India's greatest epic movie director??

[telugu_fan]

22 hours ago, Raven_Rayes said:

sure only because of bahubali maniratnam made PS1. he himself said it many times, and it is true.

but on scale, PS1 is nothing compared to bahubali's budget. and it was ofcourse made to cater purely for the Tamil audience. That's why they didn't spend 500cr on it.

they could've if they wanted to.. there's enough meat in the story to last 5 parts, but they made a movie without catering to north indian sensibilities and Hindutva imagery. If TamilNadu govt had given permission to shoot in TN temples, it would've looked more chola era than it did with all those central Indian architecture in the movie.

Tamil people didn't 'own' the movie to take some pride out of it. Young Tamils mostly hated the movie, and are trolling it relentlessly. Its the oldies who read the book that turned up in droves to watch the movie.

you haven't heard the hate that is being poured on that movie in Tamil circles I guess. especially from progressive types.

I don't know under what context Maniratnam made that comment about Bahubali leading him to make PS1, was it in the context of grand sets, multi-starrer or big sets or making money, something would have led him to make this film.

I haven't et watched PS-1 yet, will make some time during a weekend, but the movie having less expensive could be due to lot of reasons - maybe renumeration of lead actors itself is less maybe or the movie is more drama than expensive battle scenes or any other big sets issue.

PS-1 made bucket loads of money, which means that a lot of people did go and see the movie and all of it woouldn't have been on oldies who read the novel only. People wanted to see something about the movie - maybe you can shed more light on what it could be- a reason why people saw the film PS-1 and liked about it. People will troll blockbuster movies only not movies that flopped on first day. bahubali has been spoofed in serials to movies after its release. so that is also expected.

I don't put much faith in so called progressives who will only be satisfied if regular tropes are shown - a downtrodden being uplifted by atheists or some from minority being shown in some light or some such would be my guess. their crying is of no use.

[Raven_Rayes]

18 hours ago, RedThupaki said:

sambaaarrrr landd directorrr shankarrr edho sambaaar novell ni directt cheyybothunattu antunaaaruu...nijamenaa siruuu

 

 

yeah. and its guaranteed to surpass bahubali. just wait and watch.

the story is available for free on youtube if you want you can have a listen to it. I read the whole book in tamil.

Its like an actiony avatar on steroids. If Shankar gets this movie right, bahubali's records will be yesterday's news.

[Raven_Rayes]

Just now, telugu_fan said:

I don't know under what context Maniratnam made that comment about Bahubali leading him to make PS1, was it in the context of grand sets, multi-starrer or big sets or making money, something would have led him to make this film.

Making a movie into 2 parts. He previously tried very hard to shrink PS into a single movie. Maniratnam is not a risktaker or a pioneer in commercial aspects of the movie business. He plays it safe.. even 200cr budget is unthinkable for him coz he knows his can't sell enough tickets to make that up.

so he was happy that people do receive 2 part movies and he can split PS and make a profit from the venture. He struck gold and made multiple times than what he thought he would.

3 minutes ago, telugu_fan said:

PS-1 made bucket loads of money, which means that a lot of people did go and see the movie and all of it woouldn't have been on oldies who read the novel only. People wanted to see something about the movie - maybe you can shed more light on what it could be- a reason why people saw the film PS-1 and liked about it. People will troll blockbuster movies only not movies that flopped on first day. bahubali has been spoofed in serials to movies after its release. so that is also expected.

I saw PS1 coz i love maniratnam, and would watch any crap he makes. most oldies watched it coz they grew up with the story, and have consumed it in many forms - street drama, novel, comic series, tv serial etc.. but the movie version was missing.. Maniratnam filled that gap.

so almost everyone who came to watch PS1 (45yrs+) came to watch a story that they know off the back of their hand. I know it too ofcourse. But I expected something better.. They didn't. so they liked that mani didn't mess with the original source at all.

[telugu_fan]

22 hours ago, Raven_Rayes said:

then what's the point of all that celebrity status as a director for Rajamouli? so does it mean that he can only make movies with top stars and no one else, pump up movie budgets to astronomical levels and skimp on good production values?

I mean, Maniratnam precisely uses his star status as director to keep the budget low and make the kind of films he wants to.

what is Rajamouli doing making films with 500cr+ budget, where women dress like they've come for some fancy dress competition. He could easily ease his well earned power to control movie budgets, and give viewers a better visual experience

instead of vieweres having to suffer the lame writing of vijayendra prasad, repetitive bs of keervani, and costumes of rama. He has to carry all these laggards along on his shoulders.

 

It looks like you don't know what Rajamouli does in his movies then? I am saying this as people know what to expect when going to some directors movies. You won't find RGV films dealing with human emotions and drama, you won't find Karan Johars movies dealing with underworld predominantly. Going to each of these movies and finding it not upto the individual expectations is a waste, isn't it?

Rajamouli's focus isn't just about making a film ( a few directors do say this I don't care about returns i am making this film purely out of love and something as such). Rajamouli is very careful about retunrs to the producer as he is of the firm belief that if producer survives then film industr also survives else the Film industry will die eventually. This is what he implied in an interview.

