Sadguru on twitter lol comedy

[ekunadam_enkanna]

Anyway, one doesn't need any guru to reach the stage of 'awakening'. However, a guru is needed after that. These days, gurus are those who can utter sanskrit verses,  provide 'interpretations', wear some kaashaaya vastras, does some charitable work, is not corrupt, etc. These guys are good, but won't help you much.

 

[Beardman]

7 minutes ago, ekunadam_enkanna said:

Anyway, one doesn't need any guru to reach the stage of 'awakening'. However, a guru is needed after that. These days, gurus are those who can utter sanskrit verses,  provide 'interpretations', wear some kaashaaya vastras, does some charitable work, is not corrupt, etc. These guys are good, but won't help you much.

 

The order 

Mother>Father>Guru >God

So, for some people god is the final destination without needing a guru

[Hector8]

5 minutes ago, Beardman said:

The order 

Mother>Father>Guru >God

So, for some people god is the final destination without needing a guru

IMO : prathi individual evolve ee order valla kadu... and pina unna 4 asalu consider loke raru most of the time.... individual evolution anedhi vallu perige situations, books, cultures, chuttu unde soceity impact chestay.... i dont understand this GUru term ..... how many of you have a GURU in ur lives ?

[Beardman]

36 minutes ago, Hector8 said:

IMO : prathi individual evolve ee order valla kadu... and pina unna 4 asalu consider loke raru most of the time.... individual evolution anedhi vallu perige situations, books, cultures, chuttu unde soceity impact chestay.... i dont understand this GUru term ..... how many of you have a GURU in ur lives ?

True

nenu evolution anatledhu

if mother father doesn't brainwash children about culture and religion( which only right parents doesn't do brainwash). If he doesnt find a guru (these days its better not to find one), he can connect to god directly without anyones help.

me: i dont have a guru, and i dont need to

[Hector8]

4 minutes ago, Beardman said:

True

nenu evolution anatledhu

if mother father doesn't teach about culture and religion. If he doesnt find a guru (these days its better not to find one), he can connect to god directly without anyones help.

me: i dont have a guru, and i dont need to

There is no GOD.

[Beardman]

10 minutes ago, Hector8 said:

There is no GOD.

Like there is day and night, good and evil, god exists and doesn’t exist at the same time. There is no other way to prove god, morality and consciousness plays major role in believing or not believing

[Rshiva]

22 minutes ago, Beardman said:

Like there is day and night, good and evil, god exists and doesn’t exist at the same time. There is no other way to prove god, morality and consciousness plays major role in believing or not believing

how about an intelligent designer(fine tuned). Some say the entire existence is cosmic fluke atheists like stephen hawking and richard dawkins who argue there is no need of god for us to exist , and life form is due to randomness and natural selection.But there are others ex:sephen thaller,  who say it is impossible for us to  exists without an intelligent design like everything has to be so fine tuned and precise that even  a slightest change(cosmological constant) in it would have not made the entire universe the way it is evolved know. still it is debatable between spiritual vs science when it comes to god.

[Moon_Walker]

1 hour ago, DaVinci said:

The topic here is about consciousness. Consciousness is defined differently per the modern science is the point. Also, here the speaker did not create complex terms, the lingo is in use, at least the documented part since many centuries. 

Adi topic consciousness ayina he uses memory, intellect, animate, inanimate, genetic, karmic, awake and anni kalipi All mixed fruit juice cheyyalani cheppadu.

Its not to belittle anyone but its just that practical ga i cant  correlate anything.

Theory la tho mana vedaalu, puraanalu ani sankalu guddukuntaaru but finally u dont have any direction or conclusion.

Mahabharath or Ramayana em chadivina but the reality of world is struggle for power, money and women. Inka akkada machi chedda emundhi...

Enni puraanalu thovvina its all about filling ur stomach no matter the cost and 3 letter word s## that drives the world.

