Those who say “anti national”

[narsy]

30 minutes ago, perugu_vada said:

Uncle who says nri’s dont pay taxes ? Actually nri’s are the one’s who will always pay tax in India, for the properties they bought or for FD’s they had in India

inka y preferring to stay outside of India ante, then y are ppl leaving their hometowns and staying in cities and buying properties in cities, by leaving their hometowns unchanged ?

 

none of this matters. what matters is how you treat fellow humans. atleast notionally.

 

[RajNeethi]

1 minute ago, narsy said:

I'd put people who love India also in the same category as those that support BJP.

Loving India is the gateway to poisonous sh1t like HIndutva. 

I mean, if you delegitimize Kashmir freedom, or equate their struggle with India's occupation, it doesn't matter if you are hindutva or not. you are the same as them technically. or you'll get there eventually.

This is where anti-bhakths are failing miserably. Its like giving bhakhs a weapon. There is nothing like ‘loving India’ concept. In fact, bhakths hate India more than anyone else, as they support division and destruction. They just use ‘loving India’ as an electoral slogan and vote-consolidation factor, much like Trump supporters carried American flags to show their ‘patriotism’.

So, in a way your statement makes it easier for them. Anti-bhakths can’t win by criticizing India or Hinduism. Criticize saffron-hinduism instead, the one these idiots owned. Expose their fake patriotism instead of calling patriotism as fake.

[narsy]

8 minutes ago, RajNeethi said:

This is where anti-bhakths are failing miserably. Its like giving bhakhs a weapon. There is nothing like ‘loving India’ concept. In fact, bhakths hate India more than anyone else, as they support division and destruction. They just use ‘loving India’ as an electoral slogan and vote-consolidation factor, much like Trump supporters carried American flags to show their ‘patriotism’.

So, in a way your statement makes it easier for them. Anti-bhakths can’t win by criticizing India or Hinduism. Criticize saffron-hinduism instead, the one these idiots owned. Expose their fake patriotism instead of calling patriotism as fake.

how do bhakths hate India? They don't hate India. They have a specific vision for India that is different from non-bhakts, thats all. I mean, for all practical purposes, both bhakts and non-bhakts share the same end goal - a prosperous India, that benefits its citizens.

what both of them miss is - India is just an idea, one that is fungible, and should be discarded if it doesn't work. or be open to changes to make it work.

because unless you are willing to discard India, or threaten its integrity, you cannot make India great. Everyone is stuck with each other, whether under fascist rule or liberal rule is immaterial.

what we see is, this idea of India hardening ever since Independence, starting with Nehru. All this sh1t didn't start with Modi. Modi is just using the structure 'liberal' congress created for him and his bhakts.

yeah, I know regular people will be put off by what I say. But I'm not saying it for regular people. I'm saying it for bhakts. I want them to stfu. They are intimidated by someone who pretends to know more than they do. 

that's why they find it harder to argue with me, than for instance, if you bring up lack of paying taxes as disqualifying factor to comment on India. That line of argument is easily dismantled. Mine. Not easy. I'm not boasting. I'm just vomiting sh1t I read elsewhere. that's all.

 

 

[narsy]

21 minutes ago, RajNeethi said:

This is where anti-bhakths are failing miserably. Its like giving bhakhs a weapon. There is nothing like ‘loving India’ concept. In fact, bhakths hate India more than anyone else, as they support division and destruction. They just use ‘loving India’ as an electoral slogan and vote-consolidation factor, much like Trump supporters carried American flags to show their ‘patriotism’.

So, in a way your statement makes it easier for them. Anti-bhakths can’t win by criticizing India or Hinduism. Criticize saffron-hinduism instead, the one these idiots owned. Expose their fake patriotism instead of calling patriotism as fake.

I think you don't understand bhakts enough. I understand them rather well. i was a bhakt. 

Every liberal patriotic argument you put forth will logically only lead to bhakt territory. It is unavoidable. 

ofcourse mocking patriotism like I do, is bullshit. I agree. It serves no purpose,. because there's no conversation.  But what I post is a clear alternative to bhakt world. Liberal patriotism is not the alternative.

also, no one gives a fcuk to what I post here. If they did, I would think twice about what I post.

 

[narsy]

30 minutes ago, RajNeethi said:

This is where anti-bhakths are failing miserably. Its like giving bhakhs a weapon. There is nothing like ‘loving India’ concept. In fact, bhakths hate India more than anyone else, as they support division and destruction. They just use ‘loving India’ as an electoral slogan and vote-consolidation factor, much like Trump supporters carried American flags to show their ‘patriotism’.

So, in a way your statement makes it easier for them. Anti-bhakths can’t win by criticizing India or Hinduism. Criticize saffron-hinduism instead, the one these idiots owned. Expose their fake patriotism instead of calling patriotism as fake.

