Navagrahalu and their scientific accuracy

[DummyVariable]

How many celestial bodies should be added to this list?

[Spartan]

first part is...

Planets - I think observation was key for Science then and even now..  practically thinking, only those planets Sun, Mercury, Venus, Moon, Jupiter and Saturn were only visible to naked Eye.  Thats how they might have zeroed in on those planets.

Coming to Lunar nodes, North and South, just for the common mans terminology they might have grouped all the planets and nodes under the Graha's category.

even now..if u explain Lunar nodes , and how they traverse and be cause of Eclipses, india lo common man ki septe evadiki ekkadu...to make them simple..they grouped them as grahas..

As TrollBait pointed out, the scientific research then was conveyed in simple terms so that lay man can understand...and over the period of time...everything got fcked up...

 

same with the festivals....they were created to follow certain practices whcih would help to take advantage of what nature provides in that season...

kaani festivals they emerged more as a religious folkfore .....ignoring the scientific terms...

[bostonbro]

strictly my personal findings:

Greeks, babylonians, mesapatomians, sumerians were pioneers in finding the planets.

Indians might have got the information from mesopotamia and made gods for each planet, then fairy tales....we could be in a saints dream if we allow the schizophrenic mind in function like in inception movie.

WE COULD BE IN A SAINTS SIMULATION DREAM

 

[Spartan]

2 hours ago, bostonbro said:

strictly my personal findings:

Greeks, babylonians, mesapatomians, sumerians were pioneers in finding the planets.

Indians might have got the information from mesopotamia and made gods for each planet, then fairy tales....we could be in a saints dream if we allow the schizophrenic mind in function like in inception movie.

WE COULD BE IN A SAINTS SIMULATION DREAM

In Indian Mythology that saint is Brahma...

[Sarvapindi]

15 hours ago, zarathustra said:

These celestial bodies are named Surya (Sun), Chandra (Moon), Mangala (Mars), Budha (Mercury), Brihaspati (Jupiter), Shukra (Venus), Shani (Saturn), Rahu (North Lunar Node) and Ketu (South Lunar Node). 

Question: Among those, Sun is not even a planet it's a Star. Moon is not a planet either, a natural satellite. 

Why is the order of planets jumbled? Mars before Mercury, Jupiter before Venus etc. What about Uranus, Neptune and Pluto? 

Lunar nodes ni planets ani ela telcharu? Graha = Planet kadaa. 

What do you say experts

 

15 hours ago, zarathustra said:

These celestial bodies are named Surya (Sun), Chandra (Moon), Mangala (Mars), Budha (Mercury), Brihaspati (Jupiter), Shukra (Venus), Shani (Saturn), Rahu (North Lunar Node) and Ketu (South Lunar Node). 

Question: Among those, Sun is not even a planet it's a Star. Moon is not a planet either, a natural satellite. 

Why is the order of planets jumbled? Mars before Mercury, Jupiter before Venus etc. What about Uranus, Neptune and Pluto? 

Lunar nodes ni planets ani ela telcharu? Graha = Planet kadaa. 

What do you say experts? 

manollu Astrology rasinapudu uranus pluto neptune were not discovered yet...somehow they know grahas were 9...eventually it turns out to be true...chala vishayalu anthey..manollu epoudo cheppunavi later found 

[TrollBait]

3 minutes ago, Sarvapindi said:

 

manollu Astrology rasinapudu uranus pluto neptune were not discovered yet...somehow they know grahas were 9...eventually it turns out to be true...chala vishayalu anthey..manollu epoudo cheppunavi later found 

Indians were under british rule when western science took off. migatha antha waste maatalu.

Indian products were not allowed to be sold even in local markets. No incentive for any enterprising Indian to be innovative, other than work with the british to exploit local resources.

[Daaarling]

15 hours ago, zarathustra said:

These celestial bodies are named Surya (Sun), Chandra (Moon), Mangala (Mars), Budha (Mercury), Brihaspati (Jupiter), Shukra (Venus), Shani (Saturn), Rahu (North Lunar Node) and Ketu (South Lunar Node). 

Question: Among those, Sun is not even a planet it's a Star. Moon is not a planet either, a natural satellite. 

Why is the order of planets jumbled? Mars before Mercury, Jupiter before Venus etc. What about Uranus, Neptune and Pluto? 

Lunar nodes ni planets ani ela telcharu? Graha = Planet kadaa. 

What do you say experts? 

No . In Vedic Cosmology there is no upa graha  all are Grahas including Sun and Moon moreover it is Geocentric.

[TrollBait]

3 hours ago, zarathustra said:

I never mocked about anything here, it's a honest question that I've been trying to find answers to. 

I do understand the scientific basis behind some of our beliefs, my question was geared more towards the fact that when these planets were classified we e still haven't had powerful telescopes that could account for the ones missing in the list. But with the addition of those, shouldn't these navagrahalu be re arranged as well.

Also wasn't sure about the reason behind the jumbled order of hierarchy. 

I didn't mean you at all in my response. It was a general comment.

[zarathustra]

7 hours ago, Sarvapindi said:

 

manollu Astrology rasinapudu uranus pluto neptune were not discovered yet...somehow they know grahas were 9...eventually it turns out to be true...chala vishayalu anthey..manollu epoudo cheppunavi later found 

But they aren't all the same. Surya aka Sun is a star, moon is a natural satellite so how did they know there were going to be 9 planets.

Oh also, Pluto isnt a planet technically. It's a dwarf planet. So your explanation doesn't hold water here. You are saying they included the 2 lunar nodes since they wanted to get to the magical figure of 9?

[zarathustra]

6 hours ago, Daaarling said:

No . In Vedic Cosmology there is no upa graha  all are Grahas including Sun and Moon moreover it is Geocentric.

So it's based on an outdated geocentric model of the universe.  Since we know now it isnt true, what's the point in performing navagraha puja as its based on a falsified belief and outdated science. 

[TrollBait]

44 minutes ago, zarathustra said:

So it's based on an outdated geocentric model of the universe.  Since we know now it isnt true, what's the point in performing navagraha puja as its based on a falsified belief and outdated science. 

ee quechen 15th century lo Indians adigindaala.. hehe...

but ultimately I think rituals are still gonna persist based on 4th century bc beliefs. In India, it persists even among the educated and the professional class. adhey ghoram.

[emitlu]

22 hours ago, TrollBait said:

first of all, we have to agree that there was some legitimate science and astronomical works in ancient India, but they were lost in petty squabbles, while western civilizations worked on them continuously perfecting their science.

after 2000yrs now to bring up ancient Indian astronomy both as an object of veneration and as an object of mockery is totally pointless.

Indian knowledge was lost. and the current Indians should try to build on what's is available in the modern world than trying to romanticize as if India was the center of universe back then.

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