Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

[jbourne]

3 minutes ago, uttermost said:

socialism is the natural consequence of capitalism, if the govt doesn't manipulate markets to benefit specific groups. It has nothing to do with leaders. in fact, all leaders are dangerous because the only thing they disagree with is, which area of markets should be manipulated.

Ocasio Cortez is not socialist. If she was, she wouldn't be voted. 

complete free and fair free market capitalism, will depress profit margins pretty quickly, and give rise to socialism (worker control of industries). i.e. being an owner under a free market has no benefits at all.

is communism can be equated to socialism ??

[uttermost]

Just now, jbourne said:

enduku ledu socialism lo chetha batch,

public sector companies India lo failure ki reason ee vallu kada. But they can be sometimes identified as capitalists.

India failure ki reason public sector kaadhu ba. Indian laziness, and caste mentality is the reason. adhi public sector lo kooda undhi. private sector lo kooda undhi.

socialism strict defnition prakaram, public sector companies doesn't mean socialism.. It's just state capitalism. socialist companies are cooperative societies. For eg. Mondragon in Spain, a perfect example of a successful worker controlled coop. The problems in that company are far too many to list.. haha.. for starters, most new workers don't want to be worker-owners, and just want to be workers.

so the issues are very complex. not as simple as calling particular model as trash. both capitalism and socialism are trash in different ways. and its up to people to find ways to work things out. As much as possible try to move towards a free market.

because that's when people involved in the market experience true freedom. socialism is definitely, at its most ideal, a million times better than capitalism. because its the next stage of evolution of human society. but our leaders don't want to go there. including Ocasio Cortez.

[jbourne]

1 minute ago, uttermost said:

India failure ki reason public sector kaadhu ba. Indian laziness, and caste mentality is the reason. adhi public sector lo kooda undhi. private sector lo kooda undhi.

socialism strict defnition prakaram, public sector companies doesn't mean socialism.. It's just state capitalism. socialist companies are cooperative societies. For eg. Mondragon in Spain, a perfect example of a successful worker controlled coop. The problems in that company are far too many to list.. haha.. for starters, most new workers don't want to be worker-owners, and just want to be workers.

so the issues are very complex. not as simple as calling particular model as trash. both capitalism and socialism are trash in different ways. and its up to people to find ways to work things out. As much as possible try to move towards a free market.

because that's when people involved in the market experience true freedom. socialism is definitely, at its most ideal, a million times better than capitalism. because its the next stage of evolution of human society. but our leaders don't want to go there. including Ocasio Cortez.

ekkado spain example cheptunnav AMUL is also one of that kinds kada how could you miss that ??

[uttermost]

3 minutes ago, jbourne said:

 is communism can be equated to socialism ??

yes. communism is like the political face of socialism. communism is the state of society where govt ceases to exist. There are no laws (common laws), no police etc. 

people wrongly attribute state capitalist model of Stalin Russia to communism. in fact, Stalin declared that Lenin (who was slightly more idealistic) idea of communism is unworkable, and that we can never get rid of the state. He used the lethargy of people to his benefit and gained more and more control of politics, and economy of the country.

that is not communism. Those who fought Lenin's Stalin's Russia (eg Nestor Makhno) were communists, but they called themselves anarchists.

[uttermost]

4 minutes ago, jbourne said:

ekkado spain example cheptunnav AMUL is also one of that kinds kada how could you miss that ??

yeah perfect example. naaku Amul gurinchi sarigga telidu but.

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