Srimantudu Posted November 13, 2017 Report Posted November 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, k2s said: How do you explain it to 60 yrs old ? Quote
uttermost Posted November 13, 2017 Author Report Posted November 13, 2017 5 minutes ago, k2s said: How do you explain it to 60 yrs old ? I would explain that he cannot tap on a young girl's butt, or make an obscene gesture, or flirt with a young girl, and get away with it. He'd be really scared. Quote
Vishwaksena Posted November 13, 2017 Report Posted November 13, 2017 10 minutes ago, uttermost said: I would explain that he cannot tap on a young girl's butt, or make an obscene gesture, or flirt with a young girl, and get away with it. He'd be really scared. Who would impose punishment if the govt ceases to exist? Moral police? What about due process? Would there be 'rules' in place to give him a fair trial? Quote
uttermost Posted November 13, 2017 Author Report Posted November 13, 2017 14 minutes ago, Vishwaksena said: Who would impose punishment if the govt ceases to exist? Moral police? What about due process? Would there be 'rules' in place to give him a fair trial? There would be no punishment. at worst, he'll be ostracized, and he has to live alone, make his food alone, etc. ofcourse, a mob can decide to attack him on instinct. but doing so is not in the spirit of anarchism. basically, govt ceases to exist, and so does all power structures that come with it. means borders don't exist, and no one owns or controls anything, and all decisions can only be made through consensus. obviously a huge population cannot develop that level of complex interdependence out of voluntary association. so the communities will be small, and they will exchange ideas and goods, with each other as groups. with people moving from one group to another based on the necessity of the group or the individual. Quote
uttermost Posted November 13, 2017 Author Report Posted November 13, 2017 15 minutes ago, Vishwaksena said: Who would impose punishment if the govt ceases to exist? Moral police? What about due process? Would there be 'rules' in place to give him a fair trial? There won't be laws or any due process. Quote
Vishwaksena Posted November 13, 2017 Report Posted November 13, 2017 This only makes sense when there is peace everywhere. But by the very definition of anarchy, anybody can do anything. No protection for minorities, high crime rates, populism will be at it's worst. Anarchic society acts as a platform for rise of authoritarianism. People tend to look for a leader who could put things in place. I don't see anything practically possible in anarchy Quote
uttermost Posted November 13, 2017 Author Report Posted November 13, 2017 19 minutes ago, Vishwaksena said: This only makes sense when there is peace everywhere. But by the very definition of anarchy, anybody can do anything. No protection for minorities, high crime rates, populism will be at it's worst. Anarchic society acts as a platform for rise of authoritarianism. People tend to look for a leader who could put things in place. I don't see anything practically possible in anarchy I agree that anarchism is quite an ideal. almost impossible to achieve. but what you describe is not anarchism. anarchism means doing away with every oppressive structure, that includes racism, sexism, and every ism you can think of. The only authority that'll remain is the one that can justify itself. example, a nuclear scientist (or a group) only is allowed to operate nuclear facilities, and everybody else should shut up and listen to him. authoritarianism cannot rise from an anarchist society. because nobody is allowed to be a leader. Even if one is a leader, it'll be allowed only for a particular task, because the task needs him. not beyond that. why anarchism is not possible is because, it is the ultimate ideal which needs several baby steps to reach. as a first, destruction of the capitalist democracies, and ushering in direct democracies where people vote for particular tasks, than for a particular person. It'll be the first step towards a long process to anarchism. anarchism cannot also rise from chaos. because under chaos, authoritarians can scare people into promising fealty to them. anarchist groups will never allow one person to take the lead. Quote
uttermost Posted November 13, 2017 Author Report Posted November 13, 2017 anarchism can come to fruition in the age of peak AI. I think cooperative models for companies is the second step after direct democracy. Quote
uttermost Posted November 13, 2017 Author Report Posted November 13, 2017 19 minutes ago, Vishwaksena said: This only makes sense when there is peace everywhere. But by the very definition of anarchy, anybody can do anything. No protection for minorities, high crime rates, populism will be at it's worst. Anarchic society acts as a platform for rise of authoritarianism. People tend to look for a leader who could put things in place. I don't see anything practically possible in anarchy There will no such thing as minorities, because one will not be allowed to justify discrimination based on caste, color or religion. there will be very less crime, because no one can own any property or have any money, or raise groups as a leader to subjugate other groups. There can only be free exchange. And all exchanges are fair, if the people involved in the exchange are comfortable with it. anarchism may not be attainable, because humans are socially insecure. and want to establish their superiority in a group. That won't be possible or allowed in an anarchy. I like to believe that the insecurity is not inherent to humans, and perhaps in a different and less competititive environment, people will be happier to share their work with others freely. Quote
Vishwaksena Posted November 13, 2017 Report Posted November 13, 2017 Ok. This is never happening. It is too utopian for reality Quote
uttermost Posted November 13, 2017 Author Report Posted November 13, 2017 1 minute ago, Vishwaksena said: Ok. This is never happening. It is too utopian for reality that's why its perfect. Quote
Babu_Moshai Posted November 13, 2017 Report Posted November 13, 2017 2 hours ago, k2s said: How do you explain it to 60 yrs old ? we cannot tatha.. no school .. so anyways no homework. @uttermost ki cheppaliantey thaney example avvali.... Immagine there is a government and rant it is not doing its job ani Quote
uttermost Posted November 13, 2017 Author Report Posted November 13, 2017 Just now, Babu_Moshai said: we cannot tatha.. no school .. so anyways no homework. @uttermost ki cheppaliantey thaney example avvali.... Immagine there is a government and rant it is not doing its job ani so smart. but the topic is anarchism. not 'try to piss on uttermost any chance you get, even if it makes you look like a fool' Quote
Babu_Moshai Posted November 13, 2017 Report Posted November 13, 2017 41 minutes ago, uttermost said: so smart. but the topic is anarchism. not 'try to piss on uttermost any chance you get, even if it makes you look like a fool' edchav thiyy Quote
k2s Posted November 13, 2017 Report Posted November 13, 2017 1 hour ago, uttermost said: so smart. but the topic is anarchism. not 'try to piss on uttermost any chance you get, even if it makes you look like a fool' how do you explain in two line to ppl in DB ? Quote
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