Question on Aliens

[Cool]

18 minutes ago, soodhilodaaram said:

I think we are already being influenced by them both good and bad aliens

AI will evolve humans into transhumanism, there will not be any option for humans to do violations anymore, all humans are contractually abided by the conventions.. in a sense its good.. but who controls the systems will control the humans

As long as brain remains untouched AI can’t influence humans behavior, I guess.

[Cool]

21 minutes ago, Variety_Pullayya said:

It might not be intentional wipe out. They might put their own interests at priority which might prove bad for us. like if they live with us and find themselves to be superior  in intellect. more kind of racism with no control on a planet level. 

They might look at us like ants in an anthill which is ok to be crushed. will you think twice about killing ants in your backyard?

Ants are not evolving but humans.

Humans with little intelligence compared to aliens(if exists) do not want to wipeout any species from earth, then obviously aliens also would not want to wipeout any species in that sense.

 

[AlaElaAlaEla]

1 hour ago, Cool said:

Chaala scientists say advanced alien civilization could be hostile and wipeout humans like it happend in the case of native Americans..just because migrants from Europe did how can they assume an alien life would do the same..just wondering your take on this

you meant aliens are the ones controlling the whole solar system and space? or aliens are something similar to mankind created by almighty ?

have you ever imagined how wide the outer space would be ? If you say, this particular point is end of universe, then what will be there one foot after that???

Man God is Great. Don't ever lose hope on him. 

[uttermost]

15 minutes ago, soodhilodaaram said:

I think we are already being influenced by them both good and bad aliens

AI will evolve humans into transhumanism, there will not be any option for humans to do violations anymore, all humans are contractually abided by the conventions.. in a sense its good.. but who controls the systems will control the humans

what a sad way to live. 

That's why I decided to never bring a child into this pathetic world where people blindly accept conventions and enjoy living in a cesspool of mediocrity.

Anyway there'll always be a band of independence seekers who'll exist outside the system. No system can encompass all, through threat or force or silly contracts.

Majority of 'good' scifi books on aliens,  construct them as hyper rational (neither benevolent, nor destructive) beings. There's a mix of centralized and decentralized systems that is possible in such hyper rational environments. But I must agree, nobody has actually created a working decentralized system other than Ursula LeGuin in 'The Dispossessed'. But the humans (aliens) in that story are not hyperintelligent, and the society is far from perfect, moving towards a central command structure.

There's one on 'Moon is a harsh mistress' too, but that society seems quite implausible, and the author just comes off as a blowhard. There's one revisionist fun anti-authoritarian society in the Steel Tsar, that features a robotic Stalin, and ukrainian anarchist Nestor Makhno.

[uttermost]

8 minutes ago, Cool said:

 As long as brain remains untouched AI can’t influence humans behavior, I guess.

No. I didn't say that AI will influence our behaviour.

but that AI will offer us a case study on how hyper intelligent systems behave. What occasions they would seek to destroy their rival, and on what occasions they would seek cooperation.. etc.

[Cool]

1 hour ago, argadorn said:

aliens unaru ....mana gods aliens ye ...

That’s exactly what I am talking about..history channel lo mana gods ni aliens la chupistaru enduku ante they are not born into our culture and experienced anything like we did so their approach is different from ours, in the same way they are trying to approach(mindset) how it woould be if aliens arrived on earth.

[Cool]

10 minutes ago, AlaElaAlaEla said:

you meant aliens are the ones controlling the whole solar system and space? or aliens are something similar to mankind created by almighty ?

have you ever imagined how wide the outer space would be ? If you say, this particular point is end of universe, then what will be there one foot after that???

Man God is Great. Don't ever lose hope on him. 

You totally got me wrong.. my question no way related to god.

[uttermost]

But again another question..

What if the Aliens are not an advanced civilization of hyper intelligent beings, but just a few lucky life forms that have adapted to survive in all sorts of environments?

I think this kind is almost impossible to counter and defeat. Humans can just forget about survival, if Aliens are not an intelligent species that they can reason with.

[Cool]

5 minutes ago, uttermost said:

No. I didn't say that AI will influence our behaviour.

but that AI will offer us a case study on how hyper intelligent systems behave. What occasions they would seek to destroy their rival, and on what occasions they would seek cooperation.. etc.

I have very less knowledge on AI and how it’s being developed..so can’t really comment on this but AI needs data to analyse and provide results, but in our case humans have no information to provide about aliens. 

[Cool]

Just now, uttermost said:

But again another question..

What if the Aliens are not an advanced civilization of hyper intelligent beings, but just a few lucky life forms that have adapted to survive in all sorts of environments?

I think this kind is almost impossible to counter and defeat. Humans can just forget about survival, if Aliens are not an intelligent species that they cannot reason with.