Rajamouli made movies with big heroes and virtually lesser stars if you will. Examples would be Sunil's "maryada ramanna" and Nani's Eega when nani wasn't that big of a star yet. His movies budget will also change with respect to the movie. Not all of his movies will be 500 crores or so. As he again said in the interview the budget of the film is decided and then they go about achieving the film within that budget and his renumeration changes as per the film budget.

I seriouly doubt Maniratnam "status" as a star director that kept cost low for PS-1, rather it was his way of directing the film and production assistants and screen play and scriptwriting that would have helped.

Bahubali had sets scenes, costumes that were designed and sabu cyril was also roped in. You could say it was more of an experiment to see (atleast for non movie people perspective) if a local language movie made with a big budget can get the returns which led to the first movie ending with "why Kattappa killed bahubali" purely as a way to bring poeple back to the theatres. As i said costs go up for a variety of reasons, not just actors and directors. VFX cost a ton for that movie so here we are.

Maybe in a few years it might be cheaper to get a movie in vfx than putting up big and expensive sets for films like these. but untill then people need to prod on.

[Raven_Rayes]

12 minutes ago, telugu_fan said:

PS-1 made bucket loads of money, which means that a lot of people did go and see the movie and all of it woouldn't have been on oldies who read the novel only. People wanted to see something about the movie - maybe you can shed more light on what it could be- a reason why people saw the film PS-1 and liked about it. People will troll blockbuster movies only not movies that flopped on first day. bahubali has been spoofed in serials to movies after its release. so that is also expected.

I was just responding to your comment about Tamil pride or something. That's not why people saw this movie in huge numbers, multiple times. They saw it because they liked what maniratnam made.

it may be incomprehensible to non-tamils, but its not tamil people battening down the hatches and supporting 'their' chola film. Not at all.

for a month, all social interactions random people get asked the question if you saw PS1 and liked it.

plus the ticket was strictly less than 200rs. from the first day (on majority locations).. maniratnam didn't want any surge pricing.

[Raven_Rayes]

9 minutes ago, telugu_fan said:

It looks like you don't know what Rajamouli does in his movies then? I am saying this as people know what to expect when going to some directors movies. You won't find RGV films dealing with human emotions and drama, you won't find Karan Johars movies dealing with underworld predominantly. Going to each of these movies and finding it not upto the individual expectations is a waste, isn't it?

Rajamouli's focus isn't just about making a film ( a few directors do say this I don't care about returns i am making this film purely out of love and something as such). Rajamouli is very careful about retunrs to the producer as he is of the firm belief that if producer survives then film industr also survives else the Film industry will die eventually. This is what he implied in an interview.

Rajamouli made movies with big heroes and virtually lesser stars if you will. Examples would be Sunil's "maryada ramanna" and Nani's Eega when nani wasn't that big of a star yet. His movies budget will also change with respect to the movie. Not all of his movies will be 500 crores or so. As he again said in the interview the budget of the film is decided and then they go about achieving the film within that budget and his renumeration changes as per the film budget.

I seriouly doubt Maniratnam "status" as a star director that kept cost low for PS-1, rather it was his way of directing the film and production assistants and screen play and scriptwriting that would have helped.

Bahubali had sets scenes, costumes that were designed and sabu cyril was also roped in. You could say it was more of an experiment to see (atleast for non movie people perspective) if a local language movie made with a big budget can get the returns which led to the first movie ending with "why Kattappa killed bahubali" purely as a way to bring poeple back to the theatres. As i said costs go up for a variety of reasons, not just actors and directors. VFX cost a ton for that movie so here we are.

Maybe in a few years it might be cheaper to get a movie in vfx than putting up big and expensive sets for films like these. but untill then people need to prod on.

okay. you're saying most of the money is spent on the production for Rajamouli, than remuneration. If you say so. I'm not going to challenge that.

Its not about my individual preference that finds Rama Rajamouli's costumes distasteful. They are objectively uninspiring. spending a bomb on production and not being able to hire a decent costume designer is sad.

 

[Raven_Rayes]

12 minutes ago, telugu_fan said:

Rajamouli's focus isn't just about making a film ( a few directors do say this I don't care about returns i am making this film purely out of love and something as such). Rajamouli is very careful about retunrs to the producer as he is of the firm belief that if producer survives then film industr also survives else the Film industry will die eventually. This is what he implied in an interview.

for the money Rajamouli spends, his movies are not visually grand. They have bland colors, uninspiring sets (RRR looks like an improvement, bahubali was atrocious)..  and it has nothing to do cinematography which is competent.

It has to do rajamouli's vision itself, his aesthetic choices. You can say people still love his movies.. yeah, they do. they don't have a choice. If somebody came along and did better, rajamouli would be forced to keep up, or be dust.

rajamouli movies give me the feeling that every little look is micromanaged, and staged.. and still everything looks bland. Its neithe Sanjay Leela bhansali kinda awesome, or Yuganiki Okkadu kinda intense rugged. Most of the intensity in Rajamouli comes from his careful staging of slo mo shots, again with bland sets.

he scores because inspite of all this, he can keep the audience interest in a few scenes.