 

[ekunadam_enkanna]

6 minutes ago, Rshiva said:

how about an intelligent designer(fine tuned). Some say the entire existence is cosmic fluke atheists like stephen hawking and richard dawkins who argue there is no need of god for us to exist , and life form is due to randomness and natural selection.But there are others ex:sephen thaller,  who say it is impossible for us to  exists without an intelligent design like everything has to be so fine tuned and precise that even  a slightest change(cosmological constant) in it would have not made the entire universe the way it is evolved know. still it is debatable between spiritual vs science when it comes to god.

Honestly, we heathens (hindus, buddhists, etc) don't understand Christianity/Islam/Judaism and their arguments. This intelligent design belongs right there--in the Semitic theology. You see, for Semites (Muslims, Jews, Christians), the Cosmos that was, is, and will be, is God's intention and creation. Our human products are not products of intention: even if you intend to cook rice, there are many other things (that are outside your control) that have to be present: for instance, a  bowl, a stove, gas/firewood, match box, even rice.  If one is stuck in some remote Alaska, just intention alone won't help you cook rice. When Semites talk about Intelligent design, they have something like this in their mind: the Cosmos is willed into existence by God. In the case of this God, will (intention) = cause.  That's why secular thinkers, theologians, Semites are enamored of the question of purpose of this Cosmos, not the cause/origin of this Cosmos. The big bang theory, or any better theory, is not what they are after. Who intended this big bang? God.

In sciences, what we look for causal antecedents, or causes that precede the outcome, in order to explain some phenomena. These Christians/Jews/Muslims look for what is the purpose behind some phenomena? If the phenomenon is the whole cosmos, whose intention is it?

If we look at our puraanas, our devas, devatas, can't even control their own lives. How can we take up this Christian approach to understand our devas, devatas, etc.

 

[DaVinci]

6 minutes ago, Moon_Walker said:

Adi topic consciousness ayina he uses memory, intellect, animate, inanimate, genetic, karmic, awake and anni kalipi All mixed fruit juice cheyyalani cheppadu.

Its not to belittle anyone but its just that practical ga i cant  correlate anything.

Theory la tho mana vedaalu, puraanalu ani sankalu guddukuntaaru but finally u dont have any direction or conclusion.

Mahabharath or Ramayana em chadivina but the reality of world is struggle for power, money and women. Inka akkada machi chedda emundhi...

Enni puraanalu thovvina its all about filling ur stomach no matter the cost and 3 letter word s## that drives the world.

 

The speaker did not mix up things. 

Your perception of the things may not be the truth, right? It is just that it is outside of your understanding.

Let me ask you this, do you have any practical experience through the methods mentioned in the theories you're quoting - to verify if what is being said is indeed truth? 

[Moon_Walker]

5 minutes ago, DaVinci said:

The speaker did not mix up things. 

Your perception of the things may not be the truth, right? It is just that it is outside of your understanding.

Let me ask you this, do you have any practical experience through the methods mentioned in the theories you're quoting - to verify if what is being said is indeed truth? 

Ade antunna asalu nee perception endhi to say my understanding is not right. U dont decide what others can perceive and how are u deciding what in whose purview?

practical experience cheppu ra yya aa theories ani etla implement cheyyalo vini tharisthaaa..

urike sollu veyyadam kaadu provide conclusive results and scientific evidence...

 

 

[Beardman]

وَلَا تَقۡفُ مَا لَـيۡسَ لَـكَ بِهٖ عِلۡمٌ ؕ اِنَّ السَّمۡعَ وَالۡبَصَرَ وَالۡفُؤَادَ كُلُّ اُولٰۤـئِكَ كَانَ عَنۡهُ مَسۡـُٔوۡلًا‏ 

(17:36) (xiii) Do not follow that of which you have no knowledge. Surely the hearing, the sight, the heart - each of these shall be called to account.⁴²

42. The meanings of “Do not follow that of which you have no knowledge” are very comprehensive. It demands that both in individual and collective life, one should not follow mere guess work and presumption instead of knowledge. This instruction covers all aspects of Islamic life, moral, legal, political, administrative and applies to science, arts and education. It has thus saved the society from numerous evils which are produced in human life by following guesswork instead of knowledge. The Islamic moral code demands: Guard against suspicion and do not accuse any individual or group without proper investigation. In law, it has been made a permanent principle that no action should be taken against anyone without proper investigation. It has been made unlawful to arrest, beat or imprison anyone on mere suspicion during investigation. In regards to foreign relations, the definite policy has been laid down that no action should be taken without investigation, nor should rumors be set afloat. Likewise in education the so called sciences based on mere guess work, presumptions and irrational theories have been disapproved. Above all, it cuts at the very root of superstitions, for this instruction teaches the believers to accept only that which is based on the knowledge imparted by Allah and His Messenger.

