Finally a sensible news anchor !

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8 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

Interesting...but why do intelligent brains make the fundamental mistake ? 

You compare USA or developed world with a developing country such as India ? 

India lo national highway meeda vellevadu toll enduku kattalante, adi oka service...and they have to pay. However, they have another option of using interior service roads which they can use free of cost. 

pedavadu ledu, sc st minority ledu...ila vunna paisal anni public infra kosam spend chesthe inkemi migulutadi chippa thappa ? and in countries like India where administration and governance is so robust, it cannot built and maintain roads...it should be privatised..and thats what happening. 

come on guys, you are comparing developed western world with developing country such as India where the population is 1.3 billion sqeezed in a relatively smaller area and still has 300 million poor people...also one needs to remember, almost 400 million people have moved up the poverty levels in the last 20 years...and it still takes another 15-20 years to eradicate poverty to 90% levels...then suggessions by inteeligent brains like tolls etc will be seriously considered but untill then, get ready to pay for more and more services or settle with inferior service for free.

discussion ni thappu daari pattinchaku. lol.

or you are trying to cover up for the failures of capitalism that you support, by saying that its a payable service.  

 

[Android_Halwa]

3 minutes ago, tom bhayya said:

lol nuvvu cheppedhi ela undhi antey people have to suffer and its a norm and people dont deserve it because they are from india and not from a developed country

Nenu chepindi endi ante, puli ni chusi nakka vathalu petukunatu vundi ani...

its not about deserving or anything, India cannot or yet afford so many things like the western world do and Indian priorities are much different than western world's present need. 

People don't have to suffer. If they cannot pay toll , there is an alternative of service road...May be you don't have an idea how this system works but every toll road has a interior service road which can be used by anyone by paying nothing. and moreover two wheelers are not allowed on toll ways and on some toll ways where two wheelers are allowed, they are not charged in fact in whole of India, two wheelers do not have to pay tolls. 

Did you understand the point ? or...is it still like sc,st and minorities and poor people should suffer blah blah...

[Android_Halwa]

Just now, uttermost said:

discussion ni thappu daari pattinchaku. lol.

or you are trying to cover up for the failures of capitalism that you support, by saying that its a payable service.  

 

Yes...trying to cover up the socialist and capitalist failures since the last 70 years...

socialist era...we looked at USSR and thought that was the best model until it went burst in the late 80's...

then adopted the capitalist era...Looking at western world and MNC companies...think going good at the moment but it will also get burst sooner or later...

Its time Indians needs to look at India and design a model or else, there is only one system which is absolute monarchy left, like going back in time...

[Android_Halwa]

7 minutes ago, uttermost said:

The past decade, most Toronto GTA expressways were PPP. No, its not to discourage using own transportation, but because all governing bodies are running deficits because of increase in welfare recipients. Its the same story all over the world. 

Infra spending comes from govt backed loans. That's the economic model of the 21st century. Ika nundi US lo kooda new highways antha same PPP follow avthaaru choosko. Already Mr. (small govt) Trump has talked about it.

 

Exactly, that the problem. Very few forecasters have estimated the rise in multi fold welfare bill...

some of the countries in europe are now facing severe financial crunch because of these wlefare schemes...and ageing population.

Thinking about the future, there is now way govt will spend on infra anymore. You use it, you pay for it...and the way infra costs have been rising, only solution is PPP model..

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1 minute ago, Android_Halwa said:

Yes...trying to cover up the socialist and capitalist failures since the last 70 years...

socialist era...we looked at USSR and thought that was the best model until it went burst in the late 80's...

then adopted the capitalist era...Looking at western world and MNC companies...think going good at the moment but it will also get burst sooner or later...

Its time Indians needs to look at India and design a model or else, there is only one system which is absolute monarchy left, like going back in time...

the question of 'ownership' is the most important question in human interactions relating to trade. Its a very hard problem to solve even theoretically. Bitcoin tried to solve it, but its a joke now, because humans are essentially untameable.

capitalism, socialism, nothing works. Its important to keep that in mind, and talk only about practical solutions, and accept when our 'ism is wrong.

anyway I was responding to tomb's comment that infra gets the least attention, when it gets the most - just not through the budget and direct govt coffers. its also the reason for overwhelming increase in welfare recipients in society. both in India and in 'developed' world. There's not much difference as you claim.

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9 minutes ago, uttermost said:

The past decade, most Toronto GTA expressways were PPP. No, its not to discourage using own transportation, but because all governing bodies are running deficits because of increase in welfare recipients. Its the same story all over the world. 

Infra spending comes from govt backed loans. That's the economic model of the 21st century. Ika nundi US lo kooda new highways antha same PPP follow avthaaru choosko. Already Mr. (small govt) Trump has talked about it.

 

lol canada gives you free healthcare which is the best in america continent, now you are comparing with a capitalist country 

[Staysafebro]

Sensible my foot, biased bitch more like.

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1 minute ago, tom bhayya said:

lol canada gives you free healthcare which is the best in america continent, now you are comparing with a capitalist country 

yeah. okay. Canada is still a capitalist country, that leaves in its wake a ton of welfare recipients (apart from healthcare).

basically a lot of people's lives are ripped apart because the world is connected, and we get everything at the tip of our fingers. Canada is part of that system, no? It doesnt matter if we get healthcare or not.

It is the price to pay for the 'efficiency' of capitalism - which is short hand for the bullying nature of capitalism. nothing else.

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2 minutes ago, Staysafebro said:

Sensible my foot, biased bitch more like.

why, man? she gave you guys a free pass by asking not to talkk about religion no?

now liberals and hindutva vaadis can be asked to shut up, as if both are saying the same kind of nasty religious stuff, that are actually harmful.

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Yes.. Capitalism (as it is practised now) will push a significant part of the current middle class into welfare recipient status. It is inevitable.

[Staysafebro]

10 minutes ago, uttermost said:

why, man? she gave you guys a free pass by asking not to talkk about religion no?

now liberals and hindutva vaadis can be asked to shut up, as if both are saying the same kind of nasty religious stuff, that are actually harmful.

It is a veiled attack on the government and nothing more. Why should people stop discussing religion? It is an issue in India. Who is she to preach us about what our priorities should be? 

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Personally, I propose all land be confiscated by commons (you guys call it local govt), and allow people to build their houses at specified locations.

and lease land/building for industrial purposes for a period of 10yrs (non-transferable).

Simply, no one should be allowed to hold land. any land. 

There's the problem of land development being commonised, may not be to the standard of private developers. That's a problem that deserves some thought into how it can be solved.

 

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1 minute ago, Staysafebro said:

It is a veiled attack on the government and nothing more. Why should people stop discussing religion? It is an issue in India. Who is she to preach us about what our priorities should be? 

she's an entitled middle class moron, and doesn't understand the society beyond her little circle.

[uttermost]

1 minute ago, uttermost said:

Personally, I propose all land be confiscated by commons (you guys call it local govt), and allow people to build their houses at specified locations.

and lease land/building for industrial purposes for a period of 10yrs (non-transferable).

Simply, no one should be allowed to hold land. any land. 

There's the problem of land development being commonised, may not be to the standard of private developers. That's a problem that deserves some thought into how it can be solved.

 

There's also a problem of commons claiming resource rich land. lol.

Human problems are very hard to solve.

so we 'winners' should just be lucky that we were born in the right family, and live at the right time, so we could enjoy comforts that 90% of humans on earth couldn't.

lol @ the anchor.

[uttermost]

Take away real estate, mass entertainment bullshit, commodity trading, and 99% of trash in the economy goes.

Then humans can set their targets higher, liike space travel, because more humans would be free to work on that.