Also I don't expect people to engage with me.

[csrcsr]

7 minutes ago, narsy said:

Also I don't expect people to engage with me.

Anna nee posts masthu esinav kaani okati cheptuna rasuko anna 

BJP will rule this country again in next election (i am.telling bjp alone will get the seats and more with NDA) dini mida nuvu ekadiki povu nenu ekadiki ponu

Mana rahul anna vastada , venaka 10 chemchalau ni esukoni vastada ramanu BJP will rule this country for next 10ywar rasukondi whether you like it or don't like it thats the fact and reality  iga nee istam we can talk alu emi chestaru emi cheyatledu thats q different story, every one has right to critize govt chesukondi

Mana telugu states lo qduthuna dramalu natakalu kuda cut chestaru 

Also Andhra state ki BJP should do and allocate something at least polavaram complete chesi unna amaravathi ni mari dream.land laga akapoyina at least base capital ga finish cheyali daniki center funds iayali(on this context i hate central govt too)

[RajNeethi]

33 minutes ago, narsy said:

I think you don't understand bhakts enough. I understand them rather well. i was a bhakt. 

Every liberal patriotic argument you put forth will logically only lead to bhakt territory. It is unavoidable. 

ofcourse mocking patriotism like I do, is bullshit. I agree. It serves no purpose,. because there's no conversation.  But what I post is a clear alternative to bhakt world. Liberal patriotism is not the alternative.

also, no one gives a fcuk to what I post here. If they did, I would think twice about what I post.

 

See, there are only two ways to defeat bhakths and their stupidity. One is, power through democratic process and the other through radicalism or civil war. The later is impossible, at least at this point. The only proactive measure is to defeat them in electoral process. And any comments about bhakths patriotism and their majority-favoritisms will serve as campaign tools for their benefit and consolidate votes.

I never said to have some kind of patriotism or pro Hindu-inclination to counter Bhakths. All I said was, how the certain criticism is becoming counterproductive.

I in fact said this,  “There is nothing like ‘loving India’ concept.” And so, there is no liberal patriotism or anything of that sort. And  likewise, to extend even further, there is nothing like loving a particular religion.

[RajNeethi]

25 minutes ago, narsy said:

also, no one gives a fcuk to what I post here. If they did, I would think twice about what I post.

Fair enough. When I say, your statement, it literally means your statement.... there are many people with this notion, that is helping mudddi bhakths.

[narsy]

47 minutes ago, RajNeethi said:

This is where anti-bhakths are failing miserably. Its like giving bhakhs a weapon. There is nothing like ‘loving India’ concept. In fact, bhakths hate India more than anyone else, as they support division and destruction. They just use ‘loving India’ as an electoral slogan and vote-consolidation factor, much like Trump supporters carried American flags to show their ‘patriotism’.

So, in a way your statement makes it easier for them. Anti-bhakths can’t win by criticizing India or Hinduism. Criticize saffron-hinduism instead, the one these idiots owned. Expose their fake patriotism instead of calling patriotism as fake.

Bhakts want muslims to accept the Hindu hegemony in India and learn to live with it. In their mind, its the reasonable thing to expect since muslims have dozens of countries to settle down in.

I mean, there is a liberal argument against that position. but everyone (even anti bhakts) wants peace and prosperity over muslim assertion.

even a lot of muslims(especially well off muslims) will be okay with this deal. I'm not kidding.

but is it gonna make India prosperous? Only in dreams. India's faultlines run way deeper than just religion. 

again, attacking Indian patriotism is not helpful, I agree. But show me a liberal position that doesn't throw any particular group under the bus to achieve the idea of India. One that regular people are comfortable agreeing with.

There's no such position, other than dismantling of the giant state of India. people may not even notice it, if it is done behind the scenes. Every liberal diktat you give from above, will create a hindutva reaction among the people.

anti bhakts cannot stop it. because you guys are in denial about the truth that majority of Indians are in fact bhakts.

[narsy]

22 minutes ago, csrcsr said:

Anna nee posts masthu esinav kaani okati cheptuna rasuko anna 

BJP will rule this country again in next election (i am.telling bjp alone will get the seats and more with NDA) dini mida nuvu ekadiki povu nenu ekadiki ponu

Mana rahul anna vastada , venaka 10 chemchalau ni esukoni vastada ramanu BJP will rule this country for next 10ywar rasukondi whether you like it or don't like it thats the fact and reality  iga nee istam we can talk alu emi chestaru emi cheyatledu thats q different story, every one has right to critize govt chesukondi

Mana telugu states lo qduthuna dramalu natakalu kuda cut chestaru 

Also Andhra state ki BJP should do and allocate something at least polavaram complete chesi unna amaravathi ni mari dream.land laga akapoyina at least base capital ga finish cheyali daniki center funds iayali(on this context i hate central govt too)

nenu potha uncle. I'm working on turning a short story of mine into a comic book, and write and publish more such.

