Gandhi vs bhagat Singh

[Sachin200]

10 minutes ago, Amrita said:

I support Bhagat Singh.  Non violence movement might have been good but i read negative things also about gandhi. I somehow lost impression. Ilantivi chala chotla i read. Sources correct or wrong naku teledu.

 

 

Gandhi abandoned his father's deathbed to go have sex, leaving his father to die in his absence.

In 1885, Gandhi's father, Karamchand, developed a fistula and grew gravely ill. One night soon after, according to a 2010 biography, Gandhi was sitting up with his father, but eventually left to have sex with his new bride, Kasturba. Karamchand died while Gandhi was away.
 

He was staunchly racist for at least much of his adulthood.

Before leading his historic push for India's independence from the British Empire, Gandhi famously led civil rights movements in South Africa, another British colony, between 1893 and 1915, when he was in his mid-20s through his mid-40s.

While Gandhi's time fighting for the rights of Indians in South Africa is often now mythologized as the heroic precursor to his later efforts in India, the dark side of this tale reveals that Gandhi's motivations in South Africa included his strident racism against the local black populations there.

 

He took up civil rights in South Africa largely to ensure Indians' standing above the local blacks, and believed that the whites should stay in power.

An oft-recited turning point in Gandhi's life involves his being thrown off a train for refusing to move out of first class, which was reserved for whites, early on during his time in South Africa. However, during both that incident and the entire civil rights movement that followed, Gandhi wasn't so much campaigning for Indians' rights in and of themselves, but more so that Indians simply be given more rights than the local blacks.

"A general belief seems to prevail in the colony that the Indians are little better, if at all, than the savages or natives of Africa. Even the children are taught to believe in that manner, with the result that the Indian is being dragged down to the position of a raw Kaffir," he said.

 

He wrote a few "Dear friend..." letters to Adolf Hitler.

Yes, when Gandhi wrote to Hitler at least twice in 1939 and 1940, he did so to call for peace and, yes, Gandhi was, by all accounts, an impossibly kind and gracious person who might address anyone as "friend."

Nevertheless, it's quite something to see the 20th century's most revered figures write a "Dear friend..." letter to the century's greatest monster -- and then add things like, "We have no doubt about your bravery or devotion to your fatherland, nor do we believe that you are the monster described by your opponents."

 

He also had some troublingly positive words about Mussolini.

Once again, you've got to account for both Gandhi's peerlessly magnanimous warmth and the perils of historical hindsight, but just as it was with Hitler, it's strange to hear that Gandhi had some kind, admiring words about the brutal fascist dictator that led Italy against the Allies during World War II.

In his 2011 book, Subhash Chandra Bose in Nazi Germany, author Romain Hayes explains that, after the two met in 1931, Gandhi called Mussolini "one of the great statesmen of our time," and went on to write the following in a letter to a friend:

"Many of his reforms attract me. He seems to have done much for the peasant class. I admit an iron hand is there. But as violence is the basis of Western society, Mussolini's reforms deserve an impartial study.”

 

He perpetually suffered from self-inflicted constipation and dealt with it in strange ways.

Gandhi's unusual diet very often left him highly constipated and spending hours at a time in the bathroom.

But where things get weird (at least for most Westerners) -- according to Gandhi: Naked Ambition, a 2010 biography by Jad Adams -- is in how Gandhi dealt with his constipation.

According to Adams, Gandhi would routinely invite one or more of the many female companions he kept around into the bathroom to visit with him while he was on the toilet.

 

He shared uncomfortably close and likely exploitative relationships with the pairs of young women he kept around.

Throughout much of his adult life, Gandhi kept plenty of young female companions close to him and allowed these relationships to take several different dark turns.

For starters, he often kept pairs of girls as his daily companions to address his needs right down to basic movement, with Gandhi referring to them, according to Adams, as his "walking sticks."

Moreover, Gandhi made things uncomfortably personal in both routinely bathing with these girls and habitually starting the day by asking them if they'd had a good bowel movement.

What's worse, even if we can believe that these teenage girls had the ability to consent to any of this, it's not clear that there was any consent in the first place.

He regularly received nude massages from the young girls he kept close.

According to Adams' biography, in addition to tending to his needs regarding bathing and bowel movements, Gandhi tasked his young female companions with regularly giving him massages while he was in the nude. Reportedly, he liked mustard oil and lime juice to be used during these massages.

 

He had young girls sleep nude next to him in order to test his chastity.

