Reality Check on Brutal Lynchings: Must Watch Video

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53 minutes ago, batman2 said:

so thats exactly what i do

Choosko bujji.

Humans are born into the planet, and they have to find ways to thrive in the planet. Each generation has radically different ideas on how to organize itself. Religion used to be one tactic back in the day, then came several other tactics, including one of nation states, but none of these tactics are set in stone. None of them have achieved the individual need for dignity, need to thrive, etc.

These tactics are also not irrefutably blended into human nature, and even if centuries of tradition has numbed the social mindset into following only particular orders, they can and should be challenged. Including the notion that 'Everybody is equal' 'secularism'  - but only after they are tried, and become a sort of self serving tactic without any tangible use.

But, even then to go back to what ancestors said 2000yrs ago, 5000yrs ago, because they were so brilliant to say that first before anyone else is kind of childish. If anything, it makes the current gen look like fools, while the ancestors gave them a headstart, they are still stuck with 5000yrs ago bs.

Hindutva is just rehashing nonsense ancestors practised many centuries ago, in new capitalist form. Nothing more. As long as you support that kind of bullshit, what you seek is not justice, but merely power. Power to what end? because it is transient. What do you today, who you bother today, will bite your kind back tomorrow.

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And if you do seek power, what is the power for? Do you want fraternity among Hindus atleast, beyond token sharing of meals with dalits, but tolerating your uncle/father/aunt when  they talk bullshit about them?

Have you ever challenged uppercaste treatment of the lower castes? Or do you think ones with power are not accountable?

If you think it'll take a long time for such social change, and you want to wait until then, do you have time frame? will you accept defeat and start fighting Hindutva after that timeframe, if that fraternity doesn't transpire?

Frankly, is there atleast an ideological map to these goals in Hindutva? Lol.

you guys have degraded society to an extent that even people who were closet bigots earlier, are now openly bigoted. Does targeting muslims help build fraternity among Hindus? is there evidence for it?

Are there groups within Hindutva  fighting and holding the mainstream Hindutva accountable for their lack of ideas for dalits, beyond just electoral politics?

you ask yourself these questions, before you ask any questions of muslims.

 

 

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I'm an idiot. I know you guys don't want fraternity among Hindus. What you want is the uppercaste hegemonic status quo.

for you to be claiming that you are fighting muslims because they form networks and keep other people out, lol, have you done business with muslims? They are more generous than Hindus can ever hope to be. True fact.

[bala7]

9 hours ago, Sia said:

Horrible abba 

inka criminals ni defend chestunnaru ...shamelessly  

 

 

[batman2]

5 hours ago, uttermost said:

No.

For eg. you just had to counter Mitron's comment, with a slur 'Randi TV'. If he engages with you, you'll quickly get down to half dcik blah blah.. and then to terrorists.

what you do is deny your own group's privilege to cry on groups that are fighting against that privilege. When you are cornered to accept that your group is privileged, you declare that it is your group's divine right to exercise that privilege in a particular geographical area or some such sh1t.

you are the uppercaste casteist asshole I was talking of, who I said I'll fcuk. You don't get to pretend like you are some sort of justice seeker. 

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all the above is assuming I am prom previllaged caste who the fcuk are u  awarding me caste certificate. this actually shows ur previllaged attitude. the problem lies with in u

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1 minute ago, batman2 said:

@uttermost

all the above is assuming I am prom previllaged caste who the fcuk are u  awarding me caste certificate. this actually shows ur previllaged attitude. the problem lies with in u

lol. Ofcourse, you are privileged. If you had access to a laptop in the 00's, and the internet, you are privileged. Go cry elsewhere. Stop pretending like muslims are suppressing your freedom of speech. lol.

[batman2]

5 hours ago, uttermost said:

No.

For eg. you just had to counter Mitron's comment, with a slur 'Randi TV'. If he engages with you, you'll quickly get down to half dcik blah blah.. and then to terrorists.

what you do is deny your own group's privilege to cry on groups that are fighting against that privilege. When you are cornered to accept that your group is privileged, you declare that it is your group's divine right to exercise that privilege in a particular geographical area or some such sh1t.

you are the uppercaste casteist asshole I was talking of, who I said I'll fcuk. You don't get to pretend like you are some sort of justice seeker. 

ndtv is randi tv is no slur. its a fact. I didn't know @Mitron belongs to half dcik community. I don't care the fcuk for it

half dciks aren't fighting against any previlege. they deserve all the humiliation. intact I still think they are handled with kid gloves  

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Just now, batman2 said:

ndtv is randi tv is no slur. its a fact. I didn't know @Mitron belongs to half dcik community. I don't care the fcuk for it

half dciks aren't fighting against any previlege. they deserve all the humiliation. intact I still think they are handled with kid gloves  

dude, just stop your sh1t. Your hate against a group that has literally no political power in India is disgusting. overwhelming majority of muslims are poor. you let your jealousy of rich/middle class muslims get the better of you, or simply hate them.

