To all the chauvanists in this DB including Staysafebro

[DrBeta]

5 minutes ago, pootareku said:

Women are very precious they shouldn’t be oppressed or suppressed but protected all the time. I feel they are like little children who dream of a colourful life with someone who cares their feelings. Women are successful already. My mother made me what I am today. My sister imparted sense of responsibility. My wife/gf will teach me how to care. Women teach you how to live.

Exactly the attitude of the society that needs to be changed. A woman doesn't need to be protected but needs to be respected. A woman's duty is to not just raise children like you but to achieve her goals. Why are women associated with docile things in life? Why are women expected to do less in life because "they are women"?

[BDurruti]

5 minutes ago, pootareku said:

Women are very precious they shouldn’t be oppressed or suppressed but protected all the time. I feel they are like little children who dream of a colourful life with someone who cares their feelings. Women are successful already. My mother made me what I am today. My sister imparted sense of responsibility. My wife/gf will teach me how to care. Women teach you how to live.

women are no more precious than anyone else. and that includes my mother, sister and wife or any woman. treating them as special is the problem.

if you can challenge the toxic masculinity around you, do so. lets not attribute bullshit to women. women can be equally evil, conniving, irresponsible, selfish and all that. but that is not the issue here.

[Staysafebro]

6 minutes ago, pootareku said:

Women are very precious they shouldn’t be oppressed or suppressed but protected all the time. 

I agree. They can’t protect themselves so they need a  man to protect them. 

[DrBeta]

Just now, BDurruti said:

women are no more precious than anyone else. and that includes my mother, sister and wife or any woman. treating them as special is the problem.

if you can challenge the toxic masculinity around you, do so. lets not attribute bullshit to women. women can be equally evil, conniving, irresponsible, selfish and all that. but that is not the issue here.

I am glad we agree about this. 

[DrBeta]

Just now, Staysafebro said:

I agree. They can’t protect themselves so they need a  man to protect them. 

Whom should they be protected against?

[BDurruti]

4 minutes ago, DrBeta said:

Exactly the attitude of the society that needs to be changed. A woman doesn't need to be protected but needs to be respected. A woman's duty is to not just raise children like you but to achieve her goals. Why are women associated with docile things in life? Why are women expected to do less in life because "they are women"? 

women are expected to do less, because men are insecure. they cover it with pointless platitudes about respecting their mom sis etc.

women don't have to fight this toxic masculinity. They have to find alternate systems that lets them express their lives. They should show a big middle finger to all men, including men who act like they are nice, but will never stand up for them.

[BDurruti]

1 minute ago, DrBeta said:

Whom should they be protected against?

against people like him.

[DrBeta]

1 minute ago, BDurruti said:

women are expected to do less, because men are insecure. they cover it with pointless platitudes about respecting their mom sis etc.

women don't have to fight this toxic masculinity. They have to find alternate systems that lets them express their lives. They should show a big middle finger to all men, including men who act like they are nice, but will never stand up for them.

What I am trying to say all along, women shouldn't fight toxic masculinity because it's not worth it. What women need to do is to prove that they are better than these so called "masculine men". 

[DrBeta]

7 minutes ago, BDurruti said:

women are no more precious than anyone else. and that includes my mother, sister and wife or any woman. treating them as special is the problem.

if you can challenge the toxic masculinity around you, do so. lets not attribute bullshit to women. women can be equally evil, conniving, irresponsible, selfish and all that. but that is not the issue here.

We need more women who don't just act like selfless mothers who dream about their kids future. What about her *** dreams? What about her future? Isn't there more to a woman than being a mother?

[BDurruti]

1 minute ago, DrBeta said:

What I am trying to say all along, women shouldn't fight toxic masculinity because it's not worth it. What women need to do is to prove that they are better than these so called "masculine men". 

they can't prove it by working within the system created by men. I keep going back to lively opensource communities, where this debate has raged on isince the last 6-7yrs, culminated in linux foundation establishing new community rules that included 'no misogyny'.

without some women raising a voice, and creating an environment for women to work in peace within the network, lot of 'little girls with dreams' wont get their start.

tht particular fight started in freebsd community with one hacker girl talking about how some posters were needlessly bringing gamergate culture into their community, and then she was harassed for 3-4yrs on every corner of the internet. you have no idea how persistent and irritating these assholes can be. and I'm talking about hacker girls, not regular barbie doll ones. She was kicked off the FreeBSD core team, and the change in guidelines came much later. because a lot of people spoke up in her support in the meantime.

asking someone to up their game, is just the same as asking them to not bother your perfect little world. the world is messy, and you are part of it. and you contribute it, in your own way, even if you are the nicest sweetest person in the world.

[BDurruti]

4 minutes ago, DrBeta said:

We need more women who don't just act like selfless mothers who dream about their kids future. What about her *** dreams? What about her future? Isn't there more to a woman than being a mother? 

I don't know. its up to her.

[BDurruti]

btw, gamergate culture is the one where some gamers fought for their right to have female characters to have more prominent b00bs, while female gamers were arguing that it was an unrealistic portrayal of women in games.

this little fight, literally spawned a million communities on deep social media, that helped elect this piece of sh1t called Trump for a large part.

yes, the girls won the actual battle, because a lot of publishers agreed to be more representative of women in terms of how they are drawn in games.

[BDurruti]

1 out of every 3  little cretins on the internet that support donald Trump came from gamergate or the atheist community. rest are republicans and racists.

but these gamergate guys are the most intelligent Trump supporters you can ever find. not the kind that makes bullshit arguments like lastmanstanding here does.

[BDurruti]

misogyny drives a large part of society these days. so asking women to buckle up and work, or die, is like driving a needle into their injury.

[BDurruti]

37 minutes ago, DrBeta said:

We need more women who don't just act like selfless mothers who dream about their kids future. What about her *** dreams? What about her future? Isn't there more to a woman than being a mother?

first of all, I think you have it all wrong. No man/woman is an island (inspite of what Ayn Rand -who lived on govt dole, says). Everyone needs each other.

suppose you are made a program manager, and are entrusted to accomplish a certain technology. So you hire people to help you achieve that goal, and end up hiring 4 guys and a girl.

how would you react if the workplace is toxic to the girl? if she's constantly harassed, and is hit on by every member of the team, and is made to constantly play defense? will you tell the girl to prove taht she's worth more than all these 4 guys put together, so you can replace them, or ask her to shut the fcuk up and work harder?

I mean, I know you want the girl to swim against the tide and become successful, but are you, as the manager of that particular program willing to go against the tide, and ask the guys to stick to the schedule?

This is the case with every startup. really smart girls will rarely make it into the core programming team in a startup. should you be working towards making the environment better, or worse for them? I mean, do you care about the program's success or are willing to let the program be bulldozed by some guys who are too loud, and won't play ball?