I don't tihnk I'll be posting for a lot longer.

I'll post that comic book here once I'm done. Its sci fi.. about 50 pages. 

[narsy]

13 minutes ago, RajNeethi said:

See, there are only two ways to defeat bhakths and their stupidity. One is, power through democratic process and the other through radicalism or civil war. The later is impossible, at least at this point. The only proactive measure is to defeat them in electoral process. And any comments bhakths patriotism and their majority-favoritisms will serve as campaign tools for their benefit and consolidate votes.

I never said to have some kind of patriotism or pro Hindu-inclination to counter Bhakths. All I said was, how the certain criticism is becoming counterproductive.

I in fact said this,  “There is nothing like ‘loving India’ concept.” And so, there is no liberal patriotism or anything of that sort. And  likewise, to extend even further, there is nothing like loving a particular religion.

bhaktism is inherent to Indian society, bhayya. Its the manifestation of casteism, feudalism etc, and takes various different forms. In the modern economy, it took the form of bhaktism. 

I don't expect any revolution. I just expect lower castes/class to get disillusioned with hindutva and move away from it. and start creating their own structures to demand their share.

anything other than that would be just drop in the ocean for fighting hindutva.

liberals are ill equipped to fight Hindutva. the lower class hates us. believe me. I spent 6 months in India living among the lowest urban class. liberals have nothing to offer them. Hindutva also doesn't, but its a shiny new toy for them. soon they will discard it.

we just have to hope that they do.

whatever arguments or debates we have here about this is just being inside an upper class echo chamber.

[RajNeethi]

6 minutes ago, narsy said:

Bhakts want muslims to accept the Hindu hegemony in India and learn to live with it. In their mind, its the reasonable thing to expect since muslims have dozens of countries to settle down in.

I mean, there is a liberal argument against that position. but everyone (even anti bhakts) wants peace and prosperity over muslim assertion.

even a lot of muslims(especially well off muslims) will be okay with this deal. I'm not kidding.

but is it gonna make India prosperous? Only in dreams. India's faultlines run way deeper than just religion. 

again, attacking Indian patriotism is not helpful, I agree. But show me a liberal position that doesn't throw any particular group under the bus to achieve the idea of India. One that regular people are comfortable agreeing with.

There's no such position, other than dismantling of the giant state of India. people may not even notice it, if it is done behind the scenes. Every liberal diktat you give from above, will create a hindutva reaction among the people.

anti bhakts cannot stop it. because you guys are in denial about the truth that majority of Indians are in fact bhakts.

Hindu-muslim hatred is a manufactured one planted by Blow Job Pundakors, period. India never had such issues before BJP-prime era. Its a very volatile factor and will disappear with the demise of BJP or at least their ideology. 

[narsy]

17 minutes ago, RajNeethi said:

Fair enough. When I say, your statement, it literally means your statement.... there are many people with this notion, that is helping mudddi bhakths.

the only way to fight bhakts is to offer the lower classes more power. liberals are not willing to do it. that's the truth. 

Hindutva is exploiting it. but I'm hopeful that it won't be for long. 

because the inherent contradiction within hindutva for taking up lower class issues is simply too much. For example, they couldn't face TN people after their stand to impose entrance exams on the state. because in TN, these people have a voice, and are not drowned out by liberal/meritocratic voices that support exams.

All that is reqd is, rest of the country to take that route and demand more of BJP. They cant deliver it. and they can't use pakistan all the time. They will have to lose significant constituencies that they attracted through religion.

[Ayodhyaramayyaips]

6 minutes ago, RajNeethi said:

Hindu-muslim hatred is a manufactured one planted by Blow Job Pundakors, period. India never had such issues before BJP-prime era. Its a very volatile factor and will disappear with the demise of BJP or at least their ideology. 

Nope yaar it'ss much more complicated than you think...basic religious premise of Islam won't allow that to happen...at most you can have certain terms with peace...that's it...

[narsy]

6 minutes ago, RajNeethi said:

Hindu-muslim hatred is a manufactured one planted by Blow Job Pundakors, period. India never had such issues before BJP-prime era. Its a very volatile factor and will disappear with the demise of BJP or at least their ideology. 

It was actually manufactured by Congress in the 1920s. 

the hate simmers underneath friendly smiles, and bhai bhai outward postures. But ofcourse, there are millions of examples of hindu-muslim friendship too. the default is hatred though. on both sides.

less on the muslim side, I think.