It may impress your friends in this db. nothing more. good luck. I don't wish to engage with a toxic asshole like you on this.

 

[batman2]

5 hours ago, uttermost said:

Choosko bujji.

Humans are born into the planet, and they have to find ways to thrive in the planet. Each generation has radically different ideas on how to organize itself. Religion used to be one tactic back in the day, then came several other tactics, including one of nation states, but none of these tactics are set in stone. None of them have achieved the individual need for dignity, need to thrive, etc.

These tactics are also not irrefutably blended into human nature, and even if centuries of tradition has numbed the social mindset into following only particular orders, they can and should be challenged. Including the notion that 'Everybody is equal' 'secularism'  - but only after they are tried, and become a sort of self serving tactic without any tangible use.

But, even then to go back to what ancestors said 2000yrs ago, 5000yrs ago, because they were so brilliant to say that first before anyone else is kind of childish. If anything, it makes the current gen look like fools, while the ancestors gave them a headstart, they are still stuck with 5000yrs ago bs.

Hindutva is just rehashing nonsense ancestors practised many centuries ago, in new capitalist form. Nothing more. As long as you support that kind of bullshit, what you seek is not justice, but merely power. Power to what end? because it is transient. What do you today, who you bother today, will bite your kind back tomorrow.

none goes back to ancestors like the half dcik Turks do. best example is covering their women (50% of their population)in burkha 

[batman2]

5 hours ago, uttermost said:

I'm an idiot. I know you guys don't want fraternity among Hindus. What you want is the uppercaste hegemonic status quo.

for you to be claiming that you are fighting muslims because they form networks and keep other people out, lol, have you done business with muslims? They are more generous than Hindus can ever hope to be. True fact.

I would love it if an SC/ST spearheads hindutva movement. even an OBC will do. we already have narendra bhai - the virat hindu

[batman2]

5 minutes ago, uttermost said:

dude, just stop your sh1t. Your hate against a group that has literally no political power in India is disgusting. overwhelming majority of muslims are poor. you let your jealousy of rich/middle class muslims get the better of you, or simply hate them.

It may impress your friends in this db. nothing more. good luck. I don't wish to engage with a toxic asshole like you on this.

 

they aren't feeling political power now becoz of modi. what was all that shah bano case in 1986????  only instance when a party used its majority to overturn supreme court ruling. isn't that political power.

I will stop my sh1t the movement u stop urs. promise

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1 minute ago, batman2 said:

they aren't feeling political power now becoz of modi. what was all that shah bano case in 1986????  only instance when a party used its majority to overturn supreme court ruling. isn't that political power.

I will stop my sh1t the movement u stop urs. promise

okay. my mistake. I'll never mention Hindus ever again on this db derogatorily. thanks.

[batman2]

13 minutes ago, uttermost said:

lol. Ofcourse, you are privileged. If you had access to a laptop in the 00's, and the internet, you are privileged. Go cry elsewhere. Stop pretending like muslims are suppressing your freedom of speech. lol.

most turak youth eve in rural areas now have laptop and internet. lol look at ur idea of being privileged. laughable 

though I agree that majority of turak are poor, but still they will have to put up with the retribution right??? going by ur own logic

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6 minutes ago, batman2 said:

 I would love it if an SC/ST spearheads hindutva movement. even an OBC will do. we already have narendra bhai - the virat hindu

Final point. I know you won't agree.

but, even if an SC becomes Hindutva leader, nothing much will change for SCs, unless the entire politics of Hindutva is radically changed from corporatist trader centric one to a social justice movement, that tries to redefine interactions between castes in a way dravidian, communist, and bahujan movements tried and failed to.

I don't see any thought leader in Hindutva even thinking in this direction. So its atleast one generation away. Right now, Hindutva has embraced capitalism as the solution, and that system inherently victimizes the lowest in the caste hierarchy. Its impossible to work around that.

[batman2]

@ uttermost idiot thinks Turks don't have political power in india.

can there be a bigger joker in this db??

I will come up with a separate thread for the list which shows political power of turaks