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[Jeffa]

so kldr mama u say to change the consitution rules anthey kada...

[govardhan]

[quote author=krldr871 link=topic=84195.msg891123#msg891123 date=1280010509]
45 varaku agakkarledu baa..naku telisina chala mandi, US UK germany france lo pedda pedda corporate giants ki pani chese vallu 35-40 age vaallu jobs resign chesi loksatta join ayyaru..chala mandi unnaru..i know at least 5-10 of them..jus imagine, 150-200k pay check vadielsi politics join ayyaru ante valla commitment..
nenu cheppindi, at least settle ayaka edokati panikochedi cheyachu kadha society ki ani..MLA ki contest cheyala or corporation ki cheyala anedhi purely mana choice and mana potential ni batti..young age nunchi ayithe corporation ki chesi, koncham popular ayyi MLA avvadam lantivi cheyyachu..
traditional ga unna electoral system lo no vote ane concept petti use ledhu..no one will use it..proportional electoral system..ante ippduu unna electoral system lo 100 voters unte, 2 parties unayi anuko..50-50 vasthe tie..51-49 vasthe 51 vachina vadu gelichinattu..51 mandiki veedu ante ishtam kani 49 mandiki vedante ishtam ledu ani ardham..aa second part ni andaru marchipotaaru..majority anedhi considerable majority avvali at least 70 75 %..anthe kani wht is the difference between 51 and 49..really nothing at all..few votes..so ee situation lo parties r desperate for getting the marginal vote..anduke desperate ga dabbulu saara panchi ayina sare gelavali ankuntaru..
proportional electoral system with multi candidate representation unte, lets say 25% minimum vasthe oka candidate he can represent the constituency ankundham..so ippudu vote waste ayye concept undadhu..gelavademo ane logic work avvadhu kadha..25 25 25% 3 candidates ki vasthe, panel of 3 candidates represent it..deni valla advantage enti ante, 3 candidates elect ayite, andulo at least okadu manchi vaadu unte, vaadi vere vallaki threat avthadu..so competition untadi manchi cheyalani..gradual ga change ravachu at least konni places lo..and slowly change will propagate through the entire system..
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150-200  emi kharma mama...naku telisina vallu kuda chala mandi politrics loki vacaru...party peru endukule kani...vaallu vachindi yr antha edva kashtalu padi 200k sampadinch...malli andulo taxes pogottukodam deniki...hayiga AC room lo kaalu meedha kaalu vesi 500k sampadiddam ani... sSc_hiding2 sSc_hiding2

and nuvvvu cheppina proportional rajeekayam gurinchi vaste, 25% votes chaalu anukunte....election waste, major parties will come to a mutual agreement as to aquire the minimum % of votes for each of those parties....andaru kalisi dochukundamante, ye party kadantundi? sCo_hmmthink sCo_hmmthink

[keko__keka]

[quote author=govardhan link=topic=84195.msg891145#msg891145 date=1280011038]
150-200  emi kharma mama...naku telisina vallu kuda chala mandi politrics loki vacaru...party peru endukule kani...vaallu vachindi yr antha edva kashtalu padi 200k sampadinch...malli andulo taxes pogottukodam deniki...hayiga AC room lo kaalu meedha kaalu vesi 500k sampadiddam ani... sSc_hiding2 sSc_hiding2

and nuvvvu cheppina proportional rajeekayam gurinchi vaste, 25% votes chaalu anukunte....election waste, major parties will come to a mutual agreement as to aquire the minimum % of votes for each of those parties....andaru kalisi dochukundamante, ye party kadantundi? sCo_hmmthink sCo_hmmthink
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hmm..political opppnonents madhya aa agreemtne kastam.....nenu first ante ......nenu first dochukovali ani.......racha sestar........similar..ex........KA lo kumarsami gadu cm annadu....theera bjp turn vache sariki.........MG annadu  sAng_banghead2 sAng_banghead2

[govardhan]

