What will happen to countries when median age of a country reaches 50+

[Amrita]

1 minute ago, PilliBeta said:

Italy is 47.3 in 2020 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/275395/median-age-of-the-population-in-italy/

Explains why so many people died there. 

Yeah i was expecting may be 50+ . cool. Thanks 

[PilliBeta]

1 minute ago, PilliBeta said:

Italy is 47.3 in 2020 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/275395/median-age-of-the-population-in-italy/

Explains why so many people died there. 

 

1 minute ago, DummyVariable said:

Italy is 47.3, UK is 40.3. 

[DummyVariable]

Just now, PilliBeta said:

 

Italy is 47.3, UK is 40.3. 

UK has immigration though and a population that is willing to reproduce. Most European countries have regressive immigration policies and it will increase the median age given that they are free societies.

[Ryzen_renoir]

23 minutes ago, DummyVariable said:

Moving away from patriarchy destroyed the institution of marriage and it is not a big surprise. It is not only Greece and Japan, but also many European countries that are seeing an increase in median age. It will be a shining example of how unwarranted freedom to certain sections of the society will lead to degeneracy and degradation. Pellodhdhu, pillalodhdhu ante itlane ayithadhi. Ippudu cry chesi em laabham. Immigration will only stop  this rot so much. Once the immigrants become the flora and fauna of the country, you are back to square one because of these illogical ideals. 

ROFL it has nothing to do with patriarchy , japan still has rigid patriarchal society. Mostly has to do with rising incomes and raising a child has become increasingly become economically hard

[DummyVariable]

24 minutes ago, Ryzen_renoir said:

ROFL it has nothing to do with patriarchy , japan still has rigid patriarchal society. Mostly has to do with rising incomes and raising a child has become increasingly become economically hard

Things have changed my friend. There is a lot of freedom in Japanese society these days. If it was so rigid, why are people not getting married then? Why is the number of people not getting married rising? Sure, it might be costly to raise a child, but it should not be costly to get married. There is a clear choice for people and they are preferring freedom over having children.

[PilliBeta]

33 minutes ago, DummyVariable said:

Moving away from patriarchy destroyed the institution of marriage and it is not a big surprise. It is not only Greece and Japan, but also many European countries that are seeing an increase in median age. It will be a shining example of how unwarranted freedom to certain sections of the society will lead to degeneracy and degradation. Pellodhdhu, pillalodhdhu ante itlane ayithadhi. Ippudu cry chesi em laabham. Immigration will only stop  this rot so much. Once the immigrants become the flora and fauna of the country, you are back to square one because of these illogical ideals. 

You have unlimited sperm to impregnate as many eggs as possible, but there are only so many eggs that can be fertilized. If half of the world population should be blamed for this, then it's better to outsource reproduction and do this business in vitro. But telling someone to have kids for the future of the nation is like telling someone to stop using plastic to save turtles. Given the choice between my freedom and the future of mankind, it's not a hard choice to make. 

[narsy]

wtf is this thread? what does immigration have to do with median age?

[PilliBeta]

1 minute ago, narsy said:

wtf is this thread? what does immigration have to do with median age?

I am trying to correlate the performance of a country to it's median age. It explains a lot of things, beginning from scientific discoveries, technological advancements to even response to coronavirus. If you mess with the natural flow of population increase like China did, there are adverse effects like 4-2-1 problem. Immigration influences the median age as well. 

[narsy]

4 minutes ago, DummyVariable said:

Things have changed my friend. There is a lot of freedom in Japanese society these days. If it was so rigid, why are people not getting married then? Why is the number of people not getting married rising? Sure, it might be costly to raise a child, but should not be costly to get married. There is a clear choice for people and they are preferring freedom over having children.

when was the last time Japan had fertility rate above replacement level? 

answer - mid 1980s. 

so moving away from patriarchy(if it is true, of which I'm not sure) itself is the consequence of growing wealth. eventually, immigration is unavoidable. Its not some ideal. It is the reality of the world.

no one ethnic group can claim a place for themselves forever. If they think they can, they are just being silly

[DummyVariable]

12 hours ago, PilliBeta said:

You have unlimited sperm to impregnate as many eggs as possible, but there are only so many eggs that can be fertilized. If half of the world population should be blamed for this, then it's better to outsource reproduction and do this business in vitro. But telling someone to have kids for the future of the nation is like telling someone to stop using plastic to save turtles. Given the choice between my freedom and the future of mankind, it's not a hard choice to make. 

You have made your choice so don’t act like it is a problem then. However, if countries think that a low median age means prosperity then what is wrong in them encouraging population growth. You yourself are a beneficiary in of these prosperous societies. They are giving you a chance to work on your dreams. It is a result of someone else’s sacrifice.

[narsy]

1 minute ago, PilliBeta said:

I am trying to correlate the performance of a country to it's median age. It explains a lot of things, beginning from scientific discoveries, technological advancements to even response to coronavirus. If you mess with the natural flow of population increase like China did, there are adverse effects like 4-2-1 problem. Immigration influences the median age as well. 

But is there a thing called 'natural flow of population'? has it ever been quantified?

I only know of replacement level female fertility, which is put at 1.7

but US has been the magnet for immigrants for close to 3 decades now. It receivers overwhelming percentage of migrants around the world.. like almost half of them.

and its fertility rate has been higher than countries like japan forever.

I think its the economy, and the drive of the people to keep feeding it. In US, immigration is popular because immigration is a huge net positive to their economy.

everything else seems secondary

[narsy]

Just now, DummyVariable said:

You have made you a choice so don’t act like it is a problem then. However, if countries think that a low median age means prosperity then what is wrong in them encouraging population growth. You yourself are a beneficiary in of these prosperous societies. They are giving you a chance to work on your dreams. It is a result of someone else’s sacrifice.

encouraging population growth? how do you think it should happen? govts offer to raise their children?

because people who chose to have children are literally among the dumbest people in a society. thankfully the kids turn out well sometimes.

[narsy]

holy fcuk. replacement level fertility is 2.1 haha

Even the US below it, but still the point stands.

countries don't allow immigration to compensate for lack of people around to hug them, but its a purely political choice between settling for a laggard economy, and a vibrant one.

US is the only country that consistently makes the brave choice, that is, until Trump.

[narsy]

11 minutes ago, DummyVariable said:

You have made you a choice so don’t act like it is a problem then. However, if countries think that a low median age means prosperity then what is wrong in them encouraging population growth. You yourself are a beneficiary in of these prosperous societies. They are giving you a chance to work on your dreams. It is a result of someone else’s sacrifice.

its funny how you term giving birth to a child as sacrifice. yes it is. and more women/men should stop doing it. or do it more moderately.

[narsy]

25 minutes ago, PilliBeta said:

You have unlimited sperm to impregnate as many eggs as possible, but there are only so many eggs that can be fertilized. If half of the world population should be blamed for this, then it's better to outsource reproduction and do this business in vitro. But telling someone to have kids for the future of the nation is like telling someone to stop using plastic to save turtles. Given the choice between my freedom and the future of mankind, it's not a hard choice to make. 

haha.. that guy is just silly.

you rule.