If they are not intelligent then they cannot reach earth until any asteroid or any rockets launched by humans bring it . 

[uttermost]

1 minute ago, Cool said:

I have very less knowledge on AI and how it’s being developed..so can’t really comment on this but AI needs data to analyse and provide results, but in our case humans have no information to provide about aliens. 

No. I meant that development of AI, will help us understand how intelligence manifests itself in different situations.

If we consider Aliens as having superior intelligence, then AI can help us understand how such superior intelligences may react to certain situations.

Not the current AI... but some future iteration that is far smarter than humans.

[uttermost]

2 minutes ago, Cool said:

 If they are not intelligent then they cannot reach earth until any asteroid or any rockets launched by humans bring it . 

yes. I think those kinds are much more dangerous.

[soodhilodaaram]

24 minutes ago, uttermost said:

what a sad way to live. 

what is sad about living in societal norms that have been agreed or experienced to be safe and ensured prosperity for all.. some are always left behind.. that doesn't mean there can ever be 100% foolproof system right on first attempt

That's why I decided to never bring a child into this pathetic world where people blindly accept conventions and enjoy living in a cesspool of mediocrity.

one can easily live off the grid the way they want to

Anyway there'll always be a band of independence seekers who'll exist outside the system. No system can encompass all, through threat or force or silly contracts.

we do have them today in the form of Naxalites in india for example.. they think they are guided by something good.. infact they are just being played by someone else, chrislamic entities play them quite well based on their needs (church has deep contacts with Naxals ex orissa)

Majority of 'good' scifi books on aliens,  construct them as hyper rational (neither benevolent, nor destructive) beings. There's a mix of centralized and decentralized systems that is possible in such hyper rational environments. But I must agree, nobody has actually created a working decentralized system other than Ursula LeGuin in 'The Dispossessed'. But the humans (aliens) in that story are not hyperintelligent, and the society is far from perfect, moving towards a central command structure.

decentralization can only occur post centralization.. we have never seen anything in the past that created a great society without centralization, i agree the same centralization was also reason for its collapse.. that means centralization is not a permanent option for long term, it can only be a means to setup a structure for continuity as a collective community.. this is not applicable to people who dont consider themselves to be part of any community

 

There's one on 'Moon is a harsh mistress' too, but that society seems quite implausible, and the author just comes off as a blowhard. There's one revisionist fun anti-authoritarian society in the Steel Tsar, that features a robotic Stalin, and ukrainian anarchist Nestor Makhno.

copy paste sarigga cheyi..context set kaledu

 

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1 hour ago, Cool said:

Chaala scientists say advanced alien civilization could be hostile and wipeout humans like it happend in the case of native Americans..just because migrants from Europe did how can they assume an alien life would do the same..just wondering your take on this

I believe there are aliens (as Carl Sagan said- The universe is a pretty big place. If it's just us, seems like an awful waste of space)

There is no proof that the aliens are more intelligent than us or hostile. Our way of thinking is always from the life and behavior that we know (predator/survival..etc)

There might be aliens already in earth but we cannot notice.. coz we rely on our senses to confirm what's real and what's not.. what if we cannot sense aliens?

The most closest thing to aliens is our gods.. may be one day science will agree

 

[uttermost]

1 minute ago, soodhilodaaram said:

what is sad about living in societal norms that have been agreed or experienced to be safe for all

Safe for who? The ones who agree to live in it. There's no such system that is safe for all. You will need to suppress many, for the some to enjoy.

2 minutes ago, soodhilodaaram said:

one can easily live off the grid the way they want to

make up your mind. you said it'll be impossible to defy conventions, and are now playing the other side too. lol

3 minutes ago, soodhilodaaram said:

we do have them today in the form of Naxalites in india for example.. they think they are guided by something good.. infact they are just being played by someone else

Ah, the arrogance. As if you are not susceptible to play by someone else. When you submit to a system, you are already submitting to be played by someone else, unless you the master of that system

4 minutes ago, soodhilodaaram said:

decentralization can only occur post centralization.. we have never seen anything in the past that created a great society without centralization, i agree the same centralization was also reason for its collapse.. that means centralization is not a permanent option for long term, it can only be a means to setup a structure for continuity as a collective community.. this is not applicable to people who dont consider themselves to be part of any community

We have never seen a great society in the past. Period. It may happen in the future.

you are simply beating around the bush. When I said decentralization, it means challenging every established norm in person-person interactions too, that needs to be challenged.. Forget about collectives, which are as choking as any centralized system.

7 minutes ago, soodhilodaaram said:

copy paste sarigga cheyi..context set kaledu

I don't copy paste. I was talking about how decentralized systems are represented in print. The most realistic one is presented in 'The Dispossessed'.