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[LuciferMorningStar]

37 minutes ago, uttermost said:

Almost all US 'tech' and lifestyle companies make more money outside the US, than inside it. deal with it, man.

nobody cares about moderate democrats and Independents. Your future is with the racists and nazis. You may hate them at first.. but you can point to the left, and tell yourself that the nazis  are better than the 'extreme leftists'.  

May be that's what voters in swing states thought in 2016 elections. If they keep thinking like that Leftists will soon lose their megaphones & be thrown in Jail for vandalizing public properties.

[LuciferMorningStar]

47 minutes ago, uttermost said:

Communism is not fascism. Right wing nationalism, Capitalism.. these lead to fascism.

USSR was a capitalist country that built capitalist structures, with a huge bureaucracy that made them inefficient. They were not communist. Stalin, Lenin were not communist. At best, they can be called socialist. Some Antifa groups think they are. They are, coopted because of the fight with a common enemy.

Extreme Leftists --->> is utopian classless society, where no one is bound to each other by duty, but by choice.

Extreme right wing natonalism ---> Hitler. Pinochet, Mussolini.

Its not even the same coin man.

USSR was a capitalist country

You need to go back to school to study history. This time study properly.

[uttermost]

2 minutes ago, LuciferMorningStar said:

May be that's what voters in swing states thought in 2016 elections. If they keep thinking like that Leftists will soon lose their megaphones & be thrown in Jail for vandalizing public properties.

haha.. If the republicans and some corporate democrats haven't sold public properties to the highest bidder already. Then there may be huge support to vandalizing these properties. who knows. 

fair point about republicans being worse than the avg democrat, but 'leftists' dont vote for Trump. At best, they hold their nose and vote for Obama/Clinton type careerists, or refrain from voting at all.

 

[uttermost]

9 minutes ago, LuciferMorningStar said:

USSR was a capitalist country

You need to go back to school to study history. This time study properly.

The  institutional structures in USSR were capitalist in spirit, absolutely. Meaning, the factories were run by some politburo members, and not by the workers themselves. They may not have a controlling stake in the factory, but they had the power to make all the decisions. It is not the communist model. It is capitalist.. except imagine it to be like NGO type capitalism.

Do you think China is a communist country now? lol. 

USSR was the same.. except it was way more diverse, and hence had crippling bureaucracy to handle that capitalist structure. USSR citizens also made amazing engineering and scientific  progress, that they were not able to leverage due to the inefficiencies of that structure.

You first read what communism is. Communism means a state less state. A state without a govt. Its an end goal. No country can claim to be communist.

[LuciferMorningStar]

46 minutes ago, uttermost said:

Almost all US 'tech' and lifestyle companies make more money outside the US, than inside it. deal with it, man.

nobody cares about moderate democrats and Independents. Your future is with the racists and nazis. You may hate them at first.. but you can point to the left, and tell yourself that the nazis  are better than the 'extreme leftists'.  

Almost all US 'tech' and lifestyle companies make more money outside the US, than inside it.

Ya that's why they make rules in Washington DC, why on this earth would they entertain leftists & harm their businesses? They allow leftists as long as they're fine. No matter from where company gets its revenue, its foundation in the home country should be stable. Most of the American companies are not small to shift their bases to other countries just like that.

"nobody cares about moderate democrats and Independents"

These are the people political parties are after. 

In US, Leftists are maximum confined to either California or New York. But midwestern states don't encourage the idea of leftists. So without these states there's no way any party can rule the country.

Your leftists are only entertained so long as Trump's in the office but after that everyone including the media abandons them.

So don't go bonkers then. You have tendency to over react for everything.

[uttermost]

11 minutes ago, LuciferMorningStar said:

USSR was a capitalist country

You need to go back to school to study history. This time study properly.

The ideological opposite to communism/leftism isn't a democrat, but a conservative that believes in personal freedom with some 'duties' , not responsbilities (because of the strict social code they want to adhere to in some areas).

A democrat who agrees with part of this is also republican in spirit, which is what the 'moderate' democrats are. They are all, in effect republican, but since they don't want to share stage with racists, they want to push leftists out of the political arena by pretending to be the main opposition to republicans.

A true blue democrat is one that is for high taxation, high public spending, large welfare state. And that is not leftism. There are no leftists in democratic party. Its just democrats from the 60s, 70s, who've been sidelined by the republican pretenders - 'moderate' democrats since the Bill Clinton era.

They've made a comeback on the coattails of Bernie, Cortez, Cynthia Nixon etc.

[LuciferMorningStar]

8 minutes ago, uttermost said:

The  institutional structures in USSR were capitalist in spirit, absolutely. Meaning, the factories were run by some politburo members, and not by the workers themselves. They may not have a controlling stake in the factory, but they had the power to make all the decisions. It is not the communist model. It is capitalist.. except imagine it to be like NGO type capitalism.

Do you think China is a communist country now? lol. 

USSR was the same.. except it was way more diverse, and hence had crippling bureaucracy to handle that capitalist structure. USSR citizens also made amazing engineering and scientific  progress, that they were not able to leverage due to the inefficiencies of that structure.

You first read what communism is. Communism means a state less state. A state without a govt. Its an end goal. No country can claim to be communist.

Communism is an ism which no communist country follows. If Communism is confined to the books, then what's the difference between Communism & a religion? Following something that's just confined to the books!!!

Communists & Theists sound same to me now.

 

[LuciferMorningStar]

1 minute ago, uttermost said:

The ideological opposite to communism/leftism isn't a democrat, but a conservative that believes in personal freedom with some 'duties' , not responsbilities (because of the strict social code they want to adhere to in some areas).

