Raven_Rayes Posted December 19, 2023 Report Posted December 19, 2023 9 hours ago, venkappa said: Any other incidents about MGR criminal minded nature affecting janalu. How did he pull back TN? I thought he was already rich so he was not seen as corrupt like Karunanidhi family? ram janma bhoomi movement ki signature campaign TamilNadu lo chesina ghanatha Jayalalitha dhi. her party workers sent bricks for the temple in early 90s. Quote
venkappa Posted December 19, 2023 Report Posted December 19, 2023 2 hours ago, Raven_Rayes said: by diluting dravidian agenda and sucking up to the central govt to keep his power. he ran a one man show according to his whims and fancies and never held a cabinet meeting. He simply rode on the back of his popularity as an actor, and on his welfare schemes, which didn't even materialize because poverty in TN remained unchanged during his rule. he sat on several water projects in a state that is generally water starved, until NTR generously offered Telugu ganga project to madras, and even in that he wasn't interested in seeing it to fruition. the guy is more interested in building up his image than doing anything concrete. and he was extremely corrupt, just that media was not allowed to write about his corruption. Jigarthanda is the first movie I saw that had a character based on MGR, which showed him as a villain. And Karunanidhi as slightly just a little bit heroic.. which is nice. MGR is a name, along with Jayalalitha, that should be viewed as tyrant by the Tamil people. compared to MGR, Karunanidhi is an angel. a scholar. a true politician. not a tyrant. Any other films that highlight MGR bad character and his misrule? Quote
venkappa Posted December 19, 2023 Report Posted December 19, 2023 39 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said: MGR was so intent on silencing media, that he even passed a law to stop screening of films and plays critical of the govt, even films that were certified by CBFC. thanneer, thanneer ani oka play ni dwamsam chesaru, that showed plight of rural poor wrt access to water and govts carelessness to their problems. taravatha it was made into a movie by balachander (who was quite popular), and then the mgr govt tried to get it banned.. and when it didnt work, they pressurized theatres against screening the movie. ee level repression of civil society TN lo jaragaley when DMK was in power. MGR was a monster. Jayalalitha another monster. You have listed extreme centralization of power, egotistical image buildup, control over media, interference with film industry, police oppression, and shoddy prohibition rules. Sounds like Jayalalitha followed his MGR way of functioning. Would you agree with this? Or was JJ a better/worse version of MGR? Quote
venkappa Posted December 19, 2023 Report Posted December 19, 2023 14 hours ago, Raven_Rayes said: ofcourse he was. He was trying to one up karunanidhi all the time, because he has no ideology of his own. his overtures towards LTTE prabhakaran for instance, is purely to piss off Karunanidhi who was already forming a coalition of srilankan tamil revolutionaries to present a cogent agenda on sl tamils to the government of India. MGR pulled TN back by a couple decades during his rule is the general consensus. He did immeasurable damage to TN. Why do Tamilans idolize him despite his total misrule? I have seen Tamil old folks, especially women, who were devout MGR worshippers. Quote
venkappa Posted December 19, 2023 Report Posted December 19, 2023 34 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said: ram janma bhoomi movement ki signature campaign TamilNadu lo chesina ghanatha Jayalalitha dhi. her party workers sent bricks for the temple in early 90s. Any Telugu leaders who functioned like MGR? Brothergoru perhaps? Quote
Raven_Rayes Posted December 19, 2023 Report Posted December 19, 2023 10 hours ago, venkappa said: Any other films that highlight MGR bad character and his misrule? sarpatta parambarai.. not directly though. It was MGR who criminalized boxing matches by imposing emergency (which karunanidhi refused to impose and was sacked hence), and pushed boxers into criminal activity in north madras. It actually happened. People from there (I'm from there, but not that old enough to have lived through it) remember it when they saw the movie. there has been no movie I can recall that portrayed MGR in a negative light. Tamils are not an open society unlike the telugus. now and then someone comes along and only makes passing reference to monsters among them. and Tamils have to feel happy that atleast someone did it. Quote
Raven_Rayes Posted December 19, 2023 Report Posted December 19, 2023 10 hours ago, venkappa said: Any Telugu leaders who functioned like MGR? Brothergoru perhaps? I don't think there's any parallel with MGR in telugu land. He didn't lose power until he died. which is the mark of an autocrat. Quote
Raven_Rayes Posted December 19, 2023 Report Posted December 19, 2023 10 hours ago, venkappa said: Why do Tamilans idolize him despite his total misrule? I have seen Tamil old folks, especially women, who were devout MGR worshippers. illiterate tamils idolize him. educated people don't. but no one will badmouth him. not even DMK, after having lost all elections against him when he was alive.. they decided to let the ghost of MGR go.. they won't criticize Jayalalitha too. in some respects DMK is full of such moral cowards. karunanidhi may be an exception, along with some of the old leaders in DMK. Quote
Raven_Rayes Posted December 19, 2023 Report Posted December 19, 2023 10 hours ago, venkappa said: You have listed extreme centralization of power, egotistical image buildup, control over media, interference with film industry, police oppression, and shoddy prohibition rules. Sounds like Jayalalitha followed his MGR way of functioning. Would you agree with this? Or was JJ a better/worse version of MGR? Jayalalitha was more combative towards the centre. She fought for some of DMK's ideas like 69% reservation and got it institutionalized, for which DMK respects her. she got better during her second term, but centralization of power, and abuse of authority are all trademarks of jayalalitha too. mainly she and mgr both were soft sanghis. Quote
venkappa Posted December 19, 2023 Report Posted December 19, 2023 4 hours ago, Raven_Rayes said: I don't think there's any parallel with MGR in telugu land. He didn't lose power until he died. which is the mark of an autocrat. He never lost election I think. Plus he never tried to piss of Delhi Congress. That’s probably how he stayed in power for so long. What about Razanna or Sandranna compared with MGR? Any parallels with him. Quote
venkappa Posted December 19, 2023 Report Posted December 19, 2023 4 hours ago, Raven_Rayes said: Jayalalitha was more combative towards the centre. She fought for some of DMK's ideas like 69% reservation and got it institutionalized, for which DMK respects her. she got better during her second term, but centralization of power, and abuse of authority are all trademarks of jayalalitha too. mainly she and mgr both were soft sanghis. Jayalalitha had huge ego that ruined relations with center. She was definitely Sanghi with some of her actions, just hidden under pseudo-Dravidianism. Quote
Raven_Rayes Posted December 20, 2023 Report Posted December 20, 2023 4 hours ago, venkappa said: He never lost election I think. Plus he never tried to piss of Delhi Congress. That’s probably how he stayed in power for so long. What about Razanna or Sandranna compared with MGR? Any parallels with him. Telugu people won't allow someone like mgr rule over them. Tamil people are more gullible Quote
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