After Gandhi's father died while Gandhi was off having sex, and once again after coming to the realization that he couldn't serve humanity while also consumed by lust, a thirty-something Gandhi decided that he must take a vow of chastity -- and tested that chastity in some rather odd ways.

Although he forbade men and women (even husbands and wives) from sleeping together while at his ashrams, Gandhi had many women -- some of them teenagers, some of them married -- sleep nude in his bed.

 

His list of nude sleeping partners included his own grandniece.

The year before his death, a 77-year-old Gandhi cast a then 33-year-old Sushila Nayar (who Gandhi had asked to be given to him as a gift by her mother when she was just six) out of his bed in favor of a younger woman: Manu, his 18-year-old grandniece.

Gandhi explicitly stated that sleeping with Manu in the nude yet resisting sexual temptation was his most important experiment in chastity, telling her that "[we] must put our purity to the ultimate test."

At that same time, he also pulled Abha, the 18-year-old wife of his grandnephew, into bed with him -- and things quickly became problematic. When Gandhi began publicly speaking about his sleeping arrangement, even those in his inner circle asked that he remove the girls from his bed. He initially refused; finally, after several of his close associates parted ways with him over the matter, he relented.

 

He carried out his sexual experiments with the boys and girls at his ashrams.

While Gandhi clearly had his own, deep-seated sexual hang-ups resulting in fervid chastity and experiments designed to test that chastity, what's more problematic is that he acted out similar experiments with others -- specifically, children.

Although husbands and wives weren't even allowed to sleep together at his ashrams, the boys and girls were -- all under Gandhi's peculiar supervision.

First, they would bathe together; "I sent the boys reputed to be mischievous and the innocent young girls to bathe at the same time," Gandhi said, according to Adams' biography. Then, they would sleep, beds very close together, with Gandhi often there himself to act as a watchdog.

If any of the boys or girls succumbed to temptation -- temptation that Gandhi himself all but orchestrated -- they were punished.

 

He had some rather cruel things to say about his wife.

Although Gandhi and his wife stayed married their entire lives, it's readily apparent that Gandhi's vows of poverty and chastity drove this once well-to-do couple apart, and that Gandhi felt that his wife was never on the same spiritual and intellectual plane as he. He would go on to say some cruel things about her, including:

"I simply cannot bear to look at Ba's face. The expression is often like that on the face of a meek cow and gives one the feeling as a cow occasionally does, that in her own dumb manner she is saying something."
 

 

He was likely responsible for his wife's death.

What's troubling about Gandhi's unusual lifestyle choices -- celibacy, poverty, fasting -- is that he forced them upon his family as well. By all accounts, his wife managed to put up with these things, but they (namely, the poverty) eventually helped eat away at her health. In early 1944, when she was stricken with pneumonia, Gandhi once again imposed his choices upon her and refused to allow her to be injected with "alien medicine," i.e. penicillin.

Soon after, she died. And not long after that, Gandhi himself contracted malaria. But this time, he allowed doctors to inject him with quinine and save his life.

He was shockingly sexist.

Though plenty of ink has been spilled over Gandhi's supposed feminism, there are just too many facts and stories to the contrary to ignore.

According to the Guardian, he: "believed menstruation was a manifestation of the distortion of a woman's soul by her sexuality;" argued that women should be responsible for sexual assaults carried out upon them; contended that fathers are justified in killing daughters that have been sexually assaulted in order to preserve family honor; labelled women who used contraceptives as whores; and once chopped off the hair of two female followers who were being harassed so that the perpetrators would stop.

He was likely bigoted against homosexuals.

In the 1930s, Gandhi and Jawaharlal Nehru (his associate and eventually the first prime minister of India) both led campaigns to have all traces of homoerotic tradition removed from displays in India's Hindu temples as part of a "sexual cleansing" initiative.

 

 

Gandhi meedha negatives Chala vunaye , Kani ayana book chaduvu opinion change avutundhi 

But I don't know that actual fact of gandhi

But I read some if the above mentioned points ( racist , sleeping with  naked girls ) 

[Amrita]

9 minutes ago, Sachin200 said:

Gandhi meedha negatives Chala vunaye , Kani ayana book chaduvu opinion change avutundhi 

But I don't know that actual fact of gandhi

But I read some if the above mentioned points ( racist , sleeping with  naked girls ) 

Real truth evariki teledu man ...independence techina if above are true how can he be father of nation? Basic character is questionable when he sleep around with women in his ashrams. Own grand niece to a behavior true ayite em chesina kuda i feel he is not even a human. 