[quote author=krldr871 link=topic=84195.msg891123#msg891123 date=1280010509]
45 varaku agakkarledu baa..naku telisina chala mandi, US UK germany france lo pedda pedda corporate giants ki pani chese vallu 35-40 age vaallu jobs resign chesi loksatta join ayyaru..chala mandi unnaru..i know at least 5-10 of them..jus imagine, 150-200k pay check vadielsi politics join ayyaru ante valla commitment..
nenu cheppindi, at least settle ayaka edokati panikochedi cheyachu kadha society ki ani..MLA ki contest cheyala or corporation ki cheyala anedhi purely mana choice and mana potential ni batti..young age nunchi ayithe corporation ki chesi, koncham popular ayyi MLA avvadam lantivi cheyyachu..
traditional ga unna electoral system lo no vote ane concept petti use ledhu..no one will use it..proportional electoral system..ante ippduu unna electoral system lo 100 voters unte, 2 parties unayi anuko..50-50 vasthe tie..51-49 vasthe 51 vachina vadu gelichinattu..51 mandiki veedu ante ishtam kani 49 mandiki vedante ishtam ledu ani ardham..aa second part ni andaru marchipotaaru..majority anedhi considerable majority avvali at least 70 75 %..anthe kani wht is the difference between 51 and 49..really nothing at all..few votes..so ee situation lo parties r desperate for getting the marginal vote..anduke desperate ga dabbulu saara panchi ayina sare gelavali ankuntaru..
proportional electoral system with multi candidate representation unte, lets say 25% minimum vasthe oka candidate he can represent the constituency ankundham..so ippudu vote waste ayye concept undadhu..gelavademo ane logic work avvadhu kadha..25 25 25% 3 candidates ki vasthe, panel of 3 candidates represent it..deni valla advantage enti ante, 3 candidates elect ayite, andulo at least okadu manchi vaadu unte, vaadi vere vallaki threat avthadu..so competition untadi manchi cheyalani..gradual ga change ravachu at least konni places lo..and slowly change will propagate through the entire system..
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and also muggirlo okadu manchodu aite..migatha iddaru bhayaadipoyi vaallu kuda maariporu....migatha iddaru kalisi veedini lepestaru sure gaa....obvious gaa 66% majority prevails over 33% kadha...so manchodini lepestaru

[keko__keka]

[quote author=govardhan link=topic=84195.msg891155#msg891155 date=1280011342]
and also muggirlo okadu manchodu aite..migatha iddaru bhayaadipoyi vaallu kuda maariporu....migatha iddaru kalisi veedini lepestaru sure gaa....obvious gaa 66% majority prevails over 33% kadha...so manchodini lepestaru
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hmm....idee coreste  Dr@w@ Dr@w@

[govardhan]

[quote author=keko__keka link=topic=84195.msg891152#msg891152 date=1280011277]
hmm..political opppnonents madhya aa agreemtne kastam.....nenu first ante ......nenu first dochukovali ani.......racha sestar........similar..ex........KA lo kumarsami gadu cm annadu....theera bjp turn vache sariki.........MG annadu  sAng_banghead2 sAng_banghead2
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if given a chance andaru anni chestaru mama...KA di just a small example...but imagine......kuppam lo chandra babu ye gelustadu eppudoo...so akkada opponent ki geliche chance ye ledhu.....kadapa lo YS family ye gelustundi akkada TDP geliche chance ye ledhu...if ths system comes into place, TDP and congress both can suck money from both the constituencies kadha

[krldr871]

[quote author=govardhan link=topic=84195.msg891145#msg891145 date=1280011038]
150-200  emi kharma mama...naku telisina vallu kuda chala mandi politrics loki vacaru...party peru endukule kani...vaallu vachindi yr antha edva kashtalu padi 200k sampadinch...malli andulo taxes pogottukodam deniki...hayiga AC room lo kaalu meedha kaalu vesi 500k sampadiddam ani... sSc_hiding2 sSc_hiding2

