES NOT ON THEIR BIRTHS.

Now let me tell u wat exactly the words, BRAHMIN, KSHATRIYA, , SUDRA means.

(for a moment forget that they r castes ok.)


[b]BRAHMIN[/b] means a person who has BRAHMAN in man or a person who is close to god.
[b]KSHATRIYA[/b] means a person who has physical power, bravery and valour.
[b]VYISYA[/b] means a person who is rich and money behind him.
[b]SUDRA[/b] means labourer.


Now tell me one thing here, If a baby takes birth and after time i will that baby as RAJU. Now tell me does this baby really became king to some country??? Noo. This baby can become king if he wins some battle of kingdoms when he grows up. This means that he becomes king based on his qualities not on this birth! This wat exactly told in gita by sri krishna !

[b]BRAHMIN[/b] refers to person who is close to god . It does not mean that every person who takes birth in BRAHMIN caste is BRAHMIN ! ONE CAN BECOME BRAHMIN IF THEY BECOME CLOSE TO GOD. ONE CAN BECOME CLOSE TO GOD WHEN HE PRAYS OR IMPRESSES GOD.


[b]KSHATRIYA[/b] means a person who has physical power, bravery and valour.
It does not mean that every person who takes birth in this caste is not KSHATRIYA. HE CAN BECOME POWERFUL PHYSICALLY BY HIS HARD WORK NOT BY BIRTH.

[b]VYISYA[/b] means a person who is rich and money behind him. If a person who takes birth as VYISYA does not mean that he is rich person. He can become rich if he works hard to get rich. He can become VYISYA by his actions not by birth

[b]SUDRA[/b] means a person who is a labourer. One can become sudra by actions not by birth.

[Jambhalheart]

[b]Continued >>> [/b]



Let me tell u somne intresting facts,

[b]VYASA[/b] (fisherman) wrote Vedas.
Valmiki(bandit) wrote ramayana. He used to kill innocent people but left that path and he worshipped lord rama and then he became brahmin and then he wrote ramayana.

more over, [b]CASTE SYSTEM IS COMPLETLY A SOCIAL ISSUE. EVEN CHRISTIANITY HAS SECTS SYSTEM. PENTACOASTAL SAYS THAT ONLY THEY GO TO HEAVEN . THEY SAY THAT EVEN PROTESTANTS, CATHOLICS AND MANY MORE WILL GO HELL. 7th DAY ADVENTISTS SAY THAT THEY ONLY DESEVER HEAVEN.[/b]

and i think there is no need to say about Sects system in Islam. Sunnis hate shias and vice versa. kurds,wahabas hate each other and fight each other.

SO CASTE OR SECT IS COMPLETLY A SOCIAL ISSUE. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION !!



Now i have seen many people saying that vedas and other hindus scriptures enforce caste system.


Concepts like castes by birth, upper/lower castes, untouchables and dalits are expressly prohibited by Rigveda, Ramayana and Shrimad Bhagwat Gita.

Protagonists of castes by birth cite Purus-Sukta (X.90.12) of Rigveda and slokas (IV.13) and (XVIII.41) of Gita. This claim is totally knocked down by other richas of Rigveda, other slokas of Gita and examples set by Lord Rama.

There is no birth based caste in Rigveda is evident from simple fact that names of none of Rigvedic rishis carry any present day caste titles like Pandit, Sharma, Tripathi, Chaturvedi, Trivedi, Singh, Gupta and Namboodari.

Vedas, Valmiki Ramayan and Gita are three and only three supreme religious scriptures of Hindus. Rigveda has revelations to 414 rishis. Rigveda was composed around 1500 BC but other school believes it to be older than 5000 BC.

Rigveda does not mention cotton whereas the oldest cotton seeds found in Afghanistan are carbon dated to 5000 BC.

All others (Brahmanas, Upnishads, Puranas, Sutras, Smrities) are just commentaries, stories mixed with historical accounts and poets’ imaginations.

All writings in Sanskrit are not religious scriptures. Therefore, these latter compositions must yield to supremacy of Vedas. It is not a new assertion as these themselves acknowledge supremacy of Vedas. For example, Manusmriti vide Sloka (II.6), states that Vedas are the primary/first source of authority. So, it is logical that all such slokas of Manusmriti which are violative of Veda stand rejected.



