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[KHALLAS]

32 minutes ago, uttermost said:

lol. again same mythbuilding around PVNR.

pls read his part biographical memoir 'The Insider", and if he comes across as anything other than a staunch socialist (not in the classic european sense of the word, but the loose way Americans use that word), then demand that your school pay back the money you spent on your education

India basically asked IMF for money, and transferred gold as guarantee for it, and in exchange IMF forced India to pass all those 'reforms'.

PVNR was a huge statesman, and a remarkable PM, sure.. but he was not in favour of reforms. He was forced into it. But like the good workhorse he is, he put his personal preferences aside, and did what was required then.

Also remember, 1991 itself is overrated. the process for economic reforms started in the 80s itself. 1991 was a flashpoint because there was a lot of drama around sovereign debt default. and PVNR signed a few subsidies and licenses into oblivion.

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All those who claim Congress was this and that.. PVNR is a congressi, through and through. dont let your muslim hatred blind you to the facts. Congress was pro Hindu until the 90s, which is why it was elected, just like BJP is now.  Even now Congress is pro Hindu, but has stopped engaging in riots to win elections. koncham manushul laaga post comment. try. lol.

A honest discussion on how the country's economy should be will have to include if India should remain to be one huge market. haha.. ofcourse you guys never want to take a discussion to its logical end (towards liberty - both personal and political), because you are insecure of what you may have to concede. Yes, you have to concede that your country is infeasible. It was infeasible in 1947, in 1991, and will remain so, either with reforms or without reforms.

PVNR is awesome, but is not a reformer. He himself agrees with that.

 

Adding to Your point. When Gulf war happened crude reserves went down to three day limit in country. Unfortunately Indian foreign reserves went down to 1.2 billion USD. So they have to take measures Like exchanging gold reserve to Foreign Exchange Reserve. And the next prime minister was PVNR. The same gold which was under mortgage was bought back by India under Manmohan singh, When china was eager to buy it in auction. PV was the person who initiated three oil reserve caves to face crude curse. 

[KHALLAS]

37 minutes ago, uttermost said:

how's he a scapegoat? what do you expect Congress to do? to paint his image in the sky for their 200yr anniversary as Congress' best PM?

but he was not congress' best PM. It definitely is Nehru.

without Nehru, India would have disintegrated long long back.

India's best PM was also Nehru.

PVNR was adequately respected man. Lets not focus on nitty gritties, when we are defending the strongman politics of Jayalalitha, KCR etc, just when we are at the receiving end of such politics. what happened to PVNR is normal in Indian politics.

90s kids like me remember him through description of their teachers. One particular teacher told us that Rajiv Gandhi was all bustle about him doing this and that, PVNR quietly accomplishes the needful without any hungama. Ofcourse the above teacher was a Sanghi. and PVNR himself was one too.

Exactly... Nehru laid the path for  current India , depending on the resources available that day. Else India would suffer more than pakis. After reading this people would not agree, but that is the truth. Yes even in our school one teacher who was around 70-80 years at that time( 2000) used to teach us some moral stories and he used to say all these things. 

[Vaampire]

Yes. He is the best pm india ever had in my opinion

[srdh21]

6 hours ago, kingcasanova said:

nenu vinna stories prakaram, appatlo PV becamed PM due to the fear of Sonia gandhi about the power politics, the immediate alternatives after demise of Rajiv were Pranab, arjun singh and tiwari, but sonia knows about what happens if any of those three are given PM kurchi. they will book immediately one flight ticket for her to italy and it will end her story there.

So the only alternative for her is PV who has similar political experience but not power hungry, so she has to go with him, as she did with manmohan in 2004, but PV is not manmohan, instead of going with congress agenda he went with what he and his team thought was good for economy and opened the gates.  For five years he didn't care anyone in congress ani talk. congress is always sanjala kompa, but chaalaa aanimuthyalu in our country are born out of it only example : patel, lal bahadur sastri, pv and manmohan.

nuvvu cheppinavanni absolutely correct except manmohan

MMS was made an FM even after PVNR did not accept it, WB and IMF forced PV to appoint MMS as FM,  MMS and Scams are synonyms, MMS started his era of scams starting from 1981 as RBI Governor, there are many scams under the nose of MMS not just his PM term

reforms credit anta MMS kottesaadu..avanni plan chesindi PV..PV did not let Anti India forces to take over india during our bad economic times..he has let only few areas to outside world.. IMF and WB wanted all areas to be opened up for foreign investment

[srdh21]

7 hours ago, ranku_mogudu said:

Is P.V really a scapegoat of KhaanGress Politics?