and nuvvvu cheppina proportional rajeekayam gurinchi vaste, 25% votes chaalu anukunte....election waste, major parties will come to a mutual agreement as to aquire the minimum % of votes for each of those parties....andaru kalisi dochukundamante, ye party kadantundi? sCo_hmmthink sCo_hmmthink
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ila alochinchu baa..25 anedi example ga cheppa..25 is too high emo naku telidu..ivala avg ga 30-35% votes vaste gelustaaru..dani meaning enti ante 65% electorate lo 35% matrame vaadu kavali ankunnaru..migitha half vaddu ankunnaru kadha..kani maximum votes vachayi vadiki..so vaadu MLA ayyadu..
proportional system teeskunte, oka minimum cut off pettav anuko..lets say dynamic ga depending on the number of votes polled..lets say 65 % votes poll ayayyi, so 15% and above vaste represent cheyachu ani rule anuko..appudu LSP lanti parties ki chance untadi..chala mandi middle class educated vaallu,  candidate gelavadu ani vote veyyaru manchi party ki..because they want to be on winning side..mostly congress tdp ke kadha, lsp manchidi aina kani i hate tdp so let me vote for congress ankuntaru..kani ee system lo 15 % vaste chalu ani telusu, and vere valla kant eekkuva ravakkarledu..okkade gelavadu..so mana vote vaalla oka candidate gelupu otami adharapadutundi ani kakunda gradual ga, manaki nachinattu vote veddam ane opinion ki janalu raavchu..of course manchi campaigning chesi idantha ardham avali anuko..i think it is possible..and marginal vote importance thaggutundi, so parties kharchupettadam kuda thaggutayi..

[krldr871]

[quote author=govardhan link=topic=84195.msg891155#msg891155 date=1280011342]
and also muggirlo okadu manchodu aite..migatha iddaru bhayaadipoyi vaallu kuda maariporu....migatha iddaru kalisi veedini lepestaru sure gaa....obvious gaa 66% majority prevails over 33% kadha...so manchodini lepestaru
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ala prati chota jaragadhu baa..ala ayite election odipoyina vaadu opponent ni enduku champatledu..nuvvu chepinadi antha easy ga jaragadhu.. panel of 3 represent chestaru ante, in principle it could be some thng like dividing the constituency in to smaller parts..okate constituency lo different sections lo different levels lo development jarigite, vaallaki vere daari undadu kadha..or at least people will realize whos really useful and whos not..nuvvu chepedi jaragachemo kani chala thakkuva cases lo..ala addam vachina vaadini champukuntu poleru..not tht easy

[govardhan]

[quote author=krldr871 link=topic=84195.msg891164#msg891164 date=1280011536]
ila alochinchu baa..25 anedi example ga cheppa..25 is too high emo naku telidu..ivala avg ga 30-35% votes vaste gelustaaru..dani meaning enti ante 65% electorate lo 35% matrame vaadu kavali ankunnaru..migitha half vaddu ankunnaru kadha..kani maximum votes vachayi vadiki..so vaadu MLA ayyadu..
proportional system teeskunte, oka minimum cut off pettav anuko..lets say dynamic ga depending on the number of votes polled..lets say 65 % votes poll ayayyi, so 15% and above vaste represent cheyachu ani rule anuko..appudu LSP lanti parties ki chance untadi..chala mandi middle class educated vaallu,  candidate gelavadu ani vote veyyaru manchi party ki..because they want to be on winning side..mostly congress tdp ke kadha, lsp manchidi aina kani i hate tdp so let me vote for congress ankuntaru..kani ee system lo 15 % vaste chalu ani telusu, and vere valla kant eekkuva ravakkarledu..okkade gelavadu..so mana vote vaalla oka candidate gelupu otami adharapadutundi ani kakunda gradual ga, manaki nachinattu vote veddam ane opinion ki janalu raavchu..of course manchi campaigning chesi idantha ardham avali anuko..i think it is possible..and marginal vote importance thaggutundi, so parties kharchupettadam kuda thaggutayi..
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party kharchupettadam correst ye mama...but appudu politics inka chetta laaga tayaravutayi ani naa uddesam...suppose nuvvu cheppinatte 65% voting namodu ayyindi anuo....and we require 20% for  representation, example ga khairatabad constituency ne teesuko....akkkada PJR family vaallaki easy gaa 20% vachestundi..but they might come to an agreement with any other politicl party for them to aquire 20% or more also. ...idantha penta penta antunnavu