A democrat who agrees with part of this is also republican in spirit, which is what the 'moderate' democrats are. They are all, in effect republican, but since they don't want to share stage with racists, they want to push leftists out of the political arena by pretending to be the main opposition to republicans.

A true blue democrat is one that is for high taxation, high public spending, large welfare state. And that is not leftism. There are no leftists in democratic party. Its just democrats from the 60s, 70s, who've been sidelined by the republican pretenders - 'moderate' democrats since the Bill Clinton era.

They've made a comeback on the coattails of Bernie, Cortez, Cynthia Nixon etc.

" Cortez, Cynthia Nixon etc."

Thanks for proving my point that these leftists are confined to either NY or CA!

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6 minutes ago, LuciferMorningStar said:

Ya that's why they make rules in Washington DC, why on this earth would they entertain leftists & harm their businesses? They allow leftists as long as they're fine. No matter from where company gets its revenue, its foundation in the home country should be stable. Most of the American companies are not small to shift their bases to other countries just like that.

who makes the rules in Washington DC? the 'tech' companies? haha.. They wish they did. 

Nobody allows leftists anything. Obama used brutal force to quell the Occupy Wall St movement.. whereas the tea party movement, with its racists, was allowed to go on untouched.

8 minutes ago, LuciferMorningStar said:

These are the people political parties are after. 

In US, Leftists are maximum confined to either California or New York. But midwestern states don't encourage the idea of leftists. So without these states there's no way any party can rule the country.

Your leftists are only entertained so long as Trump's in the office but after that everyone including the media abandons them.

So don't go bonkers then. You have tendency to over react for everything.

I love how confidently you spout incoherent bullshit, and tell me that I over react. lol.

If I have to parse the crap you wrote above, you are trying to say that Calif, and NY are leftist - which is a big joke. They are democrat probably. Democrat is not the same as leftist.

Then you go on to claim that midwestern states don't encourage leftists.. again, they may not encourage certain cultural aspects of 'leftism', but will encourage economic aspects, since they are poor for the most part. You confuse leftism with Democrats, and are at the same time, whining about leftists pushing you 'moderate' voices out of democrat party. So make up your mind.

Anyway, leftists don't care for media. They have their own structures, and will leverage from both govt and capitalist networks to feed that structure as long as possible. As long as human spirit for freedom is alive.. leftism will be too.

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9 minutes ago, LuciferMorningStar said:

Communism is an ism which no communist country follows. If Communism is confined to the books, then what's the difference between Communism & a religion? Following something that's just confined to the books!!!

Communists & Theists sound same to me now.

Communism is not something to be 'followed'. Its not a set of rules to be followed.

Its a state of society without rulers. Marx gave a few tips on how to achieve it. Its incomplete. People are experimenting with various structures at the micro level towards it.

It has failed whenever it was forced on a big population.

I didn't bring in communism.. you brought it, with such confidence that you understand what it is. Its obvious you don't have a clue.

[uttermost]

10 minutes ago, LuciferMorningStar said:

" Cortez, Cynthia Nixon etc."

Thanks for proving my point that these leftists are confined to either NY or CA!

They are not leftists.. lol. They are old fashioned democrats, the kind that party forgot after it got capitalist ** to suck on, since Bill Clinton in 90s.

I don't care about them. 

[uttermost]

13 minutes ago, LuciferMorningStar said:

" Cortez, Cynthia Nixon etc."

Thanks for proving my point that these leftists are confined to either NY or CA!

Its simple man. What's happening in the democrat party is a fight between old style democrats, and the new corporate democrats. It has nothing to do with leftism. 

you 'moderate' democrats are in the corporate democrat group. You want to have the cake (the good life, the job, and everything), and eat it too (diversity etc). both of them are fundamentally in conflict. One has to give way to the other.

Leftists reject the US borders, for eg. They reject electoral politics itself.

[LuciferMorningStar]

7 minutes ago, uttermost said:

Communism is not something to be 'followed'. Its not a set of rules to be followed.

Its a state of society without rulers. Marx gave a few tips on how to achieve it. Its incomplete. People are experimenting with various structures at the micro level towards it.

It has failed whenever it was forced on a big population. 

I didn't bring in communism.. you brought it, with such confidence that you understand what it is. Its obvious you don't have a clue.

"It has failed whenever it was forced on a big population."

I rest my case

[LuciferMorningStar]

1 minute ago, uttermost said:

Its simple man. What's happening in the democrat party is a fight between old style democrats, and the new corporate democrats. It has nothing to do with leftism. 

you 'moderate' democrats are in the corporate democrat group. You want to have the cake (the good life, the job, and everything), and eat it too (diversity etc). both of them are fundamentally in conflict. One has to give way to the other.

Leftists reject the US borders, for eg. They reject electoral politics itself. 

" Leftists reject the US borders, for eg. They reject electoral politics itself. "

Dumbest idea ever!!

You do realize that immigration even in the US will be open only for a limited time? Rejecting borders & then what? let everyone from around the world pour in to the country when your country is full of people in want of jobs?

Does India & China have immigration??!!!

Rejecting borders my arse

[uttermost]

17 minutes ago, LuciferMorningStar said:

" Cortez, Cynthia Nixon etc."

Thanks for proving my point that these leftists are confined to either NY or CA!

basically, 'moderate' democrats are being wooed by Trump every single day, with his claim on super strong economy, and they are having a hard time trying to let go of their hate for racism, to accept Trump in his full glory.