In reversal, Trump signs order stopping family Seperation

[Android_Halwa]

6 minutes ago, uttermost said:

malli same paata paadaku ra babu. they don't want to solve the problem. Even Trump doesn't want to. He just wants people like you to believe he wants to.

nuvvu politicians tho undi nerchukunindhi idhey na?

blame for parents aa? they are escaping gang wars, and instability in their home lands (gautemala, el salvador) where US poked their nose for its benefit until the 1980s. Do you think wanting to get children to a safer place, even if somewhat hostile is irresponsible. Again, remember, they are turning up at the border patrol office and asking to be let in through proper procedure.

what did I question about you and your family? I said that you are making loose assertions of how its okay for the kids to be separated from parents, and it may not be a good idea for you to have kids. whats wrong with that, if you are so hands off as a parent?

As for me, if I was escaping persecution back home, I'll take my kids anywhere, suffer any form of insult and hardship to keep them safe. but remember 'keep them safe' is the operative word. Not give up my kids to potential pedophiles at the border.

you have no idea what you are even arguing about. just stop.

abha setu, nenu cheptutundi kuda ade kada mari...

you are hanging around the tail...ever since world war-2 ended, USA chesina daridralu antha intha kaadu...and this is going to be the situation for another 5 decades atleast, till there is another super power block, USA will do things like these and no one to stop it...

escaping the gang wars...poverty...political turmoil etc....yeah, have happened and so is the mess..everyone turned up at the border....but going further, its useless to turn up at the border, thanks to zero tolerance on immigration...things are changing and laws are changing...people should also understand that USA is no more the land of free but its a modern slavery nation...

You probably will have the best courage to take care of your kids and you may suffer any form insult or hardship to keep them safe, but the question is when you know that turning up at the border is not the solution, would you still turn up at the border ? 

You still not able to understand my point...I'm not looking at past but looking into future, as this concept of asylum is going to get worse and a severe humanitarian crisis will arise if people don't stop flocking to the borders..

[uttermost]

see even @dasara_bullodu thinks its a horror.

I take back everything I said about him, ever.

[Android_Halwa]

9 minutes ago, uttermost said:

you don't see what Trump has to do with it? This policy was implemented only since the last 3 months, and he's out there lying that its the law of the land and that's how its been all the time (just like you lied few posts before).

Parents are taking care of their kids by trying to emigrate from areas that are unliveable, man. malli malli adhey cheppaku.

Its not the law to hold kids in separate detention centers. Even Trump has gone back on it, so what you are you even defending? your petty little ego?

no, you are trying to pretend you are smart by taking a contrary position to normal ones. nothing more.

either that, or you are a full blown psycho with no empathy.

 

Even if this is made into a law, It will be turned down soon...that's what I said...no lawmaker or country abiding by laws will honour such a law...it will be turned down and indeed it has...

if not today, in the days to come this law would have turned down...Yes, almost 2000 kids have been separated from parents..but atleat this will be an eye opener for parents too...

May be you are not aware of things but, in most of the cross border illegal immigration and asylum cases, Kids have been used to benefit from the laws...Now, Don't say you don't know about these things...then I would suggest you to read articles about how cross border illegal immigration takes place.

Remember, its not USA-Canada border, Its USA-Mexico border.

[Android_Halwa]

2 minutes ago, uttermost said:

see even @dasara_bullodu thinks its a horror.

I take back everything I said about him, ever.

who is talking about horror here ? 

 

[uttermost]

2 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

abha setu, nenu cheptutundi kuda ade kada mari...

you are hanging around the tail...ever since world war-2 ended, USA chesina daridralu antha intha kaadu...and this is going to be the situation for another 5 decades atleast, till there is another super power block, USA will do things like these and no one to stop it...

escaping the gang wars...poverty...political turmoil etc....yeah, have happened and so is the mess..everyone turned up at the border....but going further, its useless to turn up at the border, thanks to zero tolerance on immigration...things are changing and laws are changing...people should also understand that USA is no more the land of free but its a modern slavery nation...

You probably will have the best courage to take care of your kids and you may suffer any form insult or hardship to keep them safe, but the question is when you know that turning up at the border is not the solution, would you still turn up at the border ? 

You still not able to understand my point...I'm not looking at past but looking into future, as this concept of asylum is going to get worse and a severe humanitarian crisis will arise if people don't stop flocking to the borders..

 

you are now claiming that you support Trump because you think US is sh1t, and deserves to be called out for its shitbaggery. and that Trump is exposing what a horrible country US is, right?

dude, let me  reframe what you are trying to claim with that last para. You are trying to claim that blocking people at the borders, or putting some sort of deterrence in form of separating families will somehow solve an impending humanitarian crisis?

does that even make any sense?