[DaVinci]

9 minutes ago, Moon_Walker said:

Ade antunna asalu nee perception endhi to say my understanding is not right. U dont decide what others can perceive and how are u deciding what in whose purview?

practical experience cheppu ra yya aa theories ani etla implement cheyyalo vini tharisthaaa..

urike sollu veyyadam kaadu provide conclusive results and scientific evidence...

 

 

I'm just asking you a question. I'm not deciding. You said he's mixing up things. How do you know that?  

Scientific evidence anedi explore chesthe telusthundi. Aayana cheppedi outright ga ridicule cheyyadam without exploration is not a scientific method per se. Sollu veyalsina avasaram naaku ledu. What he's saying is said by many realized people across different traditions and well documented. Take that up, inquire and then accept/not accept it. That's a scientific method. 

Practical experience anedi without exploring etla telusthundi? 

 

[Moon_Walker]

8 minutes ago, DaVinci said:

I'm just asking you a question. I'm not deciding. You said he's mixing up things. How do you know that?  

Scientific evidence anedi explore chesthe telusthundi. Aayana cheppedi outright ga ridicule cheyyadam without exploration is not a scientific method per se. Sollu veyalsina avasaram naaku ledu. What he's saying is said by many realized people across different traditions and well documented. Take that up, inquire and then accept/not accept it. That's a scientific method. 

Practical experience anedi without exploring etla telusthundi? 

 

Anyway leave it man. I am not accusing you of anything or don't want to belittle anything.

Its just different ways of looking at things. Lets hope there is some universal theory that is accepted with a conclusive evidence.

[Rshiva]

51 minutes ago, ekunadam_enkanna said:

Honestly, we heathens (hindus, buddhists, etc) don't understand Christianity/Islam/Judaism and their arguments. This intelligent design belongs right there--in the Semitic theology. You see, for Semites (Muslims, Jews, Christians), the Cosmos that was, is, and will be, is God's intention and creation. Our human products are not products of intention: even if you intend to cook rice, there are many other things (that are outside your control) that have to be present: for instance, a  bowl, a stove, gas/firewood, match box, even rice.  If one is stuck in some remote Alaska, just intention alone won't help you cook rice. When Semites talk about Intelligent design, they have something like this in their mind: the Cosmos is willed into existence by God. In the case of this God, will (intention) = cause.  That's why secular thinkers, theologians, Semites are enamored of the question of purpose of this Cosmos, not the cause/origin of this Cosmos. The big bang theory, or any better theory, is not what they are after. Who intended this big bang? God.

In sciences, what we look for causal antecedents, or causes that precede the outcome, in order to explain some phenomena. These Christians/Jews/Muslims look for what is the purpose behind some phenomena? If the phenomenon is the whole cosmos, whose intention is it?

If we look at our puraanas, our devas, devatas, can't even control their own lives. How can we take up this Christian approach to understand our devas, devatas, etc.

 

yeah. It is like if a crime happens inside a room instead of investigating  the room staying inside the room if we look for clues outside the room then we might get different perspective on the crime. same is with big bang they question who caused it to explode(investigated crime from outside the room) then the comes the why ? what ? etc on it goes on.Even some biologists challenged darwin's evolution of natural selection  who say it is beyond impossible for life  on earth to exists from single cell , DNA , RNA and mutuate out of randomness.That is the beauty of challenging existing belief systems and closing on reality.  But as we evolve scientific evidence has more weight right over spiritual and babas at least in  modern society.Take sadhguru himself in one of his video he was given the entire credit to Sri  ramanujan  for formulating the equations of  black holes , where the original idea of the concept itself is spawned from einstein minds and later developed. So in a way i felt he twisted facts which eventually get caught sooner or later.