papam pasupu farmer :(

[siru]

25 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

This is what it happens when the government tries to create an artificial demand and supply for the produce. 

This is nothing new, the same things has happened to red chilli, last year it was cereals, before last year it was for cotton. 

As long as the government creates an artificial demand by announcing minimum support price for the agri produce, this problem will persists. 

The best solution is to remove the artificial pricing and create a market economy where everything will be traded as per demand and supply and farmers will also be cautious of the pricing and so will act grow the produce as per the demand and price in the local market.

 

whats the guarantee that the demand will sustain from the time farmer starts growing the crop to the time the crop is ready to be sold?

I think thats why govt is giving the guaranteed min. price for the crop.

[kakatiya]

12 minutes ago, Ekambaram said:

Cold storages I guess are a shortage in India ... any idea 

cold storages are not very profitable to run.. but profitable for  farmers who store them in cold storages to sell them when there is a profitable rate.. especially Bengal gram.. chilies etc...

 

government subsidy istudhi... 

[kakatiya]

Just now, siru said:

whats the guarantee that the demand will sustain from the time farmer starts growing the crop to the time the crop is ready to be sold?

I think thats why govt is giving the guaranteed min. price for the crop.

governmanet cannot control the demand or supply.. but if farmers can estimate the right demand and commonly negotiate the supply, it will help them.. but farmers make crops in isolated area but when it goes to market it comes from 2 3 mandals.

[kakatiya]

 

[TOM_BHAYYA]

1 minute ago, kakatiya said:

governmanet cannot control the demand or supply.. but if farmers can estimate the right demand and commonly negotiate the supply, it will help them.. but farmers make crops in isolated area but when it goes to market it comes from 2 3 mandals.

Ee mukku gadu edho crop divisions or something antundu ga..ye Area lo edhi veyaaalo .. adhi emaina implememtation start aithe konchem situation better avvudhhemo

[Ekambaram]

14 minutes ago, kakatiya said:

cold storages are not very profitable to run.. but profitable for  farmers who store them in cold storages to sell them when there is a profitable rate.. especially Bengal gram.. chilies etc...

 

government subsidy istudhi... 

Why can't they make cold storage a profitable one and do it a win win for storage operator and farmer instead of feeding the middle man or spoiling the produce 

[Ekambaram]

Also why should farmers take the pain of selling the crop besides producing it ... govt should streamline the crop purchase directly from the fields ... farmers job should end after the harvest 

[kakatiya]

23 minutes ago, Ekambaram said:

Why can't they make cold storage a profitable one and do it a win win for storage operator and farmer instead of feeding the middle man or spoiling the produce 

cold storages wont be profitable because farmers don't make crash crops.. we mostly farm paddy. Paddy is stored in government storages and they get price. Paddy supply and demand is controlled by government.

 

Governmnet cannot tell farmers to farm particular farm or not to farm particular farm because just imagin if government prediction is wrong and farms fail,  Government will fall. So in the end what the best government can do is to eliminate middle vendor and create a well directed private purchasing system.

[kakatiya]

23 minutes ago, Ekambaram said:

Also why should farmers take the pain of selling the crop besides producing it ... govt should streamline the crop purchase directly from the fields ... farmers job should end after the harvest 

they cannot do that india has millions of hectars.. they can only do at distribution level... but government can control bad seeds or help farmers in mixing the crops..

[Android_Halwa]

1 minute ago, kakatiya said:

government direct ga distribution centers kattali..

and direct ga purchase cheyali farmers nunchi and find a right direct client to buy the products..

 

Government is already subsidizing cold storages etc, they should also subsidize transport and purchase of cash crops and regular crops.

Ala subsidize chese situation ni iroju ie stage ki teesukocharu. 

Pricing plays a major factor for which demand supply are two main components. Ie year MSP icharu kada ani next year farmers andaru ade crop vesi anavasaranga bumper output vachaka price will fall down...ade demand ki taggatu oka free market vunte pricing would be appropriate and farmers will also realise the demand for the crop and farm it accordingly.

MSP is the real killer and Middlemen are the parasites.

[Android_Halwa]

1 hour ago, siru said:

whats the guarantee that the demand will sustain from the time farmer starts growing the crop to the time the crop is ready to be sold?

I think thats why govt is giving the guaranteed min. price for the crop.

A naturally occurring demand will not fall drastically as in the case of MSP. 

MSP can't decide at what price something should be sold for. The market should decide. IT involves from end consumers to the middlemen till farmer's end which will also include the cost of sowing and harvest. 

The govt. is initiating MSP is solely for populist reason. You offer price for a commodity who has no takers, where does the government sell this produce ? 

Look at the storage depots of Food Corporation of India...they are full with grains picked up by offering MSP and every year, tonnes of quality harvest is being written off and no idea where to move these stocks and the result of this, unnecessary produce will be dumped in the market at wrong times fluctuating the actual price and resulting in the fall of commonalities. India is the only country which is offering MSP to crops and this is the real reason why agriculture is at such a pathetic state. 

Look at the example of red chillies. Now govt has come across to pick up the stocks and fill the go downs with bumper harvest of red chilles. Where does this excess crop go ? The reason of such an excess crop is because as last year there was shortage and price was high for red chillies, everyone sowed red chillies expecting the same price and the result is clear. 

If govt wants to avoid such things next year, then should stop MSP this year and allow the free market to decide the prices.

 

[kingcasanova]

There is this system between farmer and end buyer that profits just by managing things, for every sale that they make with farmers they charge 10% commission, and buy for less cost by having their margin of profit. By the time the product reaches end user it goes through atleast 5 brokers there by adding up more price to the original price paid to the former. Both the one who produced the product and the one who is buying it are being robbed by these brokers, we should find an alternative to it.

[kingcasanova]

There is this system between farmer and end buyer that profits just by managing things, for every sale that they make with farmers they charge 10% commission, and buy for less cost by having their margin of profit. By the time the product reaches end user it goes through atleast 5 brokers there by adding up more price to the original price paid to the former. Both the one who produced the product and the one who is buying it are being robbed by these brokers, we should find an alternative to it.

[Android_Halwa]

3 minutes ago, kingcasanova said:

There is this system between farmer and end buyer that profits just by managing things, for every sale that they make with farmers they charge 10% commission, and buy for less cost by having their margin of profit. By the time the product reaches end user it goes through atleast 5 brokers there by adding up more price to the original price paid to the former. Both the one who produced the product and the one who is buying it are being robbed by these brokers, we should find an alternative to it.

Again, this system is not somethign you can break. Its decades long practice and if someone breaks this practice, farmers are at the loss.

Middlemen are the ones who gurantee lot of things. from produce pick to market yard to end customers. Reality is, for a KG of rice, if the retail price is Rs.100, then the best case price farmer gets is 20 rs per KG. This is the profitable price for the farmer. 

the 100 rs per KG price is fixed as per market demand. But if the govt comes in middle and fixes the wholesale price, it effects the retail price and in the end, farmer is the loser. Middlemen will still have thier profits. Even if there is reduction in the money margins, Middlemen has nothing to loose as they are not the producers. 

farmer cannot sell you directly. Raw produce cannot be sold in its original shape. It has to be transported, it has to be stored,processed and then wholesaled and then retailed. Farmer cannot do these things and if he does, he is not a farmer but a businessmen. There is a difference in being a farmer and businessmen.

Market economy is dependent on free market pricing and as long as this doesn't happen, farmer will the sufferer producing bumper harvest of the crop which doesn't have worth or value.

Easy to blame middlemen, but without middlemen, farmer is the ultimate loser.

[NinduChandurudu]

so sad