I am living in a prison called society

[lazybugger]

1 minute ago, AFDBphilosopher said:

Morality antey enti

Neeku koorchobetti anni vaddaku teesukoni ravala

Nuvvu puttinappudu neeku emi telidhu

School lo koncham nerpistaru

Neeku gnanam vochaka neeeku nuvvu decide chesukuntavu

Inka emi kavali neeku

World doesn't owe you anything

Ninnu evaranna rape chesaaraa? Then it is wrong

Basic security anedhi untadi society lo

Beyond that you have to work for it

basic security leni vaallaki? 

small caveat: when you talk, try not to use 'you' so carelessly, unless you are really addressing me. My networth is big enough for me to set up trust funds for 13 of my nephews. I have some issues with how the world functions, and I rant. doesn't mean I need your encouragement or advice. Just saying. Please talk as if you are making a point, and not as if you are addressing me.

[pulibidda]

1 minute ago, AFDBphilosopher said:

women and money is a social situation..very small aspect...

i m asking you straight ..do you conclude that as the social situation or your perception?

[AFDBphilosopher]

Just now, pulibidda said:

women and money is a social situation..very small aspect...

i m asking you straight ..do you conclude that as the social situation or your perception?

Nenu cheppedi neeku artham kaledhu

Everything is a perception

So, I will say the answer to your question is perception

But society is built on the collective perception of its people

What is constitution? We elect or select some leaders to tell us how a country should work

Society therefore is a social order that people collectively chose to live by

[lazybugger]

9 minutes ago, AFDBphilosopher said:

Morality antey enti

Neeku koorchobetti anni vaddaku teesukoni ravala

Nuvvu puttinappudu neeku emi telidhu

School lo koncham nerpistaru

Neeku gnanam vochaka neeeku nuvvu decide chesukuntavu

Inka emi kavali neeku

World doesn't owe you anything

Ninnu evaranna rape chesaaraa? Then it is wrong

Basic security anedhi untadi society lo

Beyond that you have to work for it

Morality antey koorchobetti bhojanam pettadam kaadhu brother.

What is the end goal for humans, as a society.. emi lekunda just gaali lo tiragataaniki, why civilization, govt, and all that bullshit? you can just spot a beautiful girl, take her away and keep her with you until another man claims her as his, no?

if the goal is for a better future.. how to achieve it. Should it empower a few superstars or provide equal opportunity for everyone, and let superstars rise up from the masses? Should superstars be prevented from taking advantage of their position to enrich their kids over the rest of the masses? If yes, how to do it. If no, how will it help iin identifying the next potential superstars.. etc.

these are the questions you should ask yourself, before you put forth hedonistic lifestyle as somehow being sustainable both socially and economically for a society.

[AFDBphilosopher]

7 minutes ago, lazybugger said:

basic security leni vaallaki? 

small caveat: when you talk, try not to use 'you' so carelessly, unless you are really addressing me. My networth is big enough for me to set up trust funds for 13 of my nephews. I have some issues with how the world functions, and I rant. doesn't mean I need your encouragement or advice. Just saying. Please talk as if you are making a point, and not as if you are addressing me.

Can you give an example where basic security doesn't exist?

It is the failure of the government if a citizen doesn't have basic security

It is the basic responsibility of the government to provide basic security to its citizens

What consititutes basic security is another interrelated question. That is something the government should formalize.

In india ther eis some thing called BPL families. Below poverty line families get some incentives from the government.

[lazybugger]

4 minutes ago, AFDBphilosopher said:

Nenu cheppedi neeku artham kaledhu

Everything is a perception

So, I will say the answer to your question is perception

But society is built on the collective perception of its people

What is constitution? We elect or select some leaders to tell us how a country should work

Society therefore is a social order that people collectively chose to live by

and that order is consistently disturbed so some guys can get rich. you want everyone to brush it off as attempt to get women and money, and to mind our own businesses.

because world doesn't owe us anything.

dude, it owes the social order. Its every man's right to demand that order be implemented.

It has never been implemented in history, and that's why its a constant struggle.

[pulibidda]

3 minutes ago, AFDBphilosopher said:

Nenu cheppedi neeku artham kaledhu

Everything is a perception

So, I will say the answer to your question is perception

But society is built on the collective perception of its people

What is constitution? We elect or select some leaders to tell us how a country should work

Society therefore is a social order that people collectively chose to live by

individual soul of a person who seeks..truth in right way should have the freedom..

it should not be decided or ruled by your so called collective bullshit and constitution...which makes a society of slaves..

and you want us to be in it????????

[AFDBphilosopher]

1 minute ago, lazybugger said:

Morality antey koorchobetti bhojanam pettadam kaadhu brother.

What is the end goal for humans, as a society.. emi lekunda just gaali lo tiragataaniki, why civilization, govt, and all that bullshit? you can just spot a beautiful girl, take her away and keep her with you until another man claims her as his, no?

if the goal is for a better future.. how to achieve it. Should it empower a few superstars or provide equal opportunity for everyone, and let superstars rise up from the masses? Should superstars be prevented from taking advantage of their position to enrich their kids over the rest of the masses? If yes, how to do it. If no, how will it help iin identifying the next potential superstars.. etc.

these are the questions you should ask yourself, before you put forth hedonistic lifestyle as somehow being sustainable both socially and economically for a society.