Btw which book are you talking about? His autobiography? 

[Sachin200]

2 minutes ago, Amrita said:

Real truth evariki teledu man ...independence techina if above are true how can he be father of nation? Basic character is questionable when he sleep around with women in his ashrams. Own grand niece to a behavior true ayite em chesina kuda i feel he is not even a human. 

Btw which book are you talking about? His autobiography? 

His auto-biography 

[Amrita]

2 minutes ago, Sachin200 said:

His auto-biography 

Okay cool. 

[uttermost]

Bhagat Singh was a communist, anarchist.

he has an amazing egalitarian vision for India.

Gandhi was stuck in his caste rut. His view of India is from that angle, and he never improve himself.

he was not jealous of Bhagat Singh. his brain couldn't process the things Bhagat Singh was talking about.

Bhagat Singh was a brilliant and well read man. He had books written by Bakunin and he was openly marxist. even if both are a bit contradictory.

If he lived a full life, how interesting his life would've been. Alas.

[Sachin200]

3 minutes ago, uttermost said:

Bhagat Singh was a communist, anarchist.

he has an amazing egalitarian vision for India.

Gandhi was stuck in his caste rut. His view of India is from that angle, and he never improve himself.

he was not jealous of Bhagat Singh. his brain couldn't process the things Bhagat Singh was talking about.

Bhagat Singh was a brilliant and well read man. He had books written by Bakunin and he was openly marxist. even if both are a bit contradictory.

If he lived a full life, how interesting his life would've been. Alas.

So u support bhagatsingh ? 

[uttermost]

Bhagat Singh's patriotism  had far more depth to it than most people realize.

but he was not the only one. his compatriots from the socialist repulic association were all interesting character.

one more interesting character that fell off the map was PT Acharya. who was also a communist, until the russian revolution, and after taht he turned his back against communism, and became part of IWMA which was anarchist syndicalist. 

it was an exciting time in the world's history. entire world was hopeful of a communist revolution, and India was teeming with uppercaste communists, but Gadhi provided safe space for non-communist (industrialist, small businessmen) uppercaste, and managed to corner all the glory.

Its not about violence vs non-violence, but more about communist vs capitalist. The capitalist won. and we have today's India.

[uttermost]

7 minutes ago, Sachin200 said:

So u support bhagatsingh ? 

he's not alive. what's to support?

I like what i read about bhagat singh. I think his ideals are good.

[uttermost]

In short Gandhi was the figure who was propped by the then industrialists of the day. Tata, Birla, etc

[uttermost]

12 minutes ago, Sachin200 said:

So u support bhagatsingh ? 

Gandhi believed that bhagat singh is fighting a lost cause. Even if he was freed, he won't stop himself from getting into trouble again.

he's not a coward and a loser like Savarkar, who wrote articles supporting the british after the british pardoned him.

gandhi believed that hindu society was not ready for Bhagat Singh's ideals. because it far superseded his own, just on the scope of its vision.

[uttermost]

the thing is, all of them admired gandhi.

[uttermost]

The ultimate goal of Anarchism is complete independence, according to which no one will be ... crazy for money ... There will be no chains on the body or control by the state. This means that they want to eliminate ... the state; private property.

this is what Bhagat Singh believed. The soverignty of the individual over the collective. He was against the state, and private property too.

[Kontekurradu]

4 hours ago, Sachin200 said:

Bhayyas yesterday having discussion with my sister 

Her opinion was Gandhi did not stop from capital punishment of bhagat Singh by British . He thought bhagat Singh can become more famous than him . My sister support bhagat Singh 

My opinion , Gandhi was more matured and want to get independence in non-violence movement . I support Gandhi 

Whom do u support ? 

Bedaru, simple 
man YSR belongs to party, that belongs to Gandhi's 

So we has to support Gandhi, manaki inka no choice 

JAI GANDHI 
JOHAR YSR 

[Kool_SRG]

5 hours ago, NaChavNenuChasta said:

adenti svatantram techhindi CBN kada madhyalo gandhi bhagath singh evaru

CBN briefed them how to get it done he played back ground important role...

[Kontekurradu]

7 minutes ago, Kool_SRG said:

CBN briefed them how to get it done he played back ground important role...

what lokesam is doing at that time ?