కాపులకు 5 శాతం రిజర్వేషన్ ఇవ్వాలని డిమాండ్ చేశా.. కానీ బీజేపీ నేతలు ఒప్పుకోలేదు!: చంద్రబాబు....the one and only mouth twister politician of entire India Mr. CBN anni donga natakale

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4 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

Even if it is challenged in court, this Govt will bring in ordinance to over turn the order. 

 Overall, this case is weak..best case scenario la supreme may order reconsideration of the limits but the law as a whole is too weak to be stuck down in court. 

what do you mean? It is clearly in violation of constitution, that explicitly states that the purpose of reservation is representation in public institutions, and not poverty alleviation, or affirmative action (like in the US).

aren't uppercastes already way over represented in govt offices/universities? how can a reservation for them be justified at all?

 

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1 minute ago, uttermost said:

what do you mean? It is clearly in violation of constitution, that explicitly states that the purpose of reservation is representation in public institutions, and not poverty alleviation, or affirmative action (like in the US).

aren't uppercastes already way over represented in govt offices/universities? how can a reservation for them be justified at all?

 

Andhuke constitutional amendment chesaru. “Constitution” anedhi pinunchi oodi padaledhu kadha...

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9 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

Even if it is challenged in court, this Govt will bring in ordinance to over turn the order. 

Overall, this case is weak..best case scenario la supreme may order reconsideration of the limits but the law as a whole is too weak to be stuck down in court. 

The case is strong, but the political will to move against this is weak. DMK has filed a petition already, and they have good arguments, but cases are not won on arguments, so BJP will prevail.

in what way is the law strong, please tell. other than its support in both houses of parliament. really surprising akhilesh voted for this. where does this leave all the gujjars, patels, who were fighting for reservation. and kapus too.

will modi get away with this stunt, with just the uppercastes turning up to vote for him in large numbers? I want to see how this plays out.

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2 minutes ago, reality said:

Andhuke constitutional amendment chesaru. “Constitution” anedhi pinunchi oodi padaledhu kadha...

constitutional amendment aey kadha chesaru. constitution ni emi rewrite cheyyala kadha. It can be argued that it violates the original constitution.

they just included a clause that reservation can be applicable to economically weaker sections, other than sc/st and obcs. and the current govt's definition of 'weak' is an uppercaste family that makes less than 8L/annum. lol.

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18 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

Even if it is challenged in court, this Govt will bring in ordinance to over turn the order. 

Overall, this case is weak..best case scenario la supreme may order reconsideration of the limits but the law as a whole is too weak to be stuck down in court. 

yeah the govt has overwhelming support on this, and can go the ordinance route, safe in the knowledge it won't be overturned by a future govt.

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the only way this reservatin can be justified is if OC representation has fallen below their percentage of the population.

Did govt introduce any useful numbers in this regard? Or were they insisting that OCs falling even a little behind is unacceptable?

anyway, all this reservation is bullshit, when there are no govt jobs. Railways haven't recruited in a while it seems.. around 5lakhs jobs vacant I read somewhere.

 

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8 minutes ago, uttermost said:

constitutional amendment aey kadha chesaru. constitution ni emi rewrite cheyyala kadha. It can be argued that it violates the original constitution.

they just included a clause that reservation can be applicable to economically weaker sections, other than sc/st and obcs. and the current govt's definition of 'weak' is an uppercaste family that makes less than 8L/annum. lol.

I think the law follows amendment, not its original version? Am I missing something here?

I also have same opinion on 8L limit.

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23 minutes ago, uttermost said:

what do you mean? It is clearly in violation of constitution, that explicitly states that the purpose of reservation is representation in public institutions, and not poverty alleviation, or affirmative action (like in the US).

aren't uppercastes already way over represented in govt offices/universities? how can a reservation for them be justified at all?

 

What’s written in constitution that it ha violated ? The 50% figure is now changed to 60%. The constitution itself is changed now, how come it becomes illegal ? What will be the basis of strike down ?

I’m trying to pull up the bill from government gazette but I think it’s not updated online yet, Normally it should have published Monday itself...

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15 minutes ago, reality said:

I think the law follows amendment, not its original version? Am I missing something here?

