Why the new Farm Bills make sense

[Prasadgeek33]

This is not a right wing or left wing issue nor about BJP or Some other party. India is a grain surplus country now. It is about insecurity of farmers. The farmers have been used to growing just these two crops because of free electricity and MSP. This saves them from price fluctuations associated with other crops. 

The issue with the Huge amount of rice and wheat cultivation being done by Punjab and Haryana. This is farm product that is not being consumed and we are spending tax payers money to buy it and then store in Units where it is rotting. If government today opens these FCI storages, the market price for rice and wheat will collapse completely. 

The Agriculture Produce Marketing Regulation (APMR) Act  has already been nearly scrapped by 12 state government. Modifying the APMR act allowed Rythu bazaars and other similar markets in Karnataka, TN etc. 

The huge production of rice and wheat is highly harmful in the following ways;

1. They consume a huge amount of ground water using the free electricity provided by state government

2. The amount of Urea used for this grain cultivation spoils the water table and leeches into the rivers. The stubble burning causes huge smog clouds which spreads all across North India

3. Farmers are not growing other crops like millets, dals etc. 

5. Also the farmers are not being compensated properly for this crop. MSP just meets the minimum. 

6. India in fact imported huge amounts of Dals and pulses from Africa to meet our needs. Even if  some percentage of these farmers move to other crops, it would make our pulses deficit go away

7. India imports a huge amount of Palm oil (around 5 billion dollars worth). If we can move the farmers to other crops, we can decrease these imports.

8. Farmers are already exposed to the corporates as they buy seeds, fertilizers etc all through corporates. It is not as if corporates are not at all there in farming.

9. No corporate will buy at MSP, as nobody needs the product. The government is buying it as a kind of price control. 

Haryana government actually pays farmers, who move from rice and wheat to other crops. They pay around 7000 additional per acre to farmers who move to other crops. This scheme was a big success. 

Also in the long term the percentage of people depending on farming should go down. farmers should move to some other crops. The government has to facilitate it. In long term how long will government will spend money to buying crop which will rot in the FCI yards. 

One of the worst things that Modi has done from an economic point of view, is keeping prices low artificially. They should let prices of Agricultural commodities go up that would benefits farmers. Whenever prices of onions or dals go up, the middle class and associated voices raise a big ruckus. But nobody cares when onion prices or tomato prices go as low as 2 rupees a Kilo. The price controls have served to keep farmers poor. When ever farmers have been able to sell without middle men, they have moved out of grains and grown other things. For example, Rythu Bazaars have helped Farmers a lot. 

[Spartan]

ye e lolli anta enduk vayya maaku...

Ambani Adani gallaki raasi pedtunnaru desham anta....ani morigite sari...

[Pappu_Packitmaar]

The MSP era has to go away and market dependent policy should come into effect. Market should decide the price. You can't just keep on producing food grains for ever, It has reached its peak and farmers are producing something that has no value any more. Just because Govt is buying and MSP should not be the reason for farming.

[nag_mama]

[Spartan]

9 minutes ago, Prasadgeek33 said:

One of the worst things that Modi has done from an economic point of view, is keeping prices low artificially. They should let prices of Agricultural commodities go up that would benefits farmers. Whenever prices of onions or dals go up, the middle class and associated voices raise a big ruckus. But nobody cares when onion prices or tomato prices go as low as 2 rupees a Kilo. The price controls have served to keep farmers poor. When ever farmers have been able to sell without middle men, they have moved out of grains and grown other things. For example, Rythu Bazaars have helped Farmers a lot. 

@Prasadgeek33  anta bagane undi..

but Modi place lo ye govt unna... cannot satisfy  both of them....

this bill is beginning of bringing that balance......

<3da fiberal gallaki Modi govt edi chesina blind oppose cheyadam ...blind bhakths ani mockery cheyadam tappa...

bill enduku pedtunnaru anedi alochincharu.....

[Spartan]

Just now, nag_mama said:

Total price control ivvatledu private players ki....

