SU-57 Russia's Most Advanced Aircraft

[timmy]

 

[Warangalbidda]

Tejas 🇮🇳

[Android_Halwa]

India's golden chance to get on board for the development of fifth generation advanced multi role stealth aircraft was lost with this project.

Su-57 is now ready to get commissioned and HAL is still retrofitting MiG 21's and upgrading Su-27's with imported kits from Israel. Su-57 was supposed to be a JV between UAC and HAL. As usual mana HAL incompetence valla poindi, less than a decade and this fighter jet is now getting ready fro mass production and HAL is still struck with assembly of second generation fighters.

PAK FA was golden chance for HAL...5th gen aircraft development ki direct access vunde, pogottukunnam..ipudu as usual HAL AMRC anukuntu dhol kodutunnam...repo mapo adi kuda scrap chestaru..

[Android_Halwa]

Vertical climb la missile launch...crazy kada..!!!

[timmy]

1 minute ago, Android_Halwa said:

Vertical climb la missile launch...crazy kada..!!!

adhi kooda steep vertical climb. yes india has missed a chance to jointly work on this 

[Spartan]

Rafael 

[Somedude]

5 hours ago, Android_Halwa said:

India's golden chance to get on board for the development of fifth generation advanced multi role stealth aircraft was lost with this project.

Su-57 is now ready to get commissioned and HAL is still retrofitting MiG 21's and upgrading Su-27's with imported kits from Israel. Su-57 was supposed to be a JV between UAC and HAL. As usual mana HAL incompetence valla poindi, less than a decade and this fighter jet is now getting ready fro mass production and HAL is still struck with assembly of second generation fighters.

PAK FA was golden chance for HAL...5th gen aircraft development ki direct access vunde, pogottukunnam..ipudu as usual HAL AMRC anukuntu dhol kodutunnam...repo mapo adi kuda scrap chestaru..

Arey nuvvu KA Paul la bhale chepthav edho peddha expert la . India lost golden chance na? Nee boggem kaadhu. India withdrew from that project in 2018. Ee Su-57 is nothing but product from PAK FA. India ki financial ga bokka. Initial plan was India to invest 5 billion $, Russia to invest 5 billion. It was joint venture HAL to contribute towards the composites and electronics. Sukhoi didn't share research with HAL from the start. And they limited HAL resources from their active research. 5 Billion contribution became 6 Billion with no active involvment of research and technology transfer. India walked away. India was not happy during the MMs Govt itself.

Naaku idhe gurthosthadhi nee posts choosthante.

[Somedude]

5 hours ago, timmy said:

adhi kooda steep vertical climb. yes india has missed a chance to jointly work on this 

India didn't miss man. Sukhoi needed money and they invloed India for money. There were complains from the start about the research involvment and technology transfer. The primary reason for India to join the project was to establish our figher jet manufacturing without reliance on other countries for technology. Thats not being fullfilled. We walked away. Initial investment of 5 billion became 6 billion wiht Sukhoi contributing only 4 billion (6 billion just for ToT, doesn't include HAL plan of 124 jets manufacturing at HAL). Some in HAL and the Govt thought that with less money we can buy SU-57 after its completion. We still have chance for ToT. Sukhoi needs money and India has been their biggest customer.

[Android_Halwa]

38 minutes ago, Somedude said:

Arey nuvvu KA Paul la bhale chepthav edho peddha expert la . India lost golden chance na? Nee boggem kaadhu. India withdrew from that project in 2018. Ee Su-57 is nothing but product from PAK FA. India ki financial ga bokka. Initial plan was India to invest 5 billion $, Russia to invest 5 billion. It was joint venture HAL to contribute towards the composites and electronics. Sukhoi didn't share research with HAL from the start. And they limited HAL resources from their active research. 5 Billion contribution became 6 Billion with no active involvment of research and technology transfer. India walked away. India was not happy during the MMs Govt itself.

Naaku idhe gurthosthadhi nee posts choosthante.

Hehe..

Wikipedia lo 15 years lo jarigindi 5 pages lo rasthe, adi nuv sadivesi, a 5 pages lo vunna matter ni 15 lines lo vesesi, Nuv K A Paul vi...mari Nuv endi, Pittala Dora va ?

[karthik25]

38 minutes ago, Somedude said:

India didn't miss man. Sukhoi needed money and they invloed India for money. There were complains from the start about the research involvment and technology transfer. The primary reason for India to join the project was to establish our figher jet manufacturing without reliance on other countries for technology. Thats not being fullfilled. We walked away. Initial investment of 5 billion became 6 billion wiht Sukhoi contributing only 4 billion (6 billion just for ToT, doesn't include HAL plan of 124 jets manufacturing at HAL). Some in HAL and the Govt thought that with less money we can buy SU-57 after its completion. We still have chance for ToT. Sukhoi needs money and India has been their biggest customer.

