Petrol Thread .... Center already asked States to put Petrol under GST ani

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7 minutes ago, Spartan said:

for every one rupee reduced by Center..it will cost 30,000 Cr loss per annum ..to the nation... that will drastically hamper the development projects and put them on halt..

 whereas the states can handle those losses.. mainly baga balisina so called Southern States..which show off of contributing 60% of nations tax income ani....

lol. 

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7 minutes ago, Kool_SRG said:

Avunu vaallaki loss ga BJP rules states eh oppukoledu ante non BJP states ekkada oppukuntaayi... 

 Maharastra lo petrol nearly 40% Tax, Diesel Telangana lo highest anukunta

the way Spartan structures his argument itself is ridiculous.

he's just trying to come up with an alternate opinion, but whatever he says is what the govt in power is saying. So in most circles, its just govt propaganda.

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15 minutes ago, dasara_bullodu said:

Local politics ... I think federal structure ni dissolve cheseyyali

notiki edhosthey adhi cheppeytamey

India ni dissolve chesey paristhithi raakunda chooskondi mundhu. modhatikey mosam osthadi malli.

[Spartan]

1 minute ago, uttermost said:

logic ani okati undhi.. adhi ekkadanna kanipisthunda ani searching nee raathallo.

Oil prices fluctuate aithey, why is it better to be taxed by central authority? 

why shouldn't states that collect highest VAT do bharat bandh? May be they are just against central taxes. Is it so ridiculous?

plus, manamu vote guddey demographics gurinchi chulakana ga maatladaali antey, mana point koncham strong undaali bhayyo. thala thoka lekunda edhedho chepthunnav.

Oil prices fluctuate aithey, why is it better to be taxed by central authority? 

When a commodity price fluctuates internationally...if Center is only authority that can control the taxes it is only one layer.. States are adding another layer on top of it. So when the end price for consumer is controlled by two authorities..isnt that obvious that it would be better if only one controls it.? Mainly in India where its not the same party that rules at Center and State and they can never be brought to agreement on any agenda..let alone the oil prices.. (Consumer perspective)

why shouldn't states that collect highest VAT do bharat bandh? May be they are just against central taxes. Is it so ridiculous?

I am not saying they shoudnt, but they are also in a place where they can cut the price to get relief for the consumer. and as mentioned in other post..the loss to Center is more dangerous to the nation than to the states...

plus, manamu vote guddey demographics gurinchi chulakana ga maatladaali antey, mana point koncham strong undaali bhayyo. thala thoka lekunda edhedho chepthunnav.

nenu chulakana matladale..iam saying they are innocent and believe what media and local leaders feed to them ani..

[futureofandhra]

Bj party ruling in 21 states n still no one implement gst pity bodi n shoe

 

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1 minute ago, Spartan said:

When a commodity price fluctuates internationally...if Center is only authority that can control the taxes it is only one layer.. States are adding another layer on top of it. So when the end price for consumer is controlled by two authorities..isnt that obvious that it would be better if only one controls it.? Mainly in India where its not the same party that rules at Center and State and they can never be brought to agreement on any agenda..let alone the oil prices.. (Consumer perspective)

People who pay the price at the pump don't care who taxes what. They just want to pay as less as possible. If the state sets that tax, there's an inbuilt feedback mechanism, that state can respond to, given they provide almost all of the services to the average person in India.

Also each state having different prices, why is it so bad? Who do you think loses if prices vary across states? On the other hand, if the prices are uniform, TG which has promised its citizens certain welfare schemes would have to cut back on it, because someone in bihar doesn't want to pay that price.. so on and so forth.

I know GST makes the tax uniform. I think GST itself is a horrible tax system the way it was designed in India. States benefit by keeping petrol out of it. Center benefits too (dont forget that).. They collect astronomical excise taxes on refinement. 

7 minutes ago, Spartan said:

I am not saying they shoudnt, but they are also in a place where they can cut the price to get relief for the consumer. and as mentioned in other post..the loss to Center is more dangerous to the nation than to the states...

dude. State govt's main income stream is taxes on petrol. Just look at your state budget. I'm betting close to 50% of its revenue is from petrol. State is not allowed to tax income, and if petrol is taken away too, then state govts will have to ask bhiksham permanently from the center.