I also have same opinion on 8L limit.

laws can be challenged in the court, and struck down. 

if its challenged based on 50% (useless) ceiling directive that SC gave a while back, the case is weak. that's what I think Halwa is referring to.

but I don't expect the law to be struck down in the Supreme Court, because Supreme Court is full of upper caste Hindus, and they will back their clan.

but technically, it s a violation of original constitution that was amended without much study of the issue.

personally, i don't think this is such a bad reservation (compared to decades of upper caste assholes mockery that reservation candidates had to face), but I am surprised why CBN asking for Kapu quota inside that EBC is such a disgusting thing, if what Modi did isn't disgusting.

I'm also mocking every uppercaste guy who cries on reservation from now on.

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10 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

What’s written in constitution that it ha violated ? The 50% figure is now changed to 60%. The constitution itself is changed now, how come it becomes illegal ? What will be the basis of strike down ?

 I’m trying to pull up the bill from government gazette but I think it’s not updated online yet, Normally it should have published Monday itself...

50% is not in the constitution. its a useless Supreme court directive that has been violated multiple times by many state govts. if that is the basis for the case, it will be weak.

constitution's idea of reservations (that no one should have reservations, but sc/st/obc are exceptions) has been violated, by including economically backward class into it. the bedrock of the consittution has been violated by a mindless, self serving, and contradictory amendment. 

In a fair supreme court, this will be struck down. but supreme court is full of brahmins, so they will simply take that 50% limit away (which they put to restrict other castes to receive reservation, not their own. they'll never let down their own).

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5 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

What’s written in constitution that it ha violated ? The 50% figure is now changed to 60%. The constitution itself is changed now, how come it becomes illegal ? What will be the basis of strike down ?

 I’m trying to pull up the bill from government gazette but I think it’s not updated online yet, Normally it should have published Monday itself...

how brilliant kadha.. everybody focusing on the 50% limit, so that SC can have a farcical hearing, and give some gyan to politicians, and approve the law.

nice drama, though  

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1 minute ago, uttermost said:

50% is not in the constitution. its a useless Supreme court directive that has been violated multiple times by many state govts. if that is the basis for the case, it will be weak.

constitution's idea of reservations has been violated, by including economically backward class into it. the bedrock of the consittution has been violated by a mindless, self serving, and contradictory amendment. 

In a fair supreme court, this will be struck down. but supreme court is full of brahmins, so they will simply take that 50% limit away (which they put to restrict other castes to receive reservation, not their own. they'll never let down their own).

Haryana has 70%, Tamil Nadu has 69%, Maharashtra has 68%,....

The base for deciding such numbers is the regional consensus and demographics. 

Usually these demographics are still based on the 2000 census and ofcourse 2010 census will also be taken into cos oderation. Again, it would be referred to a bench, another commission will look into issue, that will take years and recommendations implement will take few more decades...

This would be the outcome. 

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1 minute ago, uttermost said:

how brilliant kadha.. everybody focusing on the 50% limit, so that SC can have a farcical hearing, and give some gyan to politicians, and approve the law.

nice drama, though  

It’s a silly and stupid reservation. It just makes a mockery of economically backward people. The beneficiaries are hardly any...

It will some more time for the people to realize that this reservation is good for nothing but by then Elections would be over...

majority of the state’s already have scholarship plans, it’s better to include economically backward people under the scholarship scheme. 

You will assure a seat but where does this guy pay for the seat ? This law is so stupid. 

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2 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

It’s a silly and stupid reservation. It just makes a mockery of economically backward people. The beneficiaries are hardly any...

 It will some more time for the people to realize that this reservation is good for nothing but by then Elections would be over...

 majority of the state’s already have scholarship plans, it’s better to include economically backward people under the scholarship scheme. 

 You will assure a seat but where does this guy pay for the seat ? This law is so stupid. 

scholarships are the best. and increasing govt universities, and paying govt staff well, hiring more. more investment in education.

these are hard things. so they go for the easy route. target the uppercaste vote bank.

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2 hours ago, Kaalakeya said:

Veedu evadu man pichi LK gadu 5% oka caste ki  ivvataniki..idi ichi gelicheddam ane CM ga malla..Kakkurthi kukka gadu

Parliament 10 % reservation EBC valla ki ichindi bhayya(which is upper caste andulo kapu lu kuda unnaru anthe kani kapu la ki seprate ga emi ivvatamledu) enduku ra bhai nee batuku CBN, nee antha mouth twister politician desa charithra lo ne evaranna unnara, you dirty politician of entire India