Bhayya..ee info source?

Also, 2016 lo chesina Rafale deal to transfer of technology unda?

[Somedude]

2 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

Hehe..

Wikipedia lo 15 years lo jarigindi 5 pages lo rasthe, adi nuv sadivesi, a 5 pages lo vunna matter ni 15 lines lo vesesi, Nuv K A Paul vi...mari Nuv endi, Pittala Dora va ?

expected the same from you. Wikipedia lo chadhivi cheppaledhu, has been dfollowing it for 11 years. At least nuvvu Wikipedia lo choosi ayina nerchukoni undalasindhi. KA Paul la kakunda.

[Android_Halwa]

36 minutes ago, Somedude said:

India didn't miss man. Sukhoi needed money and they invloed India for money. There were complains from the start about the research involvment and technology transfer. The primary reason for India to join the project was to establish our figher jet manufacturing without reliance on other countries for technology. Thats not being fullfilled. We walked away. Initial investment of 5 billion became 6 billion wiht Sukhoi contributing only 4 billion (6 billion just for ToT, doesn't include HAL plan of 124 jets manufacturing at HAL). Some in HAL and the Govt thought that with less money we can buy SU-57 after its completion. We still have chance for ToT. Sukhoi needs money and India has been their biggest customer.

Specifications and requirements match avaledu, India’s original expected target was 2018 which was not met, India wanted twin seated AJT’s as one version, Initially indigenous ga develop chesdam anukunaru, atarvata Sukhoi became UAC and opened doors for global collaborations which India was not interested...and a 124 edi aithe initial requirement vunde no, ipudu Ade change ayi 36 Rafael ayindi...

Itla chala factors vunai, ok FGFA development stage nundi tayar chesukune chance vunde, indigenous ga technology develop chesukune chance vunde..emaindi, adi kuda poindi..ToT lo cost reduction bagane vundi, mari time ? 
 

India is doing the same mistake again which it did previously, buying jets instead of focusing on improving the technology and go back and real once again, I said India lost golden change to be part of PAK-FA, development stage nundi design chesthe vache knowledge fully developed and assembled kit tho raadu ani...

 

Oorike Wikipedia la sadivi, ago K A Paul, Idigo Pittal Dora ante Lokesh Lo kalu esinatte

[Android_Halwa]

3 minutes ago, Somedude said:

expected the same from you. Wikipedia lo chadhivi cheppaledhu, has been dfollowing it for 11 years. At least nuvvu Wikipedia lo choosi ayina nerchukoni undalasindhi. KA Paul la kakunda.

Yep...expected answer ae...!!! 11 years nundi follow ayinav, kam se kam wiki sadivi aina post esthe bagundedi

#Pittal_Dora

[Somedude]

1 minute ago, karthik25 said:

Bhayya..ee info source?

Also, 2016 lo chesina Rafale deal to transfer of technology unda?

Source, you can Google man. I follow these two and they are the really good. You will find hard-core defence analysts there and people post official docs too - https://defenceforumindia.com/forum/s/indian-air-force.9/ and https://defence.pk/pdf/forums/indian-defence-forum.52/

About your Rafale question- ToT was part of intial MMRCA bidding. That's why Govt decided to for 10 billion. It ws biggest defence deal. In the revised deal (2016), I read in some news papers, ToT is not included (not from Govt official info)

[Somedude]

15 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

Specifications and requirements match avaledu, India’s original expected target was 2018 which was not met, India wanted twin seated AJT’s as one version, Initially indigenous ga develop chesdam anukunaru, atarvata Sukhoi became UAC and opened doors for global collaborations which India was not interested...and a 124 edi aithe initial requirement vunde no, ipudu Ade change ayi 36 Rafael ayindi...

Itla chala factors vunai, ok FGFA development stage nundi tayar chesukune chance vunde, indigenous ga technology develop chesukune chance vunde..emaindi, adi kuda poindi..ToT lo cost reduction bagane vundi, mari time ? 
 

India is doing the same mistake again which it did previously, buying jets instead of focusing on improving the technology and go back and real once again, I said India lost golden change to be part of PAK-FA, development stage nundi design chesthe vache knowledge fully developed and assembled kit tho raadu ani...

 

Oorike Wikipedia la sadivi, ago K A Paul, Idigo Pittal Dora ante Lokesh Lo kalu esinatte

So India missed the chance na? India lost the golden chance?

Chala factors unnayi. Nenu konne mention chesa. Nuvvu factors unnayi antav, India lost golden chance antav. Rey sarigga chadhuvukora ante vinaledhu.