Govt will have control on the pricing ani cheptunnar ga bill lo..

ilanti fake news lu spred chesi panikoche bills ni kuda m guduputunnaru...

[nag_mama]

1 minute ago, Spartan said:

Total price control ivvatledu private players ki....

Govt will have control on the pricing ani cheptunnar ga bill lo..

ilanti fake news lu spred chesi panikoche bills ni kuda m guduputunnaru...

inthakumundu appadappudu onion rate 100rs/kg ki velli back vachhedi, ee bill tarvathaa inkaa aa chance vundademo okkasari 100 ki reached ante inkaa akkade vunchutaaremo rate

[Spartan]

1 minute ago, nag_mama said:

inthakumundu appadappudu onion rate 100rs/kg ki velli back vachhedi, ee bill tarvathaa inkaa aa chance vundademo okkasari 100 ki reached ante inkaa akkade vunchutaaremo rate

might depend on output also right..

over produce aite..private vadu kuda enta ani nilipukuntadu demand lekapote..

[Pappu_Packitmaar]

7 minutes ago, nag_mama said:

inthakumundu appadappudu onion rate 100rs/kg ki velli back vachhedi, ee bill tarvathaa inkaa aa chance vundademo okkasari 100 ki reached ante inkaa akkade vunchutaaremo rate

@nag_mama You are the perfect type of audience fake news people looking for. 

[nag_mama]

3 minutes ago, Pappu_Packitmaar said:

@nag_mama You are the perfect type of audience fake news people looking for. 

emo doubt vachindi, ippudu petrol ne ticukunte international market lo periginappudalla penchukuntu poyaaru, kaani akkada tagginappudu emanna taggincharaaa lede 

[Pappu_Packitmaar]

Just now, nag_mama said:

emo doubt vachindi, ippudu petrol ne ticukunte international market lo periginappudalla penchukuntu poyaaru, kaani akkada tagginappudu emanna taggincharaaa lede 

Ledu, taggincharu. Enduku ante Nuv anukuntunna logic prakaram petrol pricing naduvadu kabatti...

Quarterly losses to oil companies ni consider chesi, last quarter Lo oil marketing mida loss vasthe, that will be covered in the next two quarters. Ante, Jan-March madhyalo OMC’a ki loss vasthe, adi April-Sept madhyalo recover chestaru...anthe kani international market la oil price taggithe, bunk la endi increase ayitundi anukunte...antha Andhra Pradesh ae aitadi

[nokia123]

30 minutes ago, Spartan said:

Total price control ivvatledu private players ki....

Govt will have control on the pricing ani cheptunnar ga bill lo..

ilanti fake news lu spred chesi panikoche bills ni kuda m guduputunnaru...

When govt Itself is in control of corporates.. how can govt control prices ?

[Prasadgeek33]

18 minutes ago, nag_mama said:

There are fundamental flaws to the above arguments.

1. It costs a lot of money to store any kind of Farm/grain product. So even corporations cannot store product for a long time. Also there will be wastage and loss in storage by rats, natural rotting etc. 

For example in countries like US, where corporations even do agriculture prices have not gone really high up. Infact US has one of the lowest agro product pricing. 

2. When there is a lot of demand for any thing, the farmers will get the chance to sell to anybody. even directly to users. The farmers can also demand higher prices if prices go up. It is not like only 2 corporates will be buyers. 

3. If demand really skyrockets prices will go up and new sellers will enter the market to meet the demand. That will stabilize the prices.

The government will also have some oversight of the markets. The above fears is of the control markets from the 1980's.

For Example when PVNR liberalized in 1990 same fears were spread, But none of the fears never became reality.

4. Did Rythu bazaars increase vegetable prices? 

 

[Spartan]

5 minutes ago, nokia123 said:

When govt Itself is in control of corporates.. how can govt control prices ?

  discussion ends there... 

[NiranjanGaaru]

Hehe nen lekunda BJP meeda disco naa lite... 

I will not disco on these farm bills