Ther eis no end goal to humanity

Most importantly one person cannot tell what end goal should be

But you can have a goal for your self

So does every one

Then the social system evolves to acheive some consensus and makes adjustments in its operations 

Society is not perfect because people have conflicting opinions in how it should exist

But if social system doesn't exists we can return to caves

Civilization took us to moon and now to Mars

 

 

[AFDBphilosopher]

4 minutes ago, lazybugger said:

and that order is consistently disturbed so some guys can get rich. you want everyone to brush it off as attempt to get women and money, and to mind our own businesses.

because world doesn't owe us anything.

dude, it owes the social order. Its every man's right to demand that order be implemented.

It has never been implemented in history, and that's why its a constant struggle.

And why do you think there is no order

Can you give an example of how the order is disturbed?

Do you want socialism, equality for all?

If a rich guy decides to spend his money on girls, whoa r eyou to question it when the girl is interested in money?

But if a guy rapes a girl, we should definitely question it/.

 

[pulibidda]

2 minutes ago, AFDBphilosopher said:

Ther eis no end goal to humanity

Most importantly one person cannot tell what end goal should be

But you can have a goal for your self

So does every one

Then the social system evolves to acheive some consensus and makes adjustments in its operations 

Society is not perfect because people have conflicting opinions in how it should exist

But if social system doesn't exists we can return to caves

Civilization took us to moon and now to Mars

 

 

in what way you are civilized..you should look into that?

[AFDBphilosopher]

6 minutes ago, pulibidda said:

individual soul of a person who seeks..truth in right way should have the freedom..

it should not be decided or ruled by your so called collective bullshit and constitution...which makes a society of slaves..

and you want us to be in it????????

You can choose to go to forest and live

Who is denying you that right?

We need some order called society so that there is no chaos

How can we fund medical research etc. when there is no society

It is because of society and civilization that we are talking on this board

We don't know each other but still talking due to internet

[AFDBphilosopher]

2 minutes ago, pulibidda said:

in what way you are civilized..you should look into that?

[lazybugger]

1 minute ago, AFDBphilosopher said:

Can you give an example where basic security doesn't exist?

It is the failure of the government if a citizen doesn't have basic security

It is the basic responsibility of the government to provide basic security to its citizens

What consititutes basic security is another interrelated question. That is something the government should formalize.

In india ther eis some thing called BPL families. Below poverty line families get some incentives from the government.

Its the responsibility of the govt to provide basic security, but its also the right of the citizen to apply pressure on the govt to do things that can compromise basic security for a large part of population, right? because they are simply competing for women and money. They are just innocent people going with the flow., right?

30+% of people are illiterate. you are talking of responsibility of govt after 70yrs.

anyway, its not just security. capital markets are skewed in favour of a few, at the cost of many. those few are probably 

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society is designed in a way to benefit a few over the masses. simple. you can call it whatever you want. I'm always afraid that someone is going to shoot the people I love for some money, or ransack my home.

'The world doesn't owe you anything' works both ways. Just because you've been a good boy, and made money the 'right' way, and got your woman the right way, it doesn't mean you are owed a good life. It is possible for revolution to come and take it all in one go.

 

[AFDBphilosopher]

2 minutes ago, lazybugger said:

Its the responsibility of the govt to provide basic security, but its also the right of the citizen to apply pressure on the govt to do things that can compromise basic security for a large part of population, right? because they are simply competing for women and money. They are just innocent people going with the flow., right?

30+% of people are illiterate. you are talking of responsibility of govt after 70yrs.

anyway, its not just security. capital markets are skewed in favour of a few, at the cost of many. those few are probably 

--------

society is designed in a way to benefit a few over the masses. simple. you can call it whatever you want. I'm always afraid that someone is going to shoot the people I love for some money, or ransack my home.

'The world doesn't owe you anything' works both ways. Just because you've been a good boy, and made money the 'right' way, and got your woman the right way, it doesn't mean you are owed a good life. It is possible for revolution to come and take it all in one go.

 

 

I am not saying society is perfect

It is in a constant state of flux

It keeps changing

It is definitely the right of the citizen to apply pressure and that is how society evolves

capital markets being skewed is a concernt hat is rising in the last dsecade

Technology has accelrated it

You have basic security. Nobody rapes a girl or abducts her o  abeach vacation. That is what society gives you.

But it is possible that she will be abducted by some goon. We can't prevent it. But we can understand why it happened and fix the laws etc.

If you want 100% gurantee on anything, it is not possible. Ther eis no way you can achieve it

[pulibidda]

2 minutes ago, AFDBphilosopher said:

 

I am not saying society is perfect

It is in a constant state of flux

It keeps changing

It is definitely the right of the citizen to apply pressure and that is how society evolves

capital markets being skewed is a concernt hat is rising in the last dsecade

Technology has accelrated it

You have basic security. Nobody rapes a girl or abducts her o  abeach vacation. That is what society gives you.

But it is possible that she will be abducted by some goon. We can't prevent it. But we can understand why it happened and fix the laws etc.

If you want 100% gurantee on anything, it is not possible. Ther eis no way you can achieve it

good you are slowly inclined towards..actual sense