and coming to LSP...and people wanting to be on winnin side....ilanti ideology unte inka politics lo vaallu waste ane mama....JP ki kukatpally lo gelustadu ani evaraina raasi ichara? its just that people voted for him and he won...obviously chiru also thouht he would win from his own constituency....anduke nilabaddadu..but peole did not vote..thats y he did not win...its as simple as that.

[govardhan]

[quote author=krldr871 link=topic=84195.msg891171#msg891171 date=1280011732]
ala prati chota jaragadhu baa..ala ayite election odipoyina vaadu opponent ni enduku champatledu..nuvvu chepinadi antha easy ga jaragadhu.. panel of 3 represent chestaru ante, in principle it could be some thng like dividing the constituency in to smaller parts..okate constituency lo different sections lo different levels lo development jarigite, vaallaki vere daari undadu kadha..or at least people will realize whos really useful and whos not..nuvvu chepedi jaragachemo kani chala thakkuva cases lo..ala addam vachina vaadini champukuntu poleru..not tht easy
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odipoina vadu is a weaker person...and gelichina vadu is a stronger person....and iddare unte aa constituency lo.....competetion tough untundi...and bala balalu kuda almost samanam gane unde chances ekkuva...bu when u r talking abt 2 people vs one single person, bala balalu equal ga undagalava cheppu nuve

[krldr871]

[quote author=govardhan link=topic=84195.msg891174#msg891174 date=1280011889]
party kharchupettadam correst ye mama...but appudu politics inka chetta laaga tayaravutayi ani naa uddesam...suppose nuvvu cheppinatte 65% voting namodu ayyindi anuo....and we require 20% for  representation, example ga khairatabad constituency ne teesuko....akkkada PJR family vaallaki easy gaa 20% vachestundi..but they might come to an agreement with any other politicl party for them to aquire 20% or more also. ...idantha penta penta antunnavu

and coming to LSP...and people wanting to be on winnin side....ilanti ideology unte inka politics lo vaallu waste ane mama....JP ki kukatpally lo gelustadu ani evaraina raasi ichara? its just that people voted for him and he won...obviously chiru also thouht he would win from his own constituency....anduke nilabaddadu..but peole did not vote..thats y he did not win...its as simple as that.
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agreement with political party anedhi antha easy kadhu..mana society enthaga divide ayyi untado telusu kadha..u never know wht is gng to happen in an election..em agreement cheskogaltaaru..evaru gelustaro evariki telinappudu, agreements em untayi baa..
and nuvvu cheppina logic prakaram, gelichina vadu odipoyina vaadini eliminate cheste nxt election ki poti undadhu kadha..kani the point is, politicians ane vallu chala mandi manchi manushulu untaru..manchi ante na uddesam lo, mari factionists, killers rowdies ee kadu..because they spend 5 crore for an election, they have to grab people's money to make sure tht they win the nxt election..and so on the cycle continues..of course 5 crore kharchu petti 15 crore dochukuntaru..kani trust me there are many people in traditional political parties who have the intention to do good but are stuck in this loop..the only way to break this is, reduce the cost of marginal vote..marginal vote should not prove costly in an election..