[Raven_Rayes]

epic movies don't become epic because of some creatively shot action sequences.

they become epic coz the driving force for the movie is something much beyond one person or a group. Like in Jurassic Park - attempt to create life. Yuganiki Okkadu - searching for lost Cholas. Aditya 369 (lame epic movie but still) - what happens when we skip timelines etc.

Rajamouli movies lack this main ingredient to become great epic movies. There's no mystery that is arresting (why kattappa killed bahubali is lame, and if it was clever its not epic enough).

yeah they still make a lot of money. and he gives what his audience want.

thats why we are having this thread 'who the greatest epic director is?'.. otherwise I would've declared rajamouli as the greatest by a long shot. His movies lack the pull.

[telugu_fan]

47 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

for the money Rajamouli spends, his movies are not visually grand. They have bland colors, uninspiring sets (RRR looks like an improvement, bahubali was atrocious)..  and it has nothing to do cinematography which is competent.

It has to do rajamouli's vision itself, his aesthetic choices. You can say people still love his movies.. yeah, they do. they don't have a choice. If somebody came along and did better, rajamouli would be forced to keep up, or be dust.

rajamouli movies dgive me the feeling that every little look is micromanaged, and staged.. and still everything looks bland. Its neithe Sanjay Leela bhansali kinda awesome, or Yuganiki Okkadu kinda intense rugged. Most of the intensity in Rajamouli comes from his careful staging of slo mo shots, again with bland sets.

he scores because inspite of all this, he can keep the audience interest in a few scenes.

You hit the nail on the head there. Infact rajamouli in an interview said that these two directors actually made him feel that they can send him packing from the industry, those two people - Trivikram Srinivas and Sukumar, these comments were made even before both became a real big directors - (they were on their way up). Even these two are not epic kind of directors one can really write a good set of dialogues for a situation the other can create a wtf logic from time to time in his movies.

rajamouli is know for doing many takes and retakes untill he gets what he is looking for, so he could be shooting the same scene multiple times untill he is satisfied by it. there is an anecdotal evidence of the same given by actor Rajiv Kanakala, who also will be in most of rajamouli films - though wasn't there in bahubali about how rajamouli shot from morning till night a small scene that raji felt would be done in an hour or two at the max.

There aren't any directors who have done with consistency decent direction that would make you feel either way about them (they too have hits, but most of the movies are the usual hero elevation), so rajamouli it is along with a select few in telugu industry for now.

[Tyrannosauraus_Rex]

Currently it has to be Rajamouli. 

Bahubali obviously broke the mould - most people were expecting a Hindi language movie to make the kind of cinema and make the kind of money the Bahubali movies made. The fact that it was a regional language Telugu movie which made over 2,000 crores obviously made people wake up and take notice.

On top of that to follow up with RRR cemented his position as the biggest Indian director currently.

And on screen - his movies do look epic and grand. 

 

[RedThupaki]

3 hours ago, Raven_Rayes said:

yeah. and its guaranteed to surpass bahubali. just wait and watch.

the story is available for free on youtube if you want you can have a listen to it. I read the whole book in tamil.

Its like an actiony avatar on steroids. If Shankar gets this movie right, bahubali's records will be yesterday's news.

jaiii sambaaaaaaarrrrr.....rombhaa nandrii sirr vaadeeyyyy

[Raven_Rayes]

5 minutes ago, RedThupaki said:

jaiii sambaaaaaaarrrrr.....rombhaa nandrii sirr vaadeeyyyy

adhey cinema ni rajamouli teesinte inka bumper ayyedhi.. rajamouli miss chesadu. shankar got the rights.

 

[RedThupaki]

Just now, Raven_Rayes said:

adhey cinema ni rajamouli teesinte inka bumper ayyedhi.. rajamouli miss chesadu. shankar got the rights.

teluguuu vaarikki em vachu andii...em cheyaalli annaa...maa sambbaaarrr thammillaaa thmabiss tharavtha neyyy....take it easyy

[Raven_Rayes]

Just now, RedThupaki said:

teluguuu vaarikki em vachu andii...em cheyaalli annaa...maa sambbaaarrr thammillaaa thmabiss tharavtha neyyy....take it easyy

telugu tamil ani chillara comparison nenu cheyyaledhu.. nuvvey chestunnav. naaku sambandam ledhu

 

[RedThupaki]

1 minute ago, Raven_Rayes said:

telugu tamil ani chillara comparison nenu cheyyaledhu.. nuvvey chestunnav. naaku sambandam ledhu

 

andukeyy naaa...raajamoulli meedha antha edupuuu comparing to manisrathnamm and others of sambaaar laaandd...its ok..chilllara comparisonss antey inkaa meerey cheppaali...

anywayss...im not a movie bufff....for satisfying your egoo...sammabaar moviess are great...ok chill now