Lord Krishna does not say guna and karma of previous life. In (XVIII.41) Lord Krishna says “Brahmana Kshatriya visham sudranam cha paramtapa, karmani pravibhaktani svabhavaprabhavaigunaih.” It means people have been grouped into four classes according to their present life karma (profession/work) and svabhava (behaviour).

Had this division been based on birth, Lord Krishna would have naturally used “Janmani pravibhaktani” in (XVIII.41).

In (X.20) Lord Krishna says “ahamatama gudakesa sarvabhutaa sayasthitah” i.e. “Arjuna! I am the universal self seated in the hearts of all beings.” Here, Lord neither excludes sudra from “all beings” nor excludes Himself from being in hearts of sudra.

In (XVIII.61) Lord says “eshwarah sarvabhutaanaam hraddesearjuna tisthati” i.e. Arjuna! God abides in the heart of all living beings.” Again, sudras are not excluded.

In (XIV.4) Lord Krishna says “of all embodied beings Arjuna, prakrti or nature is the conceiving Mother, while I am the seed giving Father.” Thus, Lord Krishna says that he is as much Father of sudras as he is Father of any other Hindu.

In (XVI.18) Lord Krishna says: “Given over to egotism, brute force, arrogance, etc. they hate Me dwelling in their own bodies as well as those of others.”

Thus, Lord Krishna instructs that a Hindu must not hate bodies of others Hindus as He is there in bodies of all so Gita prohibits untouchability.

In (XVI.19) Lord curses Manu supporters: “These haters, sinful, cruel and vilest among men, I cast (them) again and again into demonical yonies (wombs).” In (XVI.20) Lord again curses Manu supporters: “Failing to reach Me, Arjuna, these stupid souls are born life after life in demoniac wombs (asura yoni) and then verily sink down to a still lower plane.” In (XVIII.71) and (V.18) Lord again instructs equality of all Hindus.



Shrimad Valmiki Ramayan (1.1.98 to 100) also says whosoever including sudra reads it will achieve greatness and get rid of all sins. Thus, Vedas, Ramayana and Gita confer authority on sudras to possess and read all these.

In Ramayan, Lord Rama has set following two lessons for all Hindus which we witness every year in Ramlilas but never follow in our practical lives.

Ravana was a grandson of risi Pulatsya. He was an expert on Vedas too. So, he was a Brahimin by birth under Manu definition as well as a Brahimin (educated) by qualification (veda-gyata) but he and most of his family members were killed by Lord Rama for their wrong doings. So, the first lesson of Ramayana is that everyone is equal before law.

Lord Rama visited Shabri, called her a mother (mata); ate food from her hands and washed feet of Nisadraj. Lord Rama lived for years among vanvasi (tribals). So the second lesson of Ramayana is that a true Rambhakta should never discriminate against SC/ST/Dalit Hindus, should never hesitate to visit and dine with them. Mahatma Gandhi always followed both these two lessons of Ramayana.

Thus, the central command of the 14 harmony richas and 10 profession not hereditary richas of Vedas is that all Hindus are totally equal by birth, of one bunch, share same water and food, worship together united in same temple, common are prayers, common purpose, common thoughts, united like spokes of a wheel, common oblation and friendly towards each others.

[Jambhalheart]

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chala inka kavala ???? Vedas,Bhagavad gita nunchi verses tho prove chesanu... idi saripoledu ante cheppu, inkonni verses techi chupisthanu... ok naa ????

[canny surya]

@ jambal heart mama very informative  *=: *=: *=: i'm u r fan 4m today.... cheers12w cheers12w

[Jambhalheart]

[quote author=canny surya link=topic=73205.msg777366#msg777366 date=1276080916]
@ jambal heart mama very informative  *=: *=: *=: i'm u r fan 4m today.... cheers12w cheers12w
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Thanks mama..

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[kattikeka]

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[geek]

Vedas/upanishads state about the caste , but the meaning of the caste itself has been changed along the way.
I have read an article about the origins of caste system. It states that caste system was made to differentiate the tasks which are done by various people .. like kshathriyas - to gaurd the people, Bhramins - To guide the people, shudras- there are various Categories (where they are assigned different tasks) .. As the days passed, there are few who has misused the system for their benfits and subdued the lower castes..

Thats what even happened with the christainity .. medieval perios pope was so strong that he used to command mass assasinations who ever oppose the system ..