I'm really surprised that's what you want for your state. May be I'm alone in not giving a fcuk about India, and giving lots of fcuks to my state. To me, the more money stays in my state, the better it is.

9 minutes ago, Spartan said:

nenu chulakana matladale..iam saying they are innocent and believe what media and local leaders feed to them ani..

Its politics bhayyo. BJP chesthunnappudu I'm sure you enjoyed it.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Spartan said:

Oil prices fluctuate aithey, why is it better to be taxed by central authority? 

When a commodity price fluctuates internationally...if Center is only authority that can control the taxes it is only one layer.. States are adding another layer on top of it. So when the end price for consumer is controlled by two authorities..isnt that obvious that it would be better if only one controls it.? Mainly in India where its not the same party that rules at Center and State and they can never be brought to agreement on any agenda..let alone the oil prices.. (Consumer perspective)

 why shouldn't states that collect highest VAT do bharat bandh? May be they are just against central taxes. Is it so ridiculous?

I am not saying they shoudnt, but they are also in a place where they can cut the price to get relief for the consumer. and as mentioned in other post..the loss to Center is more dangerous to the nation than to the states...

 plus, manamu vote guddey demographics gurinchi chulakana ga maatladaali antey, mana point koncham strong undaali bhayyo. thala thoka lekunda edhedho chepthunnav.

nenu chulakana matladale..iam saying they are innocent and believe what media and local leaders feed to them ani..

simple rejig of GST would be awesome. 

Center gets only about 15% of the tax collected, and the rest go to the states where the product was consumed.

really, I don't understand why people want a strong center. Do you want your states to be slaves to Delhi? Why is  that?

Do you hate your people?

[Spartan]

1 minute ago, uttermost said:

People who pay the price at the pump don't care who taxes what. They just want to pay as less as possible. If the state sets that tax, there's an inbuilt feedback mechanism, that state can respond to, given they provide almost all of the services to the average person in India.

Also each state having different prices, why is it so bad? Who do you think loses if prices vary across states? On the other hand, if the prices are uniform, TG which has promised its citizens certain welfare schemes would have to cut back on it, because someone in bihar doesn't want to pay that price.. so on and so forth.

I know GST makes the tax uniform. I think GST itself is a horrible tax system the way it was designed in India. States benefit by keeping petrol out of it. Center benefits too (dont forget that).. They collect astronomical excise taxes on refinement. 

dude. State govt's main income stream is taxes on petrol. Just look at your state budget. I'm betting close to 50% of its revenue is from petrol. State is not allowed to tax income, and if petrol is taken away too, then state govts will have to ask bhiksham permanently from the center.

I'm really surprised that's what you want for your state. May be I'm alone in not giving a fcuk about India, and giving lots of fcuks to my state. To me, the more money stays in my state, the better it is.

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Liquor kuda states deggare undi kada... , If Nations vaults are in deflicit..it will reflect on loans of States as well..

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Its politics bhayyo. BJP chesthunnappudu I'm sure you enjoyed it.

i didnt mention any party in that..media sleeps with both the parties..blamed media there.

 

 

 

[Spartan]

3 minutes ago, uttermost said:

simple rejig of GST would be awesome. 

Center gets only about 15% of the tax collected, and the rest go to the states where the product was consumed.

really, I don't understand why people want a strong center. Do you want your states to be slaves to Delhi? Why is  that?

Do you hate your people?

String nation is better than strong State...in my opinion

lekapote ippudu Southern States center to ela potladtunnaro , how under-developed the Eastern most states are, how the business flourished states of Maharashtra and Gujrat dominate the Central politics......the saga will never end...

[dalapathi]

39 minutes ago, Kool_SRG said:

Ekuva excise duty penchindi center ne around 20-30 rupees in last 3-4 yrs so vaalla side nunche reduction expect chestaaru... 

Petroleum minister gaaru budget lo Finance minister gaarini adugutam tagginchamani ani told in Jan- Feb , it was reduced also but from other end added road cess so no decrease at all...