[govardhan]

[quote author=krldr871 link=topic=84195.msg891197#msg891197 date=1280012533]
agreement with political party anedhi antha easy kadhu..mana society enthaga divide ayyi untado telusu kadha..u never know wht is gng to happen in an election..em agreement cheskogaltaaru..evaru gelustaro evariki telinappudu, agreements em untayi baa..
and nuvvu cheppina logic prakaram, gelichina vadu odipoyina vaadini eliminate cheste nxt election ki poti undadhu kadha..kani the point is, politicians ane vallu chala mandi manchi manushulu untaru..manchi ante na uddesam lo, mari factionists, killers rowdies ee kadu..because they spend 5 crore for an election, they have to grab people's money to make sure tht they win the nxt election..and so on the cycle continues..of course 5 crore kharchu petti 15 crore dochukuntaru..kani trust me there are many people in traditional political parties who have the intention to do good but are stuck in this loop..the only way to break this is, reduce the cost of marginal vote..marginal vote should not prove costly in an election..
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election lo votes vachina vaade gelichinattu....votes raani vadu odipoyinattu...ide prajala teerpu...we should not be worried abt the equal representation......votes padataniki, votes padakapotaniki chala reasons untayi.....example ga teesuko...65% votes namodu aithe...andulo congress ki 35%, tdp ki 25% and LSp ki 10% vachayi anuko...u might say, congess ki 35% vachayani choodakandi...see how many people dont want them.....the same thing is with LSP....vaallaki takkuva votes vachayanta..obviously inka ekkuva mandiki vaallu istam leru ane kadha...ledhu TDp ki veyyatam istam lekane oka 10% LSP voters congress ki vesaru antava? its bull shit....nizangane Lsp ante istam unte, vote for LSp and aa 10% ye LSP ki vaste their vote bank becomes 20%. MAjority vachinda sare sari...raaledoo, they dont deserve it ani anthe

istam aa aistama anedi prajalu voe meedha chooputaru.....so every politcal party has to oblige to it. and ela votes vestunnaru anedi entirely different situation.....i think we r not talking abt that

[krldr871]

[quote author=govardhan link=topic=84195.msg891210#msg891210 date=1280012875]
election lo votes vachina vaade gelichinattu....votes raani vadu odipoyinattu...ide prajala teerpu...we should not be worried abt the equal representation......votes padataniki, votes padakapotaniki chala reasons untayi.....example ga teesuko...65% votes namodu aithe...andulo congress ki 35%, tdp ki 25% and LSp ki 10% vachayi anuko...u might say, congess ki 35% vachayani choodakandi...see how many people dont want them.....the same thing is with LSP....vaallaki takkuva votes vachayanta..obviously inka ekkuva mandiki vaallu istam leru ane kadha...ledhu TDp ki veyyatam istam lekane oka 10% LSP voters congress ki vesaru antava? its bull shit....nizangane Lsp ante istam unte, vote for LSp and aa 10% ye LSP ki vaste their vote bank becomes 20%. MAjority vachinda sare sari...raaledoo, they dont deserve it ani anthe

istam aa aistama anedi prajalu voe meedha chooputaru.....so every politcal party has to oblige to it. and ela votes vestunnaru anedi entirely different situation.....i think we r not talking abt that
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nuvvu oka chinna logic miss ayitnav..elections anevi evado gelavadaniki kadu jananni represent cheyadaniki..the whole point of having a democratic system is to have the majority people represented..100 electorate lo 51 mandi support chestunaru ante adi correct option aa..49 mandi cheyatledu kada..and vere vadini 49 mandi support chestunaru..theda oka vote ee mari..and konni constituencies lo 50% kuda undadu voting, so 50% of them dont care abt voting some one..in tht case if some one gets 20% and if he is the winner, 20% vachina vadu MLA avadam enti..neku blunder anipiyatledaa..election ante anthe vote vachina vadu gelustadu anedhi correct kadu baa..because elections anevi political parties kosam kadu kadha..janam kosam..manalni represent cheyadam kosam elections..so nenu chepinattu proportional system ayite, 25 20 20 mugguriki vasthe, 3 of them represent the constituency..65% of people's consent is taken in to account which is what democracy is all about.. janala opinion ni side line cheyatled ikkada..normal case lo adhe jarugutondi..and more over because of the marginal vote, people r not realizing the value of vote and they r not voting for the party that they believe is good..instead they want to be on winning side..nuvvu ee argument tho oppukuntavo ledo telidu kani JP mothukunnadu deeni gurinchi(ee gelichevadike vote..vote waste avadam gurinchi)..nenu personal ga chaala mandini kalisanu, chala mandi idhe sollu..idhi kadu idhi ani chepte kuda, adedo personal offence ga teeskuni na vote na ishtam antaru..worst part is most of them say, lsp is good, but they dont win any way..JP wont become the CM anyway..