 

was he really the best Prime Minister India had??

he may be the best PM based on the situation of the country and the kind of decisions he tooks to protect india in spite of running a minority government

he has provided a template to other PM's how to run economy/government without succumbing to external/internal  pressures

Sonia used his cronies to target him in JMM Bribery scam/ St Kitt Forgery Scams... he has to spend his last days running behind courts..I wish Sonia sees the same fate now in National herald Scam.. karma does catch up

[Mokkapati656]

5 hours ago, ranku_mogudu said:

kaani lepinaa aa sonia ney malli tokkesindha?

 

Tdp LO position ichina pandamuri ntr ne nakka cheppulatho kottadu PV Sir Sonia ni thokadam oka lekkana?? 

[Android_Halwa]

8 hours ago, ranku_mogudu said:

Is P.V really a scapegoat of KhaanGress Politics?

 

was he really the best Prime Minister India had??

With actions and understanding the need, he pulled out millions out of poverty...since then, almost 400 million people have been moved out of poverty line. Can you imagine the 400 million number ? 

[uttermost]

1 hour ago, Android_Halwa said:

With actions and understanding the need, he pulled out millions out of poverty...since then, almost 400 million people have been moved out of poverty line. Can you imagine the 400 million number ? 

Wrong. Pvnr in fact pushed a lot of people into poverty by liberalizing the economy without sufficient skilled workforce 

It was Sonia Gandhi that  lifted that number of people out of poverty through policies decided by the extra constitutional nac she headed   and all of them were welfare policies.

Then you'll say we need money for that welfare. Yeah we do, we didn't have to liberalize the economy for that.

Pvnr himself was against reforms his entire political life, and he's right. There were several structural problems that prevents India from lifting people out of poverty, and they still exist.

 

[dasara_bullodu]

Db ki oke oka thatha ...

[uttermost]

Pvnr can be remembered as a statesman. As someone who kept the dignity of his office, unlike you know who.

He is not a reformer. And if anything was a bad influence on indian economy.

[uttermost]

Pvnr made the middle class richer. MMS made them crorepatis. Neither of them lifted people out of poverty. It was Sonia Gandhi that did.

In fact the current govt had reversed that trend, lol. Lifting people out of poverty through liberalization? What do you think, this is korea? Lol

Nothing of such sort happened . Few in the middle class became rich. That's all. That's not lifting people out of poverty.lol

[uttermost]

1 hour ago, srdh21 said:

he may be the best PM based on the situation of the country and the kind of decisions he tooks to protect india in spite of running a minority government

he has provided a template to other PM's how to run economy/government without succumbing to external/internal  pressures

Sonia used his cronies to target him in JMM Bribery scam/ St Kitt Forgery Scams... he has to spend his last days running behind courts..I wish Sonia sees the same fate now in National herald Scam.. karma does catch up

I agree with everything you say about pvnr, but why such attitude to sonia!?

Sonia if she had been pm, would have been remembered as India's greatest pm. No doubt. So what she hated pvnr and held a personal grudge. Big deal

[uttermost]

Your hatred for muslims, and christians is what stops you from truly embracing Sonia Gandhi as the biggest humanitarian leader India had ever seen.
She probably single handedly set Congres on a secular path and towards it's demise.

She underestimated how much of a strength call for Hindu unity is. Even people who benefitted from her policies voted against her.lol

And she's called names too. Haha..

[Android_Halwa]

9 minutes ago, uttermost said:

Pvnr made the middle class richer. MMS made them crorepatis. Neither of them lifted people out of poverty. It was Sonia Gandhi that did.

In fact the current govt had reversed that trend, lol. Lifting people out of poverty through liberalization? What do you think, this is korea? Lol

Nothing of such sort happened . Few in the middle class became rich. That's all. That's not lifting people out of poverty.lol

80's is the scene where people did not had clothes to wear properly, I'm, talking about everyday clothing. 90's are much better and 2000's, less than 5% of the population are deprived of basic clothing. late 80's,we can estimate the number to be atleast 30%. 

Yeah, you can credit Sonia Gandhi's NAC for all the developments but, indeed they started from 1991. It takes time for any legistlation to com einto effect and such government actions , results are seen a decade later. 

Sonia Gandhi's NAC started after 2004, by then FDI's already started flowing in and 2004 till recession was peak. Its the result of series of liberalisations India has went through since 1991. but took off around 1993-94...then followed the political instability of the late 90's untill 98-99 where stable govt could deliver a bit, economy started growing and comes the 2004 Era which promised much more stable and loberal govenrment which helped economy grow much faster...

Crediting just one person for such a mammoth task is silly...and it did not happen overnight...it took a while...good old 15 years for the things to take off. 

[Android_Halwa]

Hunger deaths were a common sight in 80's...late 90's, hunger death reports have come down considerably as govt could spend on welfare. 

Now, Do you think this is an indicator of people coming out of poverty ? My definition of poverty is irrespective of upper class hindus or favors dalits...