[uttermost]

3 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

Even if this is made into a law, It will be turned down soon...that's what I said...no lawmaker or country abiding by laws will honour such a law...it will be turned down and indeed it has...

if not today, in the days to come this law would have turned down...Yes, almost 2000 kids have been separated from parents..but atleat this will be an eye opener for parents too...

May be you are not aware of things but, in most of the cross border illegal immigration and asylum cases, Kids have been used to benefit from the laws...Now, Don't say you don't know about these things...then I would suggest you to read articles about how cross border illegal immigration takes place.

Remember, its not USA-Canada border, Its USA-Mexico border.

you are continually expanding the scope of this discussion into idiotic places that have nothing to do with your original enthusiastic support for the law.

If I have to read between the lines of what you say, because you are being incredibly opaque about what you are saying.. I think you are saying that the Trump policy is sort of a psyop on parents, warning them that turning up at US border means having your kids taken away from you.

and that it is going to make less people turn up at the border. right? I've already addressed this sh1t argument.

Its not about what parents who bring their kids should fear or not fear.They are already crossing very dangerous terrain and local gangs to get to the border. Its not like they are landing on a flight and a detention center is just a lobby for the US.

Its about what policies locals should support or not support. The more local support these kind of policies and treat them as normal, the more psychotic the society gets.

Given Trump has overturned it, based on backlash, what are you arguing about? that the original policy is still correct because its a clever ploy to get the message across? Do you know how that sounds? Like a fcuking game, you are watching, and pretending to understand all the tactics.

may be you should think about dialing down your ego a little bit, and accept that your understanding of the world, or its tactics is not really complete, and that its okay to react like a normal human being or a concerned parent when you hear things like these.

[uttermost]

Do you think white house is that efficient, playing bait and switch tactics on issues like this?

If it was, Obama could've easily stopped Trump from being elected, by meddlin with the election.

white house, like most institutions has no clue. and all those clever tactics you attribute to those people is just your own inner child enjoying the game that is unfolding. nothing more.

 

[uttermost]

Halwa,

may be I should tell how much I make, because most fcuks here think I'm some sort of cloth bag carrying communist type, crying viphlavam everywhere I go. lol.

if I did, I would lose the right to sh1t on people here. that's why I don't.

I want freedom for me, and freedom for all, and for people to make choices that are beneficial to them. Not for exploiting others, which is what you support in the name of practicality. all that politics is not helpful.

the term 'keeping my country safe' has no meaning, except to whip up people on side, and fill pockets of those who can make money out of it. nothing else.

Its not like I don't understand people or their motivations, but I respect and encourage ones that are humane as much as possible, and I've still made a lot of money, even when I was a ruthless anarchist capitalist (which means as bad as any other capitalist, except never applying for a loan, which is somewhat idiotic if you think about it).

[Android_Halwa]

31 minutes ago, uttermost said:

 

you are now claiming that you support Trump because you think US is sh1t, and deserves to be called out for its shitbaggery. and that Trump is exposing what a horrible country US is, right?

dude, let me  reframe what you are trying to claim with that last para. You are trying to claim that blocking people at the borders, or putting some sort of deterrence in form of separating families will somehow solve an impending humanitarian crisis?

does that even make any sense?

Okay, Let me put it this way...

Over the last few decades, lot of people travelled towards the border citing many reasons and they had an option of asylum or any other means to sneak into the country and have a life....subsequent crack down and measures have actually made things worst and creating a legal pathway for all the people, illegal immigrants is now a mammoth task and no President dares to legalise them citing many political reasons and I'm not here to discuss those reasons.

But of late, people do not have the option of crossing the border for better lives as the present regime is cracking down on illegal immigrants...its soverigninity that you need to respect, irrespective of trump or any other person in the chair...I know you have other concerns...but, you need to respect the laws of the land...

the govt has adopted a 'zero tolerance' that means no one is spared...yesh, there may be some glitches in the law and infact, no law is perfect...the present laws what we have are the refined versions or the actual laws which have been changed time by time as per the need and in a similar way, an executive order is released in this case too...

I do not still a proper reason for your outburst...you are thinking about kids and parents, I am thinking about sovereignty of a nation and its laws...

[Mithra]

3 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

Okay, Let me put it this way...

Over the last few decades, lot of people travelled towards the border citing many reasons and they had an option of asylum or any other means to sneak into the country and have a life....subsequent crack down and measures have actually made things worst and creating a legal pathway for all the people, illegal immigrants is now a mammoth task and no President dares to legalise them citing many political reasons and I'm not here to discuss those reasons.

But of late, people do not have the option of crossing the border for better lives as the present regime is cracking down on illegal immigrants...its soverigninity that you need to respect, irrespective of trump or any other person in the chair...I know you have other concerns...but, you need to respect the laws of the land...

the govt has adopted a 'zero tolerance' that means no one is spared...yesh, there may be some glitches in the law and infact, no law is perfect...the present laws what we have are the refined versions or the actual laws which have been changed time by time as per the need and in a similar way, an executive order is released in this case too...

I do not still a proper reason for your outburst...you are thinking about kids and parents, I am thinking about sovereignty of a nation and its laws...

ababba emana english ah mind blowing 

[uttermost]

2 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

Okay, Let me put it this way...

Over the last few decades, lot of people travelled towards the border citing many reasons and they had an option of asylum or any other means to sneak into the country and have a life....subsequent crack down and measures have actually made things worst and creating a legal pathway for all the people, illegal immigrants is now a mammoth task and no President dares to legalise them citing many political reasons and I'm not here to discuss those reasons.

But of late, people do not have the option of crossing the border for better lives as the present regime is cracking down on illegal immigrants...its soverigninity that you need to respect, irrespective of trump or any other person in the chair...I know you have other concerns...but, you need to respect the laws of the land...

the govt has adopted a 'zero tolerance' that means no one is spared...yesh, there may be some glitches in the law and infact, no law is perfect...the present laws what we have are the refined versions or the actual laws which have been changed time by time as per the need and in a similar way, an executive order is released in this case too...

I do not still a proper reason for your outburst...you are thinking about kids and parents, I am thinking about sovereignty of a nation and its laws...

lol. you never back down, but its not a thing to be proud of.

you are basically arguing without even understanding the issue, and are simply shifting goalposts to somehow eeke out a win.

I'm not going to claim victory or use this is shame you. Just stop, pls. stop poisoning a narrative with your  lame defense.

 

[Mithra]

@Android_Halwa neekenduku ra velli gajjesh ranting cheyi

[Android_Halwa]

coming to the border and seeking asylum is not an option anymore and people flocking to the border should realise this first...

since Trump came into power, he has been misusing his power and authority and every US department is behaving in their own way. I reminded of imperial japan of 1940's when I see present USA.

USCIS,DHS,Border PAtrol, etc are now bound by Presidential Orders ....They do not say anything but have given these departments more power and disperse individuals with discreting power and authority to crack down on anyone irrespective of anything if they deemed to break the law.

Poor people, they are not even been given a chance to appeal in the court of law. 

Draconian authority...I hate Trump to the peaks with the way hehas been misusing his power. He cannot go through the congress way to amend things and hence, utilising the agencies to achieve his mad goal.

None in this nation have guts to take against this guy....its so horrible that there is nothing like privacy exists anymore in a country which is famed for individual freedom.

 

[Mithra]

1 minute ago, uttermost said:

lol. you never back down, but its not a thing to be proud of.

you are basically arguing without even understanding the issue, and are simply shifting goalposts to somehow eeke out a win.

I'm not going to claim victory or use this is shame you. Just stop, pls. stop poisoning a narrative with your  lame defense.

 

aadi sangathi telisinde kada.. kodi dhimak esukuni cheppinde cheptu untadu.. malla hero lekka feel avutu untadu fakeer gaadu

[uttermost]

4 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

Okay, Let me put it this way...

Over the last few decades, lot of people travelled towards the border citing many reasons and they had an option of asylum or any other means to sneak into the country and have a life....subsequent crack down and measures have actually made things worst and creating a legal pathway for all the people, illegal immigrants is now a mammoth task and no President dares to legalise them citing many political reasons and I'm not here to discuss those reasons.

But of late, people do not have the option of crossing the border for better lives as the present regime is cracking down on illegal immigrants...its soverigninity that you need to respect, irrespective of trump or any other person in the chair...I know you have other concerns...but, you need to respect the laws of the land...

the govt has adopted a 'zero tolerance' that means no one is spared...yesh, there may be some glitches in the law and infact, no law is perfect...the present laws what we have are the refined versions or the actual laws which have been changed time by time as per the need and in a similar way, an executive order is released in this case too...

I do not still a proper reason for your outburst...you are thinking about kids and parents, I am thinking about sovereignty of a nation and its laws...

putting kids separate from parents is the one thing we're talking about here.

'sovereignty' is not in any danger if they are not separated.