Budget 2018: Govt cuts excise duty on diesel, petrol prices

Diesel and petrol prices, however, will remain unchanged as FM Arun Jaitley has implemented a new Rs8 per litre ‘Levy of Road and Infrastructure Cess’ on the fuels

@Spartan  NDA govt. taxes place lo Cess lu teesukostundi. Taxes collect cheste states ki 40% share ivvali ata. ade CESS lu veste ivvalsina avasaram ledu ata. paina chudu excise duty tagginchi danni cess tho replace chesindu. Excise duty vunte aah 8 rupees lo States ki 40% ivvalsi vachedi. danni cess tho replace chesinru kabatti mottham 8 rupees central govt ke. Induke GST kindaki tevataniki oppukovatledemo states.

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1 minute ago, Spartan said:

 If Nations vaults are in deflicit..it will reflect on loans of States as well..

Why will a nation be in deficit? Central govt has no business collecting indirect taxes in the first place. GST that is prevalent everywhere as diverse as India is (Canada, Europe) have very low Central component in the GST. Only homogenous countries have centralized GST systems. Liquour is supposed to replace Petrol taxes aa.. As a rough estimate, its about 10 times that of liquor, I think. 

India's needs are different. Lets not piss on aspirations of TG people, just to satisfy the whims of Bihari people. The state has already given up its right to tax income.

Actually, I am not even understanding what you are arguing for. You want India to have more money to implement more schemes, right? You really think it'll happen? Why then some states have better infra than others? Its obvious that states have done the lions share on development (educating their people), and deserve more say in how they structure their finances, than the center which just builds infra (roads that go to nowhere). Even UP, Bihar has superb highways. What's the point.

2 minutes ago, Spartan said:

i didnt mention any party in that..media sleeps with both the parties..blamed media there.

But its obvious you'll support a Hindutva party over the alternative. If it was UPA, you wouldn't have defended it. Either way, your defense of the govt is very weak. especially your claim that central authority controlling the tax as better. GST on petrol will not make things better. At the moment, tax on petrol is much higher than the highest tax bracket on GST. both central and state govts will witness a massive fall in revenues if petrol is included in GST.

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Just now, dalapathi said:

@Spartan  NDA govt. taxes place lo Cess lu teesukostundi. Taxes collect cheste states ki 40% share ivvali ata. ade CESS lu veste ivvalsina avasaram ledu ata. paina chudu excise duty tagginchi danni cess tho replace chesindu. Excise duty vunte aah 8 rupees lo States ki 40% ivvalsi vachedi. danni cess tho replace chesinru kabatti mottham 8 rupees central govt ke. Induke GST kindaki tevataniki oppukovatledemo states.

informative. +1

GST kindaki teste a CESS ni convert chesi States ki istam ani ananra Center..?

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1 minute ago, dalapathi said:

@Spartan  NDA govt. taxes place lo Cess lu teesukostundi. Taxes collect cheste states ki 40% share ivvali ata. ade CESS lu veste ivvalsina avasaram ledu ata. paina chudu excise duty tagginchi danni cess tho replace chesindu. Excise duty vunte aah 8 rupees lo States ki 40% ivvalsi vachedi. danni cess tho replace chesinru kabatti mottham 8 rupees central govt ke. Induke GST kindaki tevataniki oppukovatledemo states.

GST kindaki testey, malli cess emi? 

GST osthey center ki kooda bokkey. just sollu chepthunnaru em cheppalo telika.

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1 minute ago, Spartan said:

informative. +1

GST kindaki teste a CESS ni convert chesi States ki istam ani ananra Center..?

brother.. ee cess avanni vadiley. Total tax on petrol entha ippudu? more than 50% kadha?

GST highest tax bracket entha? 28% anukunta..

do your math. state, center iddariki bokkey.

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1 minute ago, uttermost said:

brother.. ee cess avanni vadiley. Total tax on petrol entha ippudu? more than 50% kadha?

GST highest tax bracket entha? 28% anukunta..

do your math. state, center iddariki bokkey.

isnt there a way where Petrol can be taxed at one single rate..more than 28 and below 50.?

i need to check the math .