[govardhan]

[quote author=krldr871 link=topic=84195.msg891228#msg891228 date=1280013404]
nuvvu oka chinna logic miss ayitnav..elections anevi evado gelavadaniki kadu jananni represent cheyadaniki..the whole point of having a democratic system is to have the majority people represented..100 electorate lo 51 mandi support chestunaru ante adi correct option aa..49 mandi cheyatledu kada..and vere vadini 49 mandi support chestunaru..theda oka vote ee mari..and konni constituencies lo 50% kuda undadu voting, so 50% of them dont care abt voting some one..in tht case if some one gets 20% and if he is the winner, 20% vachina vadu MLA avadam enti..neku blunder anipiyatledaa..election ante anthe vote vachina vadu gelustadu anedhi correct kadu baa..because elections anevi political parties kosam kadu kadha..janam kosam..manalni represent cheyadam kosam elections..so nenu chepinattu proportional system ayite, 25 20 20 mugguriki vasthe, 3 of them represent the constituency..65% of people's consent is taken in to account which is what democracy is all about.. janala opinion ni side line cheyatled ikkada..normal case lo adhe jarugutondi..and more over because of the marginal vote, people r not realizing the value of vote and they r not voting for the party that they believe is good..instead they want to be on winning side..nuvvu ee argument tho oppukuntavo ledo telidu kani JP mothukunnadu deeni gurinchi(ee gelichevadike vote..vote waste avadam gurinchi)..nenu personal ga chaala mandini kalisanu, chala mandi idhe sollu..idhi kadu idhi ani chepte kuda, adedo personal offence ga teeskuni na vote na ishtam antaru..worst part is most of them say, lsp is good, but they dont win any way..JP wont become the CM anyway..
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nuvve cheppavu kadha...whole point is to have majority of people reperesented ani.....manaki jarigedi ade kadha mari.....51% tho gelichinavadu is still in majority compared to 49%....so thats it.....y the hell should anyone bother abt peole who dont even care to vote......voting is every citizens responsibility...adn if dude to some resons, voting jaragatledhu ante.....litee...vaalani bratimaali votes veyinchalsina avsaram ledhu....we need not give them bumper offers and market them into casting their votes.

[krldr871]

[quote author=govardhan link=topic=84195.msg891319#msg891319 date=1280014851]
nuvve cheppavu kadha...whole point is to have majority of people reperesented ani.....manaki jarigedi ade kadha mari.....51% tho gelichinavadu is still in majority compared to 49%....so thats it.....y the hell should anyone bother abt peole who dont even care to vote......voting is every citizens responsibility...adn if dude to some resons, voting jaragatledhu ante.....litee...vaalani bratimaali votes veyinchalsina avsaram ledhu....we need not give them bumper offers and market them into casting their votes.
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true..i agree on tht point that if people dnt care abt voting, their opinion need nt be considered..kani nuvvu cheppina 51 49 logic is wrong..majority ante literal sense lo kadhu kadha..70% voting lo 20 20 20 10 vachindi anuko 4 candidates ki..3 candidates represent cheste it makes more sense because we r representing 60 of 70% voter turn out..idhi majority ante anukovachu..kani 51 49 49 48 cannot really be called majority..anduke aa okati rendu votes valla theda padtundi kabatte, ee freebies sops dabbulu saara..adhe andarini represent chestaru ante vaati effect antha la undadu anedi na logic..idhi na logic mama..entha mandi represent cheyali or entha threshold undali anedi purely technical issue..naku antha idea ledhu..kani i for sure know that this sort of system is being implemented in some parts of the world and it works there..tht does not guarantee success in india but still worth a try ani na feeling..of course idantha evadu oppukodu le..constitutional changes or bill pass cheyadam edokati kavali..so